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originally posted by: Arnie123
The Russian winter was their downfall.
originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: alldaylong
I was trying to say that unless the Germans thought they could kick Russia's ass that quick in a ground war type thingie. The Nazis weren't prepared to fight the long game, blitzkrieg wasn't working that time and the Russians were like wtf.
Thanks for correcting me too btw. sometimes I just get exicted.
originally posted by: bally001
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
That was a great watch. Thanks for sharing.
Kind regards,
Bally
And cheers Razor for the Vid.
originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
I'm not sure but I don't think that the Soviet People believed anyone would try a land invasion in the middle of winter, they were probably like WTF.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: BoneSay
Please tell me, the Soviet Union signed a non aggression pact with Germany. What else was part of that pact?
France and Britain declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland in September 1939. After the Phoney War from 1939 to 1940, within seven weeks, the Germans invaded and defeated France and forced the British off the continent. France formally surrendered to Germany.
The UK and France signed an agreement with Germany and delivered an entire country to Hitler so they would not be attacked
Stalin sent a group of people to talk to the UK and France governments, warning them about incoming war from Germany, they basically laugh them out the door and turned them away
Stalin went to Germany and talked to them and they signed an agreement (very much the same as the UK and France had signed before) to avoid war with Germany
It is not told (as you clearly don't know) that this previous agreement between UK and France with Germany happened
In your ignorance of those events, you can only keep repeating the Poland issue, because your knowledge of history is limited to this, and you will not read about anything else even if the facts prove you wrong
Hitler betrayed the UK and France, then empowered thought they could also betray Russia, they lost the war
The US entered the war way later after these events, they claim they won the world single handedly, they removed Russia from the record
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: BoneSay
Sigh!
The UK and France signed an agreement with Germany and delivered an entire country to Hitler so they would not be attacked
Did I ever say that was right? But let me tell you. Did that agreement involve UK and France being able to attack and take over European countries? No, it did not.
The non-aggression pact signed by the Soviet Union and had a secret protocol, and that was to divide territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland into German and Soviet Union.
Germany and the Soviet Union started that pact by invading Poland together and Russia trying to invade Finland. And let's not forget the Soviet annexation of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and also parts of Romania
So, the fact is, if Germany did not invade the Soviet Union, then war would have been declared on them too by the Allies.
Stalin sent a group of people to talk to the UK and France governments, warning them about incoming war from Germany, they basically laugh them out the door and turned them away
So he decided to join them instead and carve up Europe.
Stalin went to Germany and talked to them and they signed an agreement (very much the same as the UK and France had signed before) to avoid war with Germany
It was different, as I stated above.
It is not told (as you clearly don't know) that this previous agreement between UK and France with Germany happened
Sigh!
In your ignorance of those events, you can only keep repeating the Poland issue, because your knowledge of history is limited to this, and you will not read about anything else even if the facts prove you wrong
Your arragonce here is quite unbelievable.
Hitler betrayed the UK and France, then empowered thought they could also betray Russia, they lost the war
How did he betray the UK? They both declared war on Germany after the invasion of Poland. Hitler never wanted to invade the UK, hence the reason he gave then many oppurtunities to keep out of the war.
The US entered the war way later after these events, they claim they won the world single handedly, they removed Russia from the record
Firstly, I am not American, and secondly, America did not win the war. It was all the Allies that played their part, and that includes the Soviet Union, who played a huge part in winning that war.
But my point is, how they entered the war, which began as an ally of Germany, but then changed when Germany invaded them.
Then you should look into how the UK, France and the US "really" entered the war, and not what you believe so far
Because you will find some embarrassing things as well. It's up to you to learn the truth, or not, it's out there if you really want to know, because clearly you don't know about it from your own words
Just a heads up, the UK and France went to Germany as allies first, then there was a meeting with the USSR where the UK and France refused to stop being allies with Germany, then eventually Germany went against them, then once it all happened, history as you know it starts.
The part that you believe is when things started is just what you were told, reality and your version of history are very different, but oh well...
I don't understand how you can't get this, it's history, it is documented and verified
The UK, France and even the US ignored Germany until they were affected, then they became "allies" and even accepted Russia's help once they knew they were done otherwise. You have a very twisted and ill version of history because it is convenient to whoever told you that, go read the treaties between the Uk and France way before the war, and go read about how the US still supported Germany even after the massive killing of jews was completely known around the world
Go learn for once
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: BoneSay
Then you should look into how the UK, France and the US "really" entered the war, and not what you believe so far
Because you will find some embarrassing things as well. It's up to you to learn the truth, or not, it's out there if you really want to know, because clearly you don't know about it from your own words
Just a heads up, the UK and France went to Germany as allies first, then there was a meeting with the USSR where the UK and France refused to stop being allies with Germany, then eventually Germany went against them, then once it all happened, history as you know it starts.
The part that you believe is when things started is just what you were told, reality and your version of history are very different, but oh well...
I don't understand how you can't get this, it's history, it is documented and verified
The UK, France and even the US ignored Germany until they were affected, then they became "allies" and even accepted Russia's help once they knew they were done otherwise. You have a very twisted and ill version of history because it is convenient to whoever told you that, go read the treaties between the Uk and France way before the war, and go read about how the US still supported Germany even after the massive killing of jews was completely known around the world
Go learn for once
What, did UK, France and the US invade other countries alongside Germany? Did these counties sign a pact to carve up Europe?
Sorry, I must or missed that.
Yes, they did actually, they delivered Czechoslovakia to Germany one/two years before WW2 started, in an agreement with Germany so that the UK/France would not be attacked if Germany decided to invade other countries.
You didn't miss it, you are ignoring my words in favor of your brainwashing, so let me do your work for you, because you are being lazy to no end
Here you go
en.wikipedia.org...
I can't understand why you just don't look it up and read for yourself, and i have to tell you something that is well known
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: BoneSay
Yes, they did actually, they delivered Czechoslovakia to Germany one/two years before WW2 started, in an agreement with Germany so that the UK/France would not be attacked if Germany decided to invade other countries.
I said did these countries invade these European countries? Did these countries agree to carve up and share Europe? No, they did not.
You are completly ignoring my points about Russia, which is getting annoying now.
You didn't miss it, you are ignoring my words in favor of your brainwashing, so let me do your work for you, because you are being lazy to no end
Here you go
en.wikipedia.org...
You seriously do not like being wrong don't you? Why don't you try and counter my arguments regarding Russia.
I can't understand why you just don't look it up and read for yourself, and i have to tell you something that is well known
What are you talking about. What I have written about Russia is historic fact. You have ignored all my points, and you just keep on bringing up Enland, France and America as a counter argument.
The core of my argument is the only reason Russia did not invade more countries, is because Germany attacked them, so they had no choice but be one allies.
That is the only reason.
All the other stuff you keep saying is just a bunch of excuses that make no sense in historical context
Also go read the actual documents from back then where it is documented the meetings between Russia and UK/France and they talk about a deal to prevent WW2 and Russia is rejected and told to not interfere in Germany/UK/France relationship
This document is out there but i won't link it to you because if you really care and want to know, you will find it. It is publicly available now and linked all over the web. Ball's on your side dude