End American racism by ending labels

a reply to: FlukeSkywalker

Defining their group by a skin color and purposely trying to distance themselves from others who they define as a seperate group based on skin color, and you don't see the inherent racism at the root of this and think this is a positive thing? Even going so far as to muddy language to the point many communications can fail between both groups, or going so far as to define the other group as the enemy when the vast majority of that group wish them no harm and would prefere the stop the self segregation that's reversing the healing greats like Martin Luther King Jr started.

The blinders are insane...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: rickymouse
You got a thread like this and I have been complaining for years that they took the label off the back inside of the underwear. You have to turn the light on to put your shorts on now, you cannot feel that little writing in the dark. That is one of the biggest conspiracies I can think of, when I turn on the light it pisses off the wife who is still sleeping. Underwear companies are trying to break up marriages.

Oh, maybe this is not about underwear labels? But it is hard to get things on straight when you are RACING to get dressed when you have to go somewhere.

Don't yours have the little velcro tabs on each side?



Bwahahahahaha

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That depends.lol:

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

When Americans rally, as a nation... we have done spectacular things.

I think that is hard to dispute.

originally posted by: Groot
How about " Hi, I'm Kevin" or "Hi, I'm Sharon" ?

Just leave the other stuff out.

Let you figure out if I am an asshole or not.

But why do you need to have your own unique name? Are you trying to stand out from everyone else? Are you trying to be unique? WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE, YOU NAMIST?

a reply to: madmac5150

It is like traveling.

The more you are exposed to anything other than your pitifully narrow horizons the more empathetic of other beings you become. Even if it is dumb, scripted television (you see the boundaries of their conception of things like “African American” or the whole people overlooked in the race conversation, “Native American”.

If I was full on Native American I would become a Neo Nazi and kick everyone off my people’s god given land, that keeps being stolen from us (royal “us”!).

We are the Master Race of our own land and would have done better than any politician we have ever elected!!

Sorry for the change of focus on pronoun “we” but there is only “us”.

I tried to watch the “quarantine version” of that show but it was lost on me.

ETA: By ‘me’ I mean’us’!! LOL!! (A joke better than Parks and Rec with no reason to use it as an example point...

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

When Americans rally, as a nation... we have done spectacular things.

I think that is hard to dispute.

It did make us the most powerful nation in the world.

The Democrats through identity politics want to fix that, I guess.

Your OP has a good point and I just wanted to chime in because of my rather unique perspective.

If you live in America, pay taxes in America, own land in America...

At the end of the day we should all want America to succeed.

Because we as a country will either stand together or fall as one.

So if you are comfortable with just collapsing America and remaking it...

You are REALLY going to be on the wrong side of history and America will be a better place without you.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

If I was full on Native American I would become a Neo Nazi and kick everyone off my people’s god given land, that keeps being stolen from us (royal “us”!).

If you were full on NA then you would understand that you don't own the land.

You can't own something that isn't yours, after all.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

When Americans rally, as a nation... we have done spectacular things.

I think that is hard to dispute.

It did make us the most powerful nation in the world.

The Democrats through identity politics want to fix that, I guess.

Your OP has a good point and I just wanted to chime in because of my rather unique perspective.

If you live in America, pay taxes in America, own land in America...

At the end of the day we should all want America to succeed.

Because we as a country will either stand together or fall as one.

So if you are comfortable with just collapsing America and remaking it...

You are REALLY going to be on the wrong side of history and America will be a better place without you.

I served for over 20 years in the Air Force. I never saw racial tension on the flight-line. Race never mattered... ever. Getting the job done, was our only concern.

We all did the same crappy jobs, and paid the same crappy dues.

In the end, we all bleed the same color.

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

When Americans rally, as a nation... we have done spectacular things.

I think that is hard to dispute.

It did make us the most powerful nation in the world.

The Democrats through identity politics want to fix that, I guess.

Your OP has a good point and I just wanted to chime in because of my rather unique perspective.

If you live in America, pay taxes in America, own land in America...

At the end of the day we should all want America to succeed.

Because we as a country will either stand together or fall as one.

So if you are comfortable with just collapsing America and remaking it...

You are REALLY going to be on the wrong side of history and America will be a better place without you.

I served for over 20 years in the Air Force. I never saw racial tension on the flight-line. Race never mattered... ever. Getting the job done, was our only concern.

We all did the same crappy jobs, and paid the same crappy dues.

In the end, we all bleed the same color.

I am an Air Force Vet as well.

I never encountered any racial tension there... at all.

When I left, I encountered exactly two issues with my race.

One was a white guy that instantly hated me because he thought I was Hispanic.

The other time was a Hispanic guy who hated Native Americans.

There are always going to be some people who are not the brightest stars in the sky and have issues with life itself.

But that really isn't the norm in America.

So I wish people would stop playing identity politics for political power.

Because on the ground, the issue isn't there.

It's just hype.

Sounds too fair and too simple.
What's the catch?
I know the answer to that actually.
What does it mean to be American?
My suggestion is; swear allegiance to the Constitution.
Or leave for the socialist utopia of your choice on the taxpayer dime w/no right of return (this would save billions in the long run, trust me)

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Sounds too fair and too simple.
What's the catch?

Seriously...

Why can't we just be "Americans"?

Why? Is it that damned hard?

Sheesh.

Insisting that other people drop their labels is akin to telling them to quit cherishing something they value, that you don’t.

They think that the things that make me “ME” are just hobbies I have.

