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Anarchy in America

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posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

It's rare that I agree with Arnie but I absolutely do on this point: stop the ludicrous exaggerations.

The US is not in a state of anarchy. This reads like media-based fake news sensationalism, honestly.


You might want to read my response above yours, lol




posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

LOL ... I did before I started typing.

What is to be gained by the rhetoric that "American is in flames" or "Anarchy Reigns Supreme in US Streets"?

What solution does that move us toward? Perhaps I missed something in your post.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: HalWesten

How the hell are you just gonna waltz up in here with facts and shut him down like that?


I'm just trying to be the bigger person and look at the information he's providing! I can't help it if it doesn't support his argument.




Oh wait ... never mind. You just couldn't resist the gang could you. Don't bother with the answer to my question, because you just answered.

You didn't shut anything down least of all my argument. The article clearly shows the tremendous differences (in terms of time, attitude and effectiveness) in Johnson's responses to the MLK assassination riots and Trump's boastful nonsense.

Of note, the mayor of Washington DC did ask for assisteance from the White House. Also, DC Is a Federal District not a State ... so of course it doesn't really compare to the current situaiton in terms of what authority Trump actually has.

You're obviously a Republican apologist, as you looked at the situation in the transition from Johnson to Nixon, knowing that Nixon ran with the Southern Strategy as outlined by Lee Atwater, and either fail to see or intentionally try to obscure the fact that "law and order" meant the same thing for Nixon as it means for Trump ... although, I have no doubt that Trump will bungle it: get Black Americans back under control.

Tell me, does the glad-handing actually encourage you? I gave you a bit more credit than that.



No you didn't, you're looking for anything you can use to say I'm something I'm not. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and actually learn something myself in the process. But since you seem to enjoy your arrogant, condescending attitude toward anyone that disagrees with you, you can [removed by me to avoid getting banned].

And to be honest, I wasn't looking to shut you down about anything. That was a comment by someone else that I thought was funny and not far off point since you took the stand that Nixon was all about "getting blacks under control". And that's not Trump's motivation either, which if you would look past the race blinders you'd see that over his lifetime he has done more to help and support blacks than you or I will ever do. That is fact, not debatable.

Another fact is visible from your writing style. When you've been called out and you're wrong about something, your writing gets angry. When you're not discussing politics or when you're discussing it with your other Lefties, your tone is much calmer. Have you noticed that? It's interesting.

So back on the Johnson/Nixon/Trump thing - I am still looking at it and listening to phone conversations from Johnson concerning the Detroit riots right now. Romney (George) did not want Johnson to send federal help, Johnson "bent the rules" to do so. Their styles are very different but the result is the same - federal help for states that can't handle the rioters.

My only reason for pointing out that the strategy that Nixon used to get elected was not his idea as you implied. Period. You compared that directly to Trump's statement and guess who actually used it properly? Trump.

Get real, would you? You're STILL trying to prove that Trump did something illegal or unconstitutional and it's just not there.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 03:03 PM
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I still find it interesting that many of these same officials who are encouraging these protests and supporting them are the same ones who were threatening to arrest people for opening places of business to support themselves and their families and permanently close houses of worship just weeks before. Oh, and arresting people for paddle boarding by themselves in the ocean ... playing ball with their kids in the park with no one else around ...

The new rule seems to be that COVID-19 is uniquely dangerous for the law abiding, but doesn't infect those who are engaging in rioting, looting, and pillaging.

Just like you can't catch it in a corporate big box store, but your mom and pop shop will transmit it to you every single time.
edit on 4-6-2020 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22




What we have are people pretending to care about a man that they don't give a damn about .


They are the one's not pretending. They don't care. They don't see what this should really be about. They can't fathom it getting better for them. Free stuff or Freedom. Most people will pick Free stuff every time.





We also have a public afraid to speak out against the "protesters" for fear of being labeled racist by the virtue signaling media.


What about the real protesters? The one's not looting? The one's who believe it can get better? We should never fail our fellow citizens when they want a just cause. I believe that George Floyd can be the cause to unite this Nation for the actual betterment of all it's citizens.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

You can call it condescending (which you seem very familiar with in your own posts) but that too is nothing more than an appeal to emotion.

I have no need to "label" you. Sounds like you may be projecting a bit. You seem fairly bright, I'm sure that trying to stomach a lot of the right-wing rhetoric probably results in some discomfort for you sometimes for sure. I don't need to label you because to me "you" are "words on a screen." I don't know you, don't pretend to know you. I respond to words.

