Black-on-white violent crime much worse than I thought

a reply to: Scapegrace

What ever the MSM / the sheeple are baying about, the exact opposite is true.

All we have heard about is black lives are under attack when in fact the exact opposite is true in the US.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Scapegrace

Okay. Lots of number crunching here... BFD. I've seen the numbers before. So what's your point?

Are you literally just trying to say "Black people are racist"? Or that "Black people are MORE racist"? Is that your whole point?

Or are you trying to say "Black people are violent"? Or that "Black people are MORE violent"? Is that your whole point?

Or just that MORE Black people are violent and racist than White people per capita?

Are you suggesting that the entire Black demographic is violent and racist? Or MORE violent and racist?

Are you trying to say that it's okay for White people to be violent and racist BECAUSE Black people are violent and racist?

Are you trying to say that it's okay for cops to kill Black people in cold blood in broad daylight on a busy street corner because Black people are so violent and racist? Because by golly gee they're ALL violent and racist???

What's your point?

He's saying that the country is burning because white on black crime and statues are being removed because of white on black crime and everything "offensive" is being removed because of white on black crime, when in reality the black on white crime is far higher. Yet you never see white people out there burning down cities and tearing down statues because of it. I honestly don't know how you could have missed that.

a reply to: Scapegrace

Never mind, did the homework. Might help to look at table 15 as well. Not sure I'm seeing the disparity that's being pointed out here. It seems all races commit violent crimes at comparable rates given their population, and the rates at which the offender is a different race than the victim are also relatively proportionate. That being said, each race is significantly more likely to commit a violent act towards someone of the same race, at the same rate as other races. Please point out where I'm wrong, but the numbers clearly dont show what the OP is trying to say.... which is basically just a bunch of "whatabout" nonsense.

a reply to: Scapegrace

First, let me ask you: Why aren’t you disturbed by these statistics?

Because I'm disturbed by the criminality -- NOT THE RACE! A crime is a crime is a crime. It's not a crime because a Black person does it. It's not okay because a White person does it.

You say BFD, like it’s not important that blacks annually comprise more than 50 percent of all homicide arrestees, and 58 percent of all juvenile homicide arrestees.

Well, first, as already stated, what is important that a crime was committed against another person... race is NOT important, except to the extent that there is a particular reason for a certain demographic committing certain crimes. But there was no effort whatsoever to qualify anything. Just "ooh! Black!!!"

And, further, to be correct, 50% of all homicide arrestees, and 58 percent of all juvenile homicide arrestees, COMPRISE Black perps. OR blacks annually COMPOSE more than 50 percent of all homicide arrestees, and 58 percent of all juvenile homicide arrestees. The whole comprises the parts... the parts compose the whole.

You’re not helping black Americans by rationalizing these crime rates.

Please. As if the OP offered any help? HA!

The vast majority of Black crime is committed by the gangbangers of the inner cities. We're not talking about a majority of the Black population committing crimes... we're talking about a minority of Black gangbangers committing multiple crimes. Are you ready to address the institutionalized and systemic racism -- Jim Crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, etc. -- that created the inner cities and let them be overrun by gangs? Are you ready to address the criminal corruption of elected officials and law enforcement authorities that has ENABLED drug running to become the #1 industry in the inner cities? Are you ready to address the sources -- AND compromising adverse effects like autism and violence -- of lead-poisoning that pervades the inner cities, and creates broken people? Are you ready to address the very real possibility that mandatory vaccinations are causing autism (and further violence and damaged cognitive function) in Black boys under 3 years of age?

I'm ready to have that conversation whenever anyone else is. I'm ten paces ahead of you already. But no one wants to discuss the very real causes of this concentration of Black violence and criminality.

My main purpose was to show the disconnect from reality that’s driving the riots, protests, BLM, self-hatred among whites and calls to disband law enforcement agencies.

