US Coronavirus Death Rate 49X Higher Than Flu

a reply to: daskakik

That's the problem. The State Department of Health keeps changing it.

This might give you and idea.
www.readingeagle.com... e-5735f233e6f6.html

There are too many fishy things going on at once, and I think they are all related.


If the virus is as bad as they state, then it was surely produced, and they likely have had the vaccine for quite some time. It will come with a chip. Next they will sink the dollar, and replace it with a new world digital currency.


Have you seen how quickly Elon is launching his satellites? Have you seen the giant 5G towers going up during the night at elementary schools across the nation. Thats for tracking you and controlling your movements. There will be no work under the table for cash. All transactions will be taxed in real time, all over the world.

Step back from the picture and look at the whole package

a reply to: jjkenobi

The last image is based on daily cases. They don't stack. So each day, that amount of people are reported as infected for the first time. Next day - starts over.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Your link 404's

a reply to: jefwane

Heres the deal though..

The medical system in many places normally runs at 90%+ capacity. This is an issue that comes up every few years when a pandemic hits. This is the first pandemic, however, that has received this much media attention and completely (!!) different data gathering & granularity.

Most people never paid attention to anything that wasnt blasted on the news and social media (like Zika, Ebola), but now they are paying undivided attention without any historical context. And completely informed by the news, facebook, and twitter. Thats a real bad combo there.

Some good can come from all that though, even if I believe this is all manipulated for dark ends.

Being able to do something like rapidly deploy temporary hospitals, beds, etc. would be immensely helpful every few years. It serves as a buffer for the incredibly high normal average medical system capacity.

a reply to: JIMC5499

All that article says is that people are interpreting it differently and numbers are not matching up. It doesn't really say what the directive is or if all CV-19 positive deaths are being tallied as CV-19 deaths where it isn't the primary cause of death or even a contributing factor.

Also, worldometers shows that yesterday, have to hit the yesterday tab, 15 states recorded 0 CV-19 deaths. That kinda contradicts the idea that "every death is being counted as a CV-19 death to cash in on those federal bucks".

a reply to: StallionDuck

The hardcore Trump crowd won't believe a word of it.

It’s about a 1000x under reported as well which nullifies the 49x as deadly.

a reply to: andy06shake

The left already don’t care about people’s health. They showed that when they went out to protest when we flattened the curve. Blame your friends.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: andy06shake

The left already don’t care about people’s health. They showed that when they went out to protest when we flattened the curve. Blame your friends.

And you wonder why this site will be dead and gone in a month or so.
Even in a thread about pandemics hyper-partisan vomit posts such as this one are dominating . Burn baby burn.

Someday my friends you should stop theorizing about the virus.

I'm the frontline in my job (food plant), and it took only a one week shutdown to have 2 deads.

Nobody can tell me how deadly it is. But after a while, I concluded, that $h!t is unstoppable, quarantine or not.

I am first hand source.

When the immune system over reacts to the virus or another illness like pneumonia takes hold, it becomes covid-19. Remember, the vast majority of people who died from this virus died because they were old or they had another problem like COPD or Cancer which is not good in the first place, the added virus then depletes their immune system regulation and they get really bad. The majority of the sick elderly in nursing homes that died probably would have died because of the flu, but remember, this virus does not have symptoms in many of the young that are working in those homes, so it is the undetected passage of this disease that is what is so much of a problem, not the fact that the virus itself is that dangerous.

If I was eighty, living in a nursing home, I would rather spend the little time I had left, poor quality time, with my family and friends. I am not afraid of dying, I am afraid I will be an invalid sitting in a nursing home, I do not want to be an inconvenience on people when I get old. I will be happy to go to the senior center and talk with other people and have lunch or coffee, but during covid that was not possible.

Why are the young so worried about us older people? If we are in bad shape, eternal rest is a blessing. I would never want to cause so much damage to society by having the young losing everything so I could live in a nursing home with incontinence.

The deaths listed on the official tallies are not correct, just because you have the virus or diagnosis of possible covid 19 does not mean that the covid killed you. They were not even testing for the flu for people who came in for covid testing, so having the flu with covid all became covid deaths.

The whole thing is riddled with deception piled upon deception. The truth is, lots of old people died, people with a lousy future most times where death was a blessing. Doctors do compassionate things for these kinds of people, if the people or the kids say it is ok, they let them die so they do not have to suffer so much. If the lung damage is major, it is better to ease the future pain. I am all for that, I will try to make sure my kids know what I would like, but will have my kids or wife make the decision, I will not sign an advanced directive giving the doctor the right.

