Thomas Jefferson statue toppled by protesters

a reply to: Gryphon66

I know

The people that love the statues so much lose absolutely nothing by them being in a museum.
That is not destruction and that is not erasing anything.

Under the guise of history. What a total joke

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: Gryphon66

I know

The people that love the statues so much lose absolutely nothing by them being in a museum.
That is not destruction and that is not erasing anything.

Under the guise of history. What a total joke

For me, one of the few things I think government should be interfering in is the protection of property.

Whatever people currently believe about these statues ... I do believe it's wrong to destroy them.

However, if the city/county/State/Federal government decides to remove them, that's what living in a representative democracy comes down to.

Not supportive of destruction of property.

I just want to know why a museum is a no go.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Jesus Christ. 1776 was the Declaration of Independence. Treaty of Paris was 1783. Ratifcation of the US Constitution was June 21 1788. "America" was what we called the place, not the name of the Country in 1761.

were you addressing, me if so my first line.

no you are, the U.S was not even a country in 1761, it was still part of the british empire until 1776.

and first line of the Declaration of Independence.

In Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

the founders called themselves the United States of America on July 4th 1776, seeing themsleves as separate from the british

a reply to: alldaylong

And the researcher said the figures where " estimates " if you read it.

no he said,

I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade

funny how you left that part out.

The U.S. 1860 census shows the slave population as around 4 million.

you do realize that all the slaves that came up to 1860 had children right? they were also slaves. so not all of those "around 4 million" were imported into the U.S. british traders.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: alldaylong

And the researcher said the figures where " estimates " if you read it.

no he said,

I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade

funny how you left that part out.

The U.S. 1860 census shows the slave population as around 4 million.

you do realize that all the slaves that came up to 1860 had children right? they were also slaves. so not all of those "around 4 million" were imported into the U.S. british traders.

You lost the whole plot here.

The U.S. had far more slaves ( millions more in fact ) after the British left.

Do you not realise this ? And yes they had children which where " born into slavery "

What are you actually trying to defend here ?

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Nope.

The Declaration had zero actual legal effect.

a reply to: Granby

Why do we need to put them in a museum?

originally posted by: Granby

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby

You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.

I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.

It wasn't
But other demographics are still having quite the time of it.
You know from all the years of indoctrination from other demographics.

Yes, yes, some demographics are forever victims because they never learned how not to be. Guess what? None of them were born then and none of the people who were alive then are alive now.

At what point do we move on? Oh, but it's fun to be the victim. Poor, poor, you ... nothing is ever your fault because over 100 years ago some demographics did some things to some other demographics ... I believe that is how Ilhan Omar talks about uncomfortable truths.

You all claima museum, what museum(s)?

Why museums?

Does it hurt you that badly too look at history?

Why not place all offensive books and paintings and films in a museum?

Just because something hurts your little sensitivities, that is not a reason to ban something.

What gives you or anyone the authority to demand that it be placed in a museum?

Are you going to then regulate the hours and days that a museum would stay open?

How authoritarian it is, for so many to determine WHAT should be placed out of the public view.

WHO in the HELL made anyone the authority to determine what can and cannot be seen?

Is this the new cry of the authoritarians?

"We'll place it in a museum for your safety and security".

PATHETIC!

a reply to: DBCowboy

All the same can be said in reverse.

And what the hell is wrong with a little compassion

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

All the same can be said in reverse.

And what the hell is wrong with a little compassion

Compassion is wonderful, when it's not mandated by the authoritarian state!

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Granby

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby

You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.

I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.

It wasn't
But other demographics are still having quite the time of it.
You know from all the years of indoctrination from other demographics.

Yes, yes, some demographics are forever victims because they never learned how not to be. Guess what? None of them were born then and none of the people who were alive then are alive now.

.

So why are you so hell bent on it being out in town?

History buffs
Ha

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

All the same can be said in reverse.

And what the hell is wrong with a little compassion

I'm just wondering when you're going to tell people when and what days they can read the bible because the bible offends some people.

Or will you just burn it and save people the time.

a reply to: DBCowboy

It's cool man.
You need your racist history front and center.

All good

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

It's cool man.
You need your racist history front and center.

All good

God damned right.

People need to be reminded that racism was accepted and that it was ugly.

But not to you book-burners.

Oh no.

Pathetic.

a reply to: DBCowboy

DC speaks for everyone!

Front and center


Keep spinning DC
I know whats up

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

DC speaks for everyone!

Front and center


Keep spinning DC
I know whats up

Keep supporting burning books.

*shrugs*

It's on you.

Kinda sad when I'm fighting for more freedom and you and others are fighting for less.

But hey!

Keep fighting for fewer freedoms and rights.

See how far that gets ya!

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

All the same can be said in reverse.

And what the hell is wrong with a little compassion

Oh children, today we were going to learn some history, but I am minded that some of it may make you feel bad. So ... moving right along to science ... Oh, no, that might make some of you feel bad ... Moving right along to math ... Oh, no, that might hurt your feelings too ...

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

DC speaks for everyone!

Front and center


Keep spinning DC
I know whats up

You can please some of the people some of time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.

So why do some people get to tear stuff down because *they* are upset, but no one listens to those who are upset because the stuff is torn down? I mean, if this is all about feelings.

Have some compassion!