Atlanta Police Chief resigns after Black Man shot

a reply to: Grimpachi

If the guy was pointing a taser at another officer could a cop then shoot the guy in defense of his fellow officer?


Does the cop then take out his taser and threaten the man to make it fair?

a reply to: Willtell

That is why I said if a taser is considered a deadly weapon there needs to be a discussion of the liberal, excessive use of tasers on citizens. If they are considered deadly then the police are putting citizens in life-threatening situations.

If a taser is considered a deadly weapon then shooting someone pointing one at you is OK. That is going to clog up the legal system for sure then. Especially all those cases where citizens have died from police use of them.

This issue isn't happening in a vacuum so whatever decisions are made will have far-reaching consequences.

a reply to: Grimpachi
If a man attempts to shoot me, a private citizen, in the state of Georgia, or here in Arizona, with a taser, I have the right to use any force up to and including deadly force to prevent that from happening. Shooting somebody with a taser outside the parameters of self defense is felony assault in all 50 states...and federally.
So are you suggesting that this officer shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else?
Because it sure sounds like that
Georgia self defense law... btw
law.justia.com...

a reply to: Arizonaguy

Officers are closer to sovereign citizens. They enjoy qualified immunity and unlike regular citizens are not held accountable for their actions. When they are investigated it is done by them.

As far the as same rights you do not seem to understand that officers are the ones to violate people's rights. They do not take that Oath to uphold the constitution as a point of pride or duty. It is to remind them that there are lines they should not cross. They often do cross it wiping their arse with the constitution.

Two things. If they believe a taser is a threat to life then they were the ones who first endangered his life and the other thing is he was running away. No, I do not believe they had the right to kill a man that was running away with a taser they were using on him.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Wow... first of all, officers that have used tasers have been accused and charged with using deadly force... Second, the main problem is Brooks using the taser at the officer would have caused the officer to drop his gun, and Brooks could then pick it up without the officer being able to respond in any way as he would have been writhing on the floor.

What's more, if you look again at the video the police officer changes his weapon from his right hand, he is right handed as you can see his holster is on his right hip, to his left hand and with his right hand the officer was trying to get something from his belt. The officer could have been trying to get his pepper spray out, but when he saw Brooks aim at him with the taser the officer opened fire with his left hand.

But of course, in Grimpachi and liberals/socialists world the police have to wait and see what the criminal intents to do... In Grimpachi's, and his comrades, socialist world the police can never defend themselves...

a reply to: Grimpachi

Reality hits socialists and anarchists like a brick...

Taser use can be considered deadly force, expert testifies at ATV trial

A judge told former Michigan State Police trooper Mark Bessner on Monday that people like him have caused “the distrust of police officers that plagues our community in Detroit, the state of Michigan and throughout the country.”

Then she sentenced Bessner to 5 to 15 years in prison for the death of 15-year-old Damon Grimes.

The Detroit teen was driving his ATVin August 2017 on the city’s east side when Bessner — a passenger in a moving patrol car — fired his Taser at the teen during a chase. Grimes slammed into the back of a parked truck and died soon after from his injuries.

Detroit Free Press May 13 2019

a reply to: Granby

In what world is it okay to attack police and steal their weapons to use against them? None. It is absolutely NOT okay. This is sending the message that police should not have any respect and that it's okay to attack them and steal their weapons and if they do anything it's racist. The dude should not have been resisting and brutally attacking the officers--it is baffling how anyone is shocked at this. This has *nothing* to do with his skin color because if a brown, white, yellow, red, purple, blue, whatever, person was doing the same thing, I'm positive the outcome would've been the same. This is really getting ridiculous.

~Sovereign

a reply to: Gryphon66


"you're the one praising the actions of a government official that just killed someone, not me."

Judging by your other posts, it sounds like you're praising the criminal who drove drunk, refused to be held accountable for his crime and be arrested, ran away, beat up two officers, stole their taser, try to shoot him with it while running away again before being shot--now people are setting things on fire and hollering. What was done was not "stupid and unnecessary" either, except on the part of the psychotic man who decided to partake in the above. Could the police have shot his leg? Sure. (You try doing that in the heat of the moment, running, thinking a possible gun is being aimed at you) Could they had taken a risk and assumed what he was pointing was not a gun but probably his own taser? Sure. (Read above) Could they have let him go and called it a night? Sure. Then when officers try to go about their day performing their *job* they will just permit Karen being pulled over for going 75 in 30 to get out of her car, slap them around a bit, pepper spray them, and leave the scene? The logic is outstanding. Evade arrest, beat up officers, steal their weapons, and the officers are the one in the wrong? Everyone wants respect but they don't want to give it. I urge you to take on the job of a LEO since I am confident you can do a better job.