Police brutality and excessive force are driving the multi-racial protests AND the calls for disbanding POLICE (not all law enforcement). Political terrorism is driving the riots. Political ideology is driving BLM.

Are you familiar with Killology? Warrior style training? Tennessee vs Garner?

It’s getting crazier and crazier and could provoke a violent reaction from conservative whites if they’re pushed too far.

Yeah... yeah... second amendment remedies and all that. Let's just grab our guns instead of dealing with the roots of the problem. I am well aware that plenty of conservative White folk are quite happy to resort to their own violence for their own self-aggrandizement. Check out the cop-hating predominantly WHITE Boogaloo Boys sowing their own seeds of hate and harm, who want an armed revolution, blood running in the streets, and they don't care if their own grandmother is hurt in the process. They sure as hell don't care about YOU, much less your grandmother...

Yes, I’m saying there’s more racism among blacks than whites.

Well, aren't you the special one able to know the hearts and minds of so many people you don't even know...

But so what? It seems to me quite natural that the demographic most recently oppressed by another demographic would be more likely to feel and express the same right back. That's human nature. Cry about it all you want. There are no moral relatives here. If you have a problem with it, get to the root of the matter. Who started it? Who perpetuates it? Who escalates it? How? Where?

Any child can cry and complain and have a tantrum. Adults find answers and solutions. They don't just point fingers.

Almost all of the police incidents that became cause celebres began with blacks breaking the law and resisting arrest.

Every single solitary incident that became a "cause celebre" began and ended with political and media critters propagandizing and weaponizing certain incidents for maximum political leverage. Hence the reason we didn't see Tony Timpa or Danny Shaver plastered all over the media. It's not just Black people being killed by cops who kill first and ask questions later. You do realize YOU are also considered the SAME threat by these Killology cops??? To them, EVERYONE is a threat unless and until proven DEAD. First they came for the Jews...

Why are you letting them play YOU???

That seldom ends well for anyone, including the roughly 370 whites killed by cops in, I think, 2018. One stat I’ve seen on Statista showed more than 95 percent of the 235 (?) or so blacks killed by cops in 2018 were armed (armed with what I don’t know), and about 85 percent of whites killed were also armed.

Or so we're told... we also know that dirty cops keep "throwaway" guns to plant on/near the victim in such situations.

I’m not saying cops are always in the right.

And yet, you made no effort to call out the bad cops, or the brass and union/federation leaders that refuse ANY reform, and actively fight city officials trying to effect REASONABLE and RIGHTEOUS reforms.

But I also understand there are 700,000 sworn LEOs at the local, county and state levels. There’s bound to be a wide range of competence among them...

Well, that's a given now that many departments are actively recruiting and hiring low IQ individuals.

Quite a wide range in terms of training as well.

...and ability to deal with angry, combative people.

All of which should be part and parcel of effective and competent police training.

But more important, why are you making excuses for the ones with a government gun but not their targets??? You don't think people have to deal with stress every single day? Especially those living in poverty and hopelessness in the inner cities??? Do they get the excuse of, "Oh, well, I was having a bad day and when that cop looked at me funny, I just lost it and killed him in cold blood. But you understand, right?"

Of course not. Law enforcement must be held to a higher -- the HIGHEST -- standard.

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Scapegrace

What ever the MSM / the sheeple are baying about, the exact opposite is true.

All we have heard about is black lives are under attack when in fact the exact opposite is true in the US.

They say black lives have to matter before all lives can matter. That must be why the democrats push the whole black lives matter thing, because they already matter in the republican party. We don't have to cater to blacks or give them the upper hand, they're already geared with the desire to earn it like the rest of us. That must also be why they're in the republican party.

a reply to: LSU2018

He's saying that the country is burning because white on black crime and statues are being removed because of white on black crime and everything "offensive" is being removed because of white on black crime, when in reality the black on white crime is far higher. Yet you never see white people out there burning down cities and tearing down statues because of it. I honestly don't know how you could have missed that.

