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So basically, think of Godel's incompleteness theorem. So long as our understanding is limited, we must rely on the axioms revealed by a higher authority of understanding. Those axioms will remain absolutes until an even higher plane of under of understanding is attained.
Atheists don't claim that God doesn't exist. That would be foolish. They claim that there is no evidence for God which is a different proposition altogether.
I don't speak for all atheists, that is true, but you say that atheism proposes that God doesn't exist and I made a point that that statement isn't quite as you propose
I'm not convinced either way but I do find that that a Godless reality seems more evident when I look around me at the world. I see no evidence at all for God but I don't discount the possibility and am open to any evidence that would support the proposition.
[2Co 6:7-8 NASB]  in the word of truth, in the power of God; by the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and the left,  by glory and dishonor, by evil report and good report; [regarded] as deceivers and yet true;
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: FinallyAwake
I don't find any of those people to particularly well versed in philosophy, though they are popular within the atheist community. I would recommend actually reading some philosophers over those people. Read David Hume, Bertrand Russel, Friedrich Nietzsche, and the like. David Hume is good if you like discussions with theist as theist most often find him to be one of the more consistent empiricist which is what most atheist who have no interest in philosophy are.
Cosmic Skeptic gets on my nerves a little, because he peddles a non-academic view of atheism to appease his followers. He is studying at oxford so he should know that atheism as a proposition is a metaphysical claim about the nature of reality as impersonal and lacking a foundation in the divine. So what you should be able to tell after reading this post is that atheism or the proposition that "god does not exists" is an ontological proposition. It's not a claim about what some individual knows or doesn't know or what they have confidence in, but most atheist when they label themselves as atheist they mean to tell you something about their lack of knowledge or belief, which is an epistemological claim.
On April 12, 1633, chief inquisitor Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola, appointed by Pope Urban VIII, begins the inquisition of physicist and astronomer Galileo Galilei. Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Standard practice demanded that the accused be imprisoned and secluded during the trial.
This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe.