Who really was George Floyd

a reply to: LSU2018

You’re welcome. For future reference, you have to look at the specific state definition of it, because not all states classify/define/word their statutes the same way. Minnesota is one of very few states that even have a third degree murder charge on the books, for example.

The defense is going to:

1) Prove Floyd was a threat. 6'6 guy under influence of drugs and history of criminality. Floyd not being a stand up guy most certainly will come into play imho.

2) Prove the restraint would not have killed a normal healthy person while pointing out that Floyd had some underlying health issues. I bet they will also show that the knee on neck/back is an approved move or procedure as well.

I suspect they are going to try to spin it as being a perfect storm and there was no intent. IT would be like if say someone was being unruly and the cop tazed them. The person dies of heart attack due to their health issues. Is the cop responsible for the death? The cop can't possibly diagnose or know that a suspect has certain underlying health issues and they are trained to restrain.

a reply to: Edumakated

They can try to prove that, anyway. Floyd stopped being a threat when he stopped moving, though.

And, for the 37th time in this thread, nobody has to prove diddly # about intent.

a reply to: Shamrock6

From the statute linked:

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: 727Sky

There's a lot of information coming out about this guy.

The media and the left have turned a pure thug into a martyr but that's kinda how they roll these days.

The irony is the left killed this guy. The Mayor was a leftist Democrat that promised change over 3 years ago when he was elected. The Mayor is the executive and the buck stops with him. Lets go further though, the Governor is a left wing Democrat as well. The left owns the murder, the racism and the riots that followed.

You can't do the math any other way where culpability is concerned. At least using left wing math and if we do that, the Mayor needs a serious beat down, accessory charges and maybe even his home burned down with him in it? (Thinking like a left winger)

Isn't it ironic? They always manage to some how connect this stuff to white supremacy and conservatives but yet in practically every case, Democrats run every level of government locally.

a reply to: Edumakated

Yes, that’s the statute I linked that explains why nobody has to prove intent. Thank you for reposting it.

The poor woman who was gang raped by “peaceful protestors” and found dead in a car later on the first night of demonstrations deserves more justice than this guy.

One of the many things brushed under the rug to make way for this low life’s coronation as saint.

Meth using violent criminal who once held a gun to a pregnant lady’s stomach. What an upstanding fellow. Definitely worth burning cities down for.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Edumakated

Yes, that’s the statute I linked that explains why nobody has to prove intent. Thank you for reposting it.

You do need to prove intent... you don't need to prove intent to murder, but you need to prove intent to cause bodily harm or in the commission of a crime. The defense will try to show there was no intent to injure Mr. Floyd, just restrain him and they will say he was doing his job, not committing a crime.

a reply to: Edumakated

From the link I provided that you quoted:

1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

Please quote the relevant portion that requires proof of intent? You can’t. Because intent isn’t an element. The commission of a felony or the attempted commission of a felony is the element. If intent was required to be proven it would be in the charge as an element of the charge.

Does anyone else find it strange that they they knew each other previously? An old grudge maybe?

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

Which makes it ok to murder him on the street. Uh-huh.

Why oh why is this the first stop after every OP that is anything short of cop bad/Floyd good point. You do know we can also have bad cop/bad Floyd too or maybe other combinations. Who knows maybe the cop was in on the counterfeit bill scam and wanted to take out Floyd for stealing some of the bills and using them locally that could have jeopardize the operation. Hopefully we will find out....


We also need to understand that like any safety accident investigation many times they talk about the Swiss cheese scenario in that most deaths there are a lot of poor decisions that line up like a bunch of holes in Swiss cheese that if anyone of them didn't happen then the holes would not line up and the death would have been avoided. In Floyd's case he made a ton of really bad decisions to even be on the ground in the first place, and I'm not saying that to justify anything the cop did, but for people to understand and all these cases it is not like the cop randomly picked someone doing nothing to end up as it did.

originally posted by: Ohanka
The poor woman who was gang raped by “peaceful protestors” and found dead in a car later on the first night of demonstrations deserves more justice than this guy.

One of the many things brushed under the rug to make way for this low life’s coronation as saint.

Meth using violent criminal who once held a gun to a pregnant lady’s stomach. What an upstanding fellow. Definitely worth burning cities down for.

When you look at all these cases, the person is almost always a dirt bag. They actually named a community center after Freddy Gray. A friggin crackhead / drug dealer.

It used to be black activist were more strategic about who they held up to fight injustice. For example, many people don't know that Rosa Parks was not the first case to fight bus segregration. It was actually a woman named Claudette Colvin. She refused to give up a seat before Rosa Parks.

The reason most people don't know about her is because the civil rights leaders at that time didn't want to use her case because she was 15 years old and pregnant. They wanted a more wholesome face for their movement.

a reply to: Xtrozero

There was a case in Atlanta last week that didn't get much attention on here, but did make some of the media. Two college students got jacked up by police during one of the protest. The entire incident is on video.

A guy and his girlfriend. The cops swarmed the car they were in, tazed them, broken windows, etc. The video is pretty bad as the girl is screaming, crying, etc. The cops were fired by the mayor.

I looked at the ENTIRE video. You know why they got jacked up? The boyfriend was in the car talking sh*t to the cops and then they tried to drive off when the cops attempted to arrest them. They couldn't drive away because of the traffic.

None of it would have taken place were it not for the bad choices of the students.

originally posted by: TDawg61
Does anyone else find it strange that they they knew each other previously? An old grudge maybe?

A criminal that moved from Houston to Minneapolis, that they could use as a pawn to toss off the mountainside and blame the police and Trump, and get riots and looting going when we're right around the corner from an election?

Yes, it does sound strange.

originally posted by: Edumakated

I looked at the ENTIRE video. You know why they got jacked up? The boyfriend was in the car talking sh*t to the cops and then they tried to drive off when the cops attempted to arrest them. They couldn't drive away because of the traffic.

None of it would have taken place were it not for the bad choices of the students.

I remember that one, but you never see the full scenario. Seems we are going down the path where people might work hard to instigate reaction from the police to just show the reaction and not why it happened in the first place just to create the bad cop narrative.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: 727Sky
Which makes it ok to murder him on the street. Uh-huh.

Please read the OP before commenting.

Nowhere does the OP even hint that as being the case.

a reply to: 727Sky

I'm curious. Help me out here.

What is the intention of your post?

Has anything written in it changed the fact that a man was held down on the floor by four police officers when he was not resisting arrest, one of whom was kneeling on his neck, all of whom ignored the plea's from him that he couldn't breath and all of whom are now arrested and charged with his murder?

Is the intention of your post to demonise the guy? If so, why?

Is the intention of your post to justify his murder? If so, why do you feel the need to do that?

Do you dig into the history of everyone who is murdered and chat # about them? If not, why is this different?

Is your post racially motivated?

And lastly,

Do you think that maybe, just maybe your post a shining beacon of why people are protesting and saying 'Black lives matter', because it comes across as victim blaming, and the only reason for doing that is some very ugly ulterior motive.