Actually, no, he/she did not say that. That is your interpretation (confirmation bias?) of what the OP said.

Nevertheless, my response is the same.

Are any of these crimes because they are committed by a certain race? No. Is every member of that demographic guilty of the same? No. Are people of other demographics innocent of the same? No. Is the problem inherent in one race only? No.

If there is a problem with a certain demographic committing certain crimes, the ONLY proper and effective response is to consider WHY it is a problem within that demographic and address the particular root causes accordingly. And that's NOT inherent to skin color. Period.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Scapegrace
Because the White population is the MAJORITY race in America, they will be the victim of violent crimes more often than individuals from other races. Bigger target.

True, but 8 times? I doubt the population difference is 8x.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

To add one small point to this, does anyone know the most successful ethnic group in the United States from a financial standpoint? Nigerian Americans. That's right, black African immigrants are the most successful ethnic group. Just ask yourself why that is, how they can overcome when others cannot.

It's a cultural thing for sure.

The issue is lack of fathers and a culture that has accepted and glorified street life / hustling.

The issues we see in the black community with crime are highly correlated with the War on Poverty in the 60s. Welfare programs kept fathers out of the home. This drove the out of wedlock birth rate in black community from around 24% to nearly 75% today. It is widely known that on average kids raised without fathers do worse on practically every metric. When you have three out of four black kids starting off disadvantaged from day 1, it isn't going to end pretty.

Another unintended consequence of liberal Democrat policies.

In large swaths of lower income black communities you literally have feral black teens who are being raised by the streets. Their own role models of hustlers.

One of those inconvenient truths...

originally posted by: Scapegrace

Good question. The Left never wants to talk about it, and I suspect must Leftists aren’t even aware of it.

You’d think that would be a huge news story, but no one in the MSM wants to touch it. It’s radioactive and will get you in deep, deep trouble with the thought police — even though it’s the truth. I used to think journalists were seekers of truth. What a joke!

Sadly, young blacks comprised 58 percent of all juveniles arrested for homicide and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2018. It’s all in the FBI UCR table 43B.

I have not been kind to many cops situations, many were wrong, bad, WTF moments, but we need to also understand as to why does it happen more in areas were the social construct of these areas are dysfunctional in so many ways. The main reason is cops in general mirror where they work. Cops in Watts are going to be much harder on the population there compared to many other places because the people that live there are hard on themselves, grow up hard and dysfunctional.

The big elephant in the room is with BLM when they totally ignore the black lives that die about 9000+ per year from other blacks and save their protest/riot for these cop cases that equal about 10 per year. A couple of days after Floyd's tragic death in one day around 20 people were killed and another 80 were seriously injured in Chicago alone.

This is what everyone needs to focus on the most...

originally posted by: Scapegrace

originally posted by: spacedoubt
Checking in to see if the op thinks skin color causes violent criminal behavior.
Seems like that’s what you are saying, is that right?

All other factors not considered, do you think blacks are predisposed to criminal activity?

Because that’s what you are saying here.
Have I misconstrued the point you are making?


Did you know there are more white people than black people the us? A lot more.

Also, I might have missed the white on white criminality stat.

I hadn’t thought about skin color as a causative factor, but I have to dismiss it after considering the possibility for about 10 seconds. Indian Americans are some of the least violent people in the nation. Many are quite dark, almost black in some cases. So skin color is out.

I don’t think blacks are predisposed to criminal activity because most blacks are law abiding, decent people. But without a doubt, blacks commit a hugely disproportional amount of violent crimes in America.

Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the 70 percent or more rate of illegitimate births among blacks. I believe the rate of illegitimate births among whites has risen to 30 percent, so my race has little to be proud of in that regard. It’s just one indicator among many of America’s cultural decline.

I also think there’s more glorification and acceptance of violence among lower-income, less-educated blacks, but that’s purely speculative.

I suspect you’ll blame the higher crime rates on racism. I hope you do, because I can prove the absurdity of that theory quite easily.