I’m a Christian first, and an American second. My people came here fleeing someplace that they loved, but which went down the tubes. So they dropped their nationality when it became incompatible with their immutable moral code. I would to, and would if it came to that.

I’ll tell you a secret, though,

All the underpinnings of American civic morality come from christianity. Locke argued for individual rights based on the concept of individual salvation/damnation in Christianity. Since the individual will be judged for his own acts, the fact that some king or potentate gave you orders couldn’t compel you to endanger your standing with the Deity. The concept of individual rights flows from the faith concept of individual responsibility at the Last Judgment.

Hobbes argued that it was the king who owed the people, and not the other way around; this flows out of Christ’s command that the first shall be last and the greatest must be the servant of all.

But the progressives view my faith as a personal hobby—something I should keep at home, that is allowed because it’s irrelevant to my interactions with my neighbors.

The the Supreme Court initially ruling that peyote couldn’t be a sacrament of the Native American church—they should just pick a different sacrament, a legal one this time. As if members of that church just needed a more mainstream hobby. (I thought the Supreme Court should have attended a sing, and shared some peyote before passing judgment...)

I would never ask a black to quit being black, or a Cherokee to quit being Cherokee, or a Muslim to drop their identity. Identity is WHO YOU ARE. And nobody has any business telling someone they aren’t free to be what they are.

With the understanding that while beer and pork sausage are not specific sacraments for me, they are cherished as much as I respect THEIR values even if I don’t share them.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: madmac5150

A noble idea!

Sadly, racism will never be gone because racism is a thought. It's an idea. A concept.

And in a free society, we can't ban or make thought illegal.

We'll just have to take the good with the bad.

It will get fixed if we become a country of Nationalists...

~gasp~

But seriously.

Be an American before your culture.

Identify as an American first, then follow your particular culture second.

I am an American first.

I am a Cherokee second.

If I can do that considering history, how hard can it be for others who came here later (ALL OF YOU) to do the same thing?

It isn't that hard to do.

When Americans rally, as a nation... we have done spectacular things.

I think that is hard to dispute.

It did make us the most powerful nation in the world.

The Democrats through identity politics want to fix that, I guess.

Your OP has a good point and I just wanted to chime in because of my rather unique perspective.

If you live in America, pay taxes in America, own land in America...

At the end of the day we should all want America to succeed.

Because we as a country will either stand together or fall as one.

So if you are comfortable with just collapsing America and remaking it...

You are REALLY going to be on the wrong side of history and America will be a better place without you.

I served for over 20 years in the Air Force. I never saw racial tension on the flight-line. Race never mattered... ever. Getting the job done, was our only concern.

We all did the same crappy jobs, and paid the same crappy dues.

In the end, we all bleed the same color.

I am an Air Force Vet as well.

I never encountered any racial tension there... at all.

When I left, I encountered exactly two issues with my race.

One was a white guy that instantly hated me because he thought I was Hispanic.

The other time was a Hispanic guy who hated Native Americans.

There are always going to be some people who are not the brightest stars in the sky and have issues with life itself.

But that really isn't the norm in America.

So I wish people would stop playing identity politics for political power.

Because on the ground, the issue isn't there.

It's just hype.

Thank you for your service, my friend. I sent you a PM, stating the same. Aim High, and all of that...

I hate to hear that ANY veteran, gets screwed with because of race or gender.

I also believe than any non-citizen that serves, should be fast-tracked for citizenship. If you are willing to die for this country... you are one of us.

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

If they are not in the union what do you call them?

originally posted by: madmac5150
I've watched all of this crap unfold... the riots, the political rhetoric... it all comes down, to labels.

The only way that racism will ever end, is if we quit labeling ourselves and we quit labeling each other.

1. No more hyphenated Americans. You are either an American, or you aren't. No more "African-American", "Asian-American", "Hispanic-American" or any of that other crap. If you are a citizen, then you are an American. Period.

2. No more questions of race, in any government paperwork. No more questions of race, period. Seriously, why should you have to claim your race when it comes to any picture ID? It literally has your picture on it.

3. No more separation of races, in any way, shape or form. ZERO identity politics. You are either an American, or you ain't.

4. Eliminate affirmative action, by eliminating race as a qualification for employment or education. Each, according to his/her own merit.

That is how we fix this mess.

We come together, as Americans. We treat each other, as Americans.

I agree with everything you are saying. It's very utopian but the question is how to we get THERE if people naturally gravitate to what they are taught from birth; what they see in the news or read in their books or what they are not told?

How do we realistically get there?

If we had to start from scratch from Day 1...and we can call Day 1 any arbitrary day in the future, what do we need to change emotionally, culturally, mentally in order to effect this change? It cannot just happen by osmosis so how do we capture everyone's attention in order to impact this change?

a reply to: madmac5150

You're right. I remember when I came to America and didn't understand all those terms.

My first wife was black and her family was surprised when they met me and even more confused when knew my Italian last name.

I live in a multicultural area where white people is the minority. Some of my neighbors where distant with me until they had chance to talk with me.

I'm in my 50s now and still don't know what color am I.

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

Maybe we are all one race but there are subspecies, when you cut away the flesh the bones don`t lie, we are different.

a reply to: madmac5150Why not think for yourself,too many like you rely on the governments to come up with solutions,try being an individual not a damn sheep,think for yourself once,it's great

a reply to: madmac5150

can we bring back the part where it's OK to be proud to be American? I'm not a fan of the current culture where you must be WOKE and HATE all things patriotic. Largely because POTUS hugged a flag.

Great OP. I firmly agree.