We're within the realm of opinion, I imagine. You can express your opinion that it isn't well-known historically that Nixon's strategy in the South was to bend the Dixiecrats to the Republican party by promising that Blacks would be brought under contol and would stop getting the "special treatment" that some southerners felt they got under Johnson. (If you're not familar with what I'm talking about, Google Lee Atwater "Southern Strategy." Started with Goldwater, got Nixon elected, brought the Southern States to the Republican party under Reagan and since.)

I have emotions that I can portray in my writing? That's a phenomenal observation. No, I had no idea.

I find it fascinatiing that folks like you who are always wailing about "not being labled" are so quick to label everyone else. Do you find that ironic at all?

I'm trying to prove that Trump did something illegal? Really? That's what you've gleaned? Nope.

Trump, in response to the Floyd protests and riots happening around the country suggested that he would deploy the American military on American soil to DOMINATE American citizens. He has that power under very narrow circumstances. Yes, the law suggests that it is the President's ULTIMATE decision to invoke his powers under the act, but as I've said 200 years of legal precedent, the acts of previous Presidents (consulting with local and State authorities) certainly should have informed any reasonable person's decision before threatening to wield the admittedly awesome power of the POTUS.

I'm glad you're reading and doing some research. You're ahead of 99% of current posters in that.
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posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66


I have emotions that I can portray in my writing? That's a phenomenal observation. No, I had no idea.


You were not aware that the written word can convey emotion?

There is that intellectual dishonesty again...




posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
I still find it interesting that many of these same officials who are encouraging these protests and supporting them are the same ones who were threatening to arrest people for opening places of business to support themselves and their families and permanently close houses of worship just weeks before. Oh, and arresting people for paddle boarding by themselves in the ocean ... playing ball with their kids in the park with no one else around ...

The new rule seems to be that COVID-19 is uniquely dangerous for the law abiding, but doesn't infect those who are engaging in rioting, looting, and pillaging.

Just like you can't catch it in a corporate big box store, but your mom and pop shop will transmit it to you every single time.


Governor Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania violated his own law, after calling anyone who went against it cowards, to attend a protest violating his own order.

Scumbag Supreme!


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posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

One thing I can tell you about a penitentiary, not having spent time in one myself thankfully, but from acquaintances who have and also family that work in a large state max penitentiary, there are basically two paths to survival in long-term incarceration:

1. you are in protection program, 23 hour lockdown or some other means of avoiding the g.p.
2. you are affiliated/connected to your race, often via a prison gang.

There is no in between. I'm not talking about rinky-dink county or city jails, I'm talking about hard lock state & federal slam.

My suspicion is that some of the white rioters that end up in jail are in for a rather rude awakening.

People that they were buddy-buddy with and cordial while looting the sneaker store, will be the ones demanding payment, or dishing out the consequences.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Gryphon66


I have emotions that I can portray in my writing? That's a phenomenal observation. No, I had no idea.


You were not aware that the written word can convey emotion?

There is that intellectual dishonesty again...



Duh.

ETA: Dear Luminari. Thank you once again for responding to something I said with a zero content post. Of course I have emotion in my writing, as you do as we all do. To make a spurious comment like that was ... silly. I treated it as such.

However, given my previous thesis that the sum total of your posts here are zero-content commentaries on your opinion of other “posters” I should be surprised, should I? Again, as in the past, there is no English word that describes how utterly non-existent my interest is in what you think of “me.”

Best.
edit on 4-6-2020 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Blue Shift

Law and order by any means necessary. When the violence and destruction starts, take down the perpetrators. I don't care if they have to shoot tranquilizing darts, you have to stop the threat.

I don't much like the idea of stopping law breakers by ignoring the law. Of course, the law allows you to protect yourself if you feel that you are directly threatened. But I'm not going out and purposely putting myself in that position where I feel threatened just so I can put the hammer down on somebody.

Besides, there's nothing much I can do short of putting a bullet into somebody that is going to ruin the lives of the violent protestors any more than they're doing to themselves. Think it was hard enough for a black man to get a job in Minneapolis and St. Louis before this? It ain't gonna be any easier once this is all over.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Blue Shift

Besides, there's nothing much I can do short of putting a bullet into somebody that is going to ruin the lives of the violent protestors any more than they're doing to themselves. Think it was hard enough for a black man to get a job in Minneapolis and St. Louis before this? It ain't gonna be any easier once this is all over.