Yes, I was aware that whites outnumber blacks by five-to-one. I’m about to show that blacks commit a higher percentage of violent crimes than their percentage of the population. But first, some stats you requested on same-race violent crime.

There were about 2,225,000 white-on-white violent crimes in 2018, or about 62 percent of all violent crimes committed against whites.

There were about 396,000 black-on-black violent crimes, or about 70 percent of all violent crimes committed against blacks.

Now for a few eye-opening stats from the 2018 FBI UCR table 43 re: all arrests nationwide by race. Keep in mind that blacks comprise 12 to 13 percent of the population and non-Hispanic whites about 61 percent.

Homicide/nonnegligent manslaughter:
53.3 percent black
27.7 percent white

Rape:
28.6 percent black
46.6 percent white

Robbery:
54.1 percent black
24.3 percent white

Aggravated assault:
33.6 percent black
40 percent white

I appreciate your answering me.

I disagree with the term illegitimate, when describing births, or children. If it’s common to call another person illegitimacy in a culture. You could see where that would cause issues growing up, having self confidence, etc.

I’ll be answering the rest of your post in a bit.
Real life calls. But thank you for getting back with tour answer.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Scapegrace

Good question. The Left never wants to talk about it, and I suspect must Leftists aren’t even aware of it.

You’d think that would be a huge news story, but no one in the MSM wants to touch it. It’s radioactive and will get you in deep, deep trouble with the thought police — even though it’s the truth. I used to think journalists were seekers of truth. What a joke!

Sadly, young blacks comprised 58 percent of all juveniles arrested for homicide and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2018. It’s all in the FBI UCR table 43B.

I have not been kind to many cops situations, many were wrong, bad, WTF moments, but we need to also understand as to why does it happen more in areas were the social construct of these areas are dysfunctional in so many ways. The main reason is cops in general mirror where they work. Cops in Watts are going to be much harder on the population there compared to many other places because the people that live there are hard on themselves, grow up hard and dysfunctional.

The big elephant in the room is with BLM when they totally ignore the black lives that die about 9000+ per year from other blacks and save their protest/riot for these cop cases that equal about 10 per year. A couple of days after Floyd's tragic death in one day around 20 people were killed and another 80 were seriously injured in Chicago alone.

This is what everyone needs to focus on the most...

Chicago had 9 murders on FATHERS DAY. WTF? Gang members can't even take a Sunday off. The deaths included a three year old, a 13 year old girl, and two teenage boys. WTF?

Black Lives Matter my azz. The black community then wants to act surprised that cops treat us like animals.

Friggin Father's day... Sunday. Courtesy of the Wire, back when gangsters had rules. Never on No Sunday...

originally posted by: Edumakated

Chicago had 9 murders on FATHERS DAY. WTF? Gang members can't even take a Sunday off. The deaths included a three year old, a 13 year old girl, and two teenage boys. WTF?

Add in that typically about 8 times the death count are the seriously injured. The person paralyzed for life isn't part of any count.

originally posted by: bender151
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The numbers in this post are more than a little misleading. I'd suggest that if all races were victims at rates proportionate to their particular demographic, this is roughly about what it would look like. One would need more info to make an informed opinion, something the OP clearly isn't interested in. I guess I could take the time to do that homework, but I'm also not the one making the claim, so....

I don’t understand what you mean. I’ve broken down the percentages of arrests of both blacks and whites for certain crime categories. I’ve stated the percentage of the population comprised by both blacks and whites. If blacks are 13 percent of the population you’d think they would commit no more than 13 percent of the crimes in any category, right? But they commit a much greater percentage than 13 percent of homicides, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults. What is it that you don’t understand about these “misleading” numbers from the 2018 FBI UCR table 43?

If you’re talking about the interracial crimes, I still don’t understand you. You’re saying that because there are five times more whites than blacks they should be victimized by blacks more than vice versa? OK, maybe there’s something to that, although I wonder why Hispanics — 50 percent more numerous than blacks — committed only two-thirds as many violent crimes against whites. Explain that one to me.