If I do get bad, I will have the daughters or wife have the doctor give me a flu vaccine, that will trigger a cytokine storm and I will die within three or four days probably, if I manage to get through the storm, maybe I am strong enough to get through that, maybe I will reconsider since the flu vaccine will definitely make me super sick if I am healthy.

They falsify medical research all the time, they design things to show results they want. Other sciences do the same thing, they design research to show what they want to show in many sciences.

originally posted by: Trueman
Someday my friends you should stop theorizing about the virus.

I'm the frontline in my job (food plant), and it took only a one week shutdown to have 2 deads.

Nobody can tell me how deadly it is. But after a while, I concluded, that $h!t is unstoppable, quarantine or not.

I am first hand source.

People are always at risk of dying from disease, one thing for sure, rebreathing the virus into your lungs because you wear a mask increases the rate of spread into lung cells, if a person is sick, they should go home and not wear a mask. They have known about this for a very long time, over twenty years for sure. It does the same for all viruses and even bacterial infections, it takes time to identify the virus and speeding up the infection by not exhaling as much virus lowers the time to prepare for fighting the infection. But, when out shopping, a person should wear a mask, just take it off after you get out of the store and make it a short a visit as possible to lower mask time.

Choke on a chicken bone: Died of Covid

Died of heart attack while skydiving on your 80th birthday: Covid!

One good thing about Covid-19 though, it has cured death for anything else. It even cured people from dying of old age!

a reply to: Bluntone22

Let's try this one.

www.weny.com...

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

To the best of my knowledge, my "friends" were not out protesting.

As to those who were, undoubtedly they will have put a dent in any decrees of the R rate in their areas.

I think ile blame Trump for his lies, entire treatment of the whole situation where dangerous pathogens are concerned ta very much, just as the majority of the blame lies at Boris's feet over this side of the pond.

a reply to: visitedbythem

Agreed.

All I see is it getting worse. Feels like this is a prelude to something big going off here soon. Hate to think what.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: StallionDuck

The hardcore Trump crowd won't believe a word of it.

Right or wrong, I don't think this is a time for politics to be dictating who needs to do what.

This is where a team of specialist in virology need to get together and discuss this and let the people know what really should be done. ALL politics should stay out but we know it wont. People generally will follow what their leaders tell them to do.

I'm a Trump supporter but I will use my own wits on this one.

I agree... It's either the economy or life. It just depends on what's more important. We have to get things done the safest way possible. I'm on board with that. Still, I see that people are just stupid against that cause it's political right BS like some people wont get out of their house because of political left BS.

I want answers but all I'm hearing is politics. One side blaming the other.


It's not all left and right. It's not all conservatives just like it's not all democrats. Either way... This is some real $#!& and people are just squabbling and squawking at each other.

So a couple of point here.

1. For a normal flu season there is no wide testing as it is all just statistical analyst using mathematical models to estimate the numbers of influenza illnesses.

2. About 9% of hospitals are part of the CDCs monitoring too, so for deaths and a part of their mathematical models they use them as the sample.

3. In the end it is just a big SWAG as compared to just a WAG...

Now we move on to COVID-19 that we all agree is more severe than the typical flu, but that is about where it ends.

1. They are not using mathematical models to estimate the numbers of influenza illnesses as they are using real time testing. In NYC sampling suggests 40% of the population there has already contracted it, and that alone would be 3+ million in one place while nation wide numbers are only at 2.36 million. If we used sampling and suggested 20% of the population has already got it then 122k deaths would be about .2% or double the flu.

2. Now we take that .2% and say OK a flu season is 60k so 2x should be 120k...Sounds about right, even with maybe the over exuberance of counting deaths that may be profitable to a hospital, and politically driven many times.

3. Now some will say but...but...but, we can see 150k or even 200k as the year progresses, and I agree, but we need to understand that normal flu models used are only active during the flu season even though the flu is also year round. If we continue to count after the flu season then we run into comparing apples to oranges.

a reply to: StallionDuck

And yet Trumps out holding rallies???!!!

That's pretty political is it not, even with the pisspoor attendance?

Your correct all the same as dangerous pathogens don't understand the notion of left and right in any way whatsoever.

The two-party system and all this voting for the lesser of two evils bullcrap may quite possibly be the end of the notion of the democratic process that the USA has come to love and represent, covid 19 or no covid 19.