A bunch of stupid people making black people look bad. Most assume it's all blacks doing the damage. A shame for the community




posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Right now, they aren't terribly worried. They're getting bailed as fast as they hit jail, and I'd imagine they get all kinds of fabulous pro-bono defense teams.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Right now, they aren't terribly worried. They're getting bailed as fast as they hit jail, and I'd imagine they get all kinds of fabulous pro-bono defense teams.



They are. They arrive with the phone number to their legal defense funder written on their arms.

It really doesn't matter if it's Antifa, white-supremacists, or a bunch of white individuals committing criminal acts, undermining, and hijacking these protests...if you are white and you are at a BLM protest with the phone number to get bail funds written on your arm, then you have no business at these protests. BLM organizers need to ask any white person attending with a high expectation of being arrested to leave if they don't want them destroying their cause.

Or that's my opinion...obviously how they decide to handle it is not my business.



edit on 6/4/2020 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

If it's injustice you're fighting, you need as many hands on your side to fight it, regardless of their color.

Second line: I will be having chicken for dinner.
edit on 4-6-2020 by Psilocyborg because: Winner winner



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: Psilocyborg
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If it's injustice you're fighting, you need as many hands on your side to fight it, regardless of their color.

Second line: I will be having chicken for dinner.


They aren't on their side if they are arriving with the expectation that they will be arrested -- whether they plan to commit illegal acts or not. The phone number is a total giveaway that they are not there to support the cause.

I've seen a few pleas from black protestors to white rioters to stop committing illegal acts because they are worried they will get the blame. So it's not FOR white protestors to decide to make a peaceful protest violent and destructive -- it's not their cause.




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posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 03:39 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Gryphon66


I have emotions that I can portray in my writing? That's a phenomenal observation. No, I had no idea.


You were not aware that the written word can convey emotion?

There is that intellectual dishonesty again...



Duh.

ETA: Dear Luminari. Thank you once again for responding to something I said with a zero content post. Of course I have emotion in my writing, as you do as we all do. To make a spurious comment like that was ... silly. I treated it as such.

However, given my previous thesis that the sum total of your posts here are zero-content commentaries on your opinion of other “posters” I should be surprised, should I? Again, as in the past, there is no English word that describes how utterly non-existent my interest is in what you think of “me.”

Best.


There is that intellectual dishonesty again...

Thank you for continuing to be almost dangerously close to be amusing to me.

You are a fun read, in a fictional way.

Keep posting and I'll keep reading.




posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

...What is to be gained by the rhetoric that "American is in flames" or "Anarchy Reigns Supreme in US Streets"?



I find it odd that you used quotation marks, where did I write either of those things?

Are parts of America in flames?

Well, yes, yes they are, 🤷🏻‍♂️







Has anarchy broken out in areas?

I'll repeat the Oxford definition of anarchy;

anarchy/noun/a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.

Yes, yes it has;




(KRON/CNN/Meredith) -- Looters stole more than 70 brand new vehicles from a car dealership in California Sunday night, a total value worth nearly $2.7 million.

Carlos Hidalgo, the owner of the San Leandro Dodge Dealership, said the looters spent about five hours inside the dealership before making off with the more than 70 vehicles. He said they broke into the building and found the key safe.

...“It was a war zone,” Hidalgo said. “They came in, finally got in here and they had tear gas, and there were cars crashed everywhere. It was bad, and 70 plus cars are missing.”


Source

I'm not trying to 'gain' anything, nor 'sensationalise' anything; to answer your question, there is nothing to be gained.

I simply shared the OP as I was rather surprised to see US streets resemble a Middle Eastern warzone.

The most newsworthy thing that's happened around here lately is a farm burning down, for a great many of us outsiders looking-in, recent events in America are a shocking sight.

I get it, you feel like I'm putting your country down, that's fair enough, I only wonder if you also complain to the news networks for reporting on recent events?






posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: Psilocyborg
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If it's injustice you're fighting, you need as many hands on your side to fight it, regardless of their color.

Second line: I will be having chicken for dinner.


I know right? Who cares if those extra hands will end up trashing, looting, burning your entire neighborhood along the way ... you got to stick it to The Man while you did it.

Not sure where your thought processes are on this. It makes no sense. You're burning out the ones you claim to be protesting.



posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

There are a certain subset of people who believe you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs that are salivating over all this.

They think this will finally be the uprising into a socialist/communist state they've been waiting for.



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