Asians, who comprise 5.4 percent of the population, or a little over 17 million people, committed only 2.2 percent of the violent crimes against white people. So black people committed almost seven times as many violent crimes against whites as Asians did. But the number of Asians in this country is equal to more than 40 percent of the black American population. So there are roughly 2.5 times more blacks than Asians, yet they commit seven times more violent crimes against whites.

Was I misleading in any way? All the numbers I’ve used are from either the DOJ or the U.S. Census Bureau. I’ve already supplied the DOJ links I believe. Crunch the numbers yourself if you don’t believe me.

originally posted by: spacedoubt

I disagree with the term illegitimate, when describing births, or children. If it’s common to call another person illegitimacy in a culture. You could see where that would cause issues growing up, having self confidence, etc.

Do they say in school... All the illegitimate kids step forward...lol The word is only used in statistics to identify children born/grow up in dysfunctional situations, and when I say dysfunctional it is pretty damn bad...Bad enough for them to see a violent gang as a way out of their current situation.

originally posted by: Scapegrace

If you’re talking about the interracial crimes, I still don’t understand you. You’re saying that because there are five times more whites than blacks they should be victimized by blacks more than vice versa? OK, maybe there’s something to that, although I wonder why Hispanics — 50 percent more numerous than blacks — committed only two-thirds as many violent crimes against whites. Explain that one to me.

We can take it the other way in whites should be doing about 70% of crime committed against blacks if everything was equal and based on the general population.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

To add one small point to this, does anyone know the most successful ethnic group in the United States from a financial standpoint? Nigerian Americans. That's right, black African immigrants are the most successful ethnic group. Just ask yourself why that is, how they can overcome when others cannot.

It's a cultural thing for sure.

They have more graduate degrees per capita than any other race or ethnic group. Must be using white privilege.

originally posted by: Edumakated
One of those inconvenient truths...

I’m painfully aware that whites have big problems, too. Most of the many crimes committed by whites victimize other whites. More and more of our kids are born out of wedlock. We’re not reproducing fast enough. We’ve lost confidence in ourselves and respect for our own race and Western civilization. We’re fat, sloppy and much more prone to violence than our European cousins. Our boys are soft couch potatoes with easy access to pornography. Our families are increasingly dysfunctional.

I think the problems faced by both blacks and whites can be traced back to the counterculture movements of the 1960s. Through relentless effort in the news media, Hollywood, academia, politics, the judiciary and now social media, they have successfully undermined all the traditional values that hold any culture or nation together. Now they’re trying to destroy our very history, whether good or bad. We’re terrified of saying something that’ll offend someone. Afraid of our own shadows.

Originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I grew up in the era of MoTown music and the 70s image of blacks, but it seems something went wrong in the late 70s and early 80s about the time Hip Hop and then Rap music emerged in the black culture.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I think it's pretty obvious what changed around that time. The War on Drugs. It disproportionately targeted young, black, men.

If your government is enacting policies designed to put your people in cages what motivation do you have to play by their rules?

I had always thought of the war on drugs as a big joke back then, a cover for the CIA operations. But you have an interesting and valid point, one that makes sense now that you've stated that, thanks.

Also Edumakated makes additionally good points as well and can tie in with my observations and your statement.

Originally posted by: Edumakated
The issues we see in the black community with crime are highly correlated with the War on Poverty in the 60s. Welfare programs kept fathers out of the home. This drove the out of wedlock birth rate in black community from around 24% to nearly 75% today. It is widely known that on average kids raised without fathers do worse on practically every metric. When you have three out of four black kids starting off disadvantaged from day 1, it isn't going to end pretty. Another unintended consequence of liberal Democrat policies. In large swaths of lower income black communities you literally have feral black teens who are being raised by the streets. Their own role models of hustlers.