~Sovereign

a reply to: SovereignEve

The job of law enforcement is to protect the public and uphold the rule-of-law.

Their obligation while doing this job is to use the least force necessary to accomplish those goals.

They are not to serve as judge, jury and executioner.

originally posted by: SovereignEve
a reply to: Granby

In what world is it okay to attack police and steal their weapons to use against them? None. It is absolutely NOT okay. This is sending the message that police should not have any respect and that it's okay to attack them and steal their weapons and if they do anything it's racist. The dude should not have been resisting and brutally attacking the officers--it is baffling how anyone is shocked at this. This has *nothing* to do with his skin color because if a brown, white, yellow, red, purple, blue, whatever, person was doing the same thing, I'm positive the outcome would've been the same. This is really getting ridiculous.

~Sovereign

I never said it was ok
It should not warrant death though

all these posts of he would have hit the officer then the officer would have lost muscle control and he would have taken his gun.

The dude was running away and there was another cop there. Argue the semantics if you want but tasers are non lethal in georgia.
Dude wasn't pointing a gun.

It is pretty clear to me that cops are quick to shoot. Quick to kill.
This is a problem.

And most of you are disgusting

a reply to: Granby

if you want but tasers are non lethal in georgia

again, less than lethal everywhere, according to the people that make them.

if your gonna insist that, non lethal in georgia. i ask that you show some documentation that makes that determination or that the Laws of Physics works differently in GA.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Granby

if you want but tasers are non lethal in georgia

again, less than lethal everywhere, according to the people that make them.

if your gonna insist that, non lethal in georgia. i ask that you so some documentation that determination or that the Laws of Physics works differently in GA.

Actually, I can speak to that both as a matter of opinion and as a matter of fact.

Standard Operating Procedures Atlanta Police Department

4.2.2 A CEW deployment is to prevent further escalation of a situation and to minimize injury to the officer, suspect, or a third party.

A CEW is a Conducting Energy Weapon commonly referred to as a Taser.

I'm a native Georgian and have lived here all my life within 50 miles of Atlanta. Tasers have always been referred to as "non-lethal." Yes, we all know that under certain conditions using a taser on someone could be fatal, but as you can see above the APD's own SOP Manual states clearly that it is a tool intended to minimize injury.

Furthermore:

APD.SOP.3010
Use of Force

2.1 The Atlanta Police Department recognizes and respects the value of human life and the right of people to be secure in their persons and property. Sworn employees, who in the performance of their duties, encounter situations where the use of force reasonably appears necessary to affect an arrest or detention, overcome resistance, control a subject, or protect themselves or others from injury or death will only use that force which is reasonable and necessary in order to accomplish lawful objectives.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

you're focused on arguing the terminology.

My point is the guy was running away and pointed a taser at 1 of 2 cops.

you do not deserve to die for that
you do not deserve to die for resisting arrest
you do not deserve to die for sleeping it off in a parking lot


shooting him in the back was his only option then?
nothing else could have been done?

a reply to: Gryphon66

will only use that force which is reasonable and necessary in order to accomplish lawful objectives.

Shooting him in the back was not reasonable and necessary.

Thanks for posting the articles

a reply to: Gryphon66


i didn't ask for use laws, i asked for proof of non lethal.
nothing says that they are non lethal in your quotes, just use of them.

Granby, continues to say that they are non lethal. without any proof.

the manufacturer of the devices say they are less than lethal. many experts say they are less than lethal.

a reply to: Granby

no i'm not. i'm saying that they can kill you even in the hands of trained people, in the hands of untrained people there is even a better chance.

therefore he is pointing/using a less than lethal weapon, which can and sometime does kill people at cops and use of deadly force is more than acceptable.

hell the manufacturers won't even test them on their employees, they use volunteers. that there should say something to you again.

a reply to: Granby

Tasers are less-lethal, chief. Taser has called them less-lethal since the early 00s.

This shoot is entirely justified. You strip an officer of his taser and try to hit him with it, you should expect to get popped.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Gryphon66


i didn't ask for use laws, i asked for proof of non lethal.
nothing says that they are non lethal in your quotes, just use of them.

Granby, continues to say that they are non lethal. without any proof.

the manufacturer of the devices say they are less than lethal. many experts say they are less than lethal.

I'm not fulfilling your request for evidence that the laws of physics work differently in Georgia. I'm informing you of the standards that the APD works under.

That document clearly states that a taser is used to minimize injury to individuals. While you can argue anything you wish, that is the statement of APD.