Something is eternal.

Either something is eternal or nothing is eternal.

If nothing is eternal, then something comes from nothing
Nothing is eternal.
Therefore, something comes from nothing.

The claim that nothing is eternal, necessarily leads us to the claim that something came from nothing. Now, this claim is to be frank absurd. Nothing does not have power(i.e.the ability produce effects), it does not have any quality or quantity, no relation, no properties. It is total and utter non-existence. No thing. Saying that it can produce something is to make it something, and thus one cannot consistently claim that something came from nothing. Therefore, something is eternal.

Everything is quantized, all of the above.

Something is eternal, simultaneously, nothing is eternal, and the antelopes eat the grass.

To me, existence simply doesn't make any sense at all. I'm both a christian and a physicist, but I just can't comprehend why anything exists at all. Absolute nothingness is the only thing that makes sense to me but that's clearly not our reality.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Our existence is a miracle. And I want to know the person who
did all of this.

a reply to: carsforkids
It’s you and it’s me.
We perceive therefore the world around us exists.
The physical world exists because we exist, not the other way around.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around how everything is mostly just empty space.
This desk that my elbows are so firmly pressing upon, just atoms populated by 99% nothing.
My elbows, my vessel, just empty, yet here I am contemplating that fact.

Without pain and suffering there would be no happiness or joy.
Without hardship no wisdoms to be won.

Am I a joke? Or do I craft this sick reality we call the human condition?
Are we really just monkey’s with bigger sticks? self-aware animals who have yet to master their nature?
Is there a destiny for me to walk? A pre-ordained path that’s as ordinary as another being on the other side of our densely populated rock?

Find out the conclusion to this millennium’s thrilling episode of ‘what the fudge am I doing here’ in the next millennium’s episode!

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
If nothing is eternal then something cannot come from nothing as it would cease to be eternal.

If you find an easy and comforting answer you're probably wrong. The question is at this stage beyond our understanding.

Concepts are nothing in physical terms, yet provide the possibility 'things' to manifest.
This conceptual realm is eternal, or rather a-temporal.
I wouldn't get to hung up on a word (nothing) that denotes zero enumeration.
Could get into infinite semantic regress.

Zero and One.

originally posted by: rom12345
Concepts are nothing in physical terms, yet provide the possibility 'things' to manifest.

Naming is the origin of all particular things. Tao Te Ching.


Emptiness is form.
Form is empty.

Nothing is happening.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

If nothing is eternal then something cannot come from nothing as it would cease to be eternal.

I believe you're confused. When you form the proposition "nothing is eternal". You are not describing this thing called "nothing" with the word eternal. You're saying there is no thing that has the property of being without beginning or end. This sentence would only become false, if there were indeed something that had the property of being without beginning or end.

If you find an easy and comforting answer you're probably wrong. The question is at this stage beyond our understanding.

The logic here is flawed. Just because an answer is easy to understand, and this one should be considering I put it into logical inference rules for you, doesn't make it likely wrong...

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

The logic here is flawed.

Indeed! And I've read often that lengthy scientific data favors the
easiest answer, to most likely be the correct answer.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I think you'll like part three

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
The logic here is flawed. Just because an answer is easy to understand, and this one should be considering I put it into logical inference rules for you, doesn't make it likely wrong...

Are there more people who understand the world, or more people that don't?

Regardless of your working if you think you have an answer then the odds are in favor of you being wrong.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Regardless of your working if you think you have an answer then the odds are in favor of you being wrong.

So true and highly indicative of the need for an oracle.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I am afraid your logic here is flawed again. The statistical facts surrounding the number of people who understand the world is not relevant to conclusions of deductive logic. Could you explain to.ke your understanding of a logical inference rule?

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Could you explain to.ke your understanding of a logical inference rule?

Easily.

I have no understanding.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Itisnowagain

I think you'll like part three

What happened to part two?

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Either something is eternal or nothing is eternal.

If nothing is eternal, then something comes from nothing
Nothing is eternal.
Therefore, something comes from nothing.

The claim that nothing is eternal, necessarily leads us to the claim that something came from nothing. Now, this claim is to be frank absurd. Nothing does not have power(i.e.the ability produce effects), it does not have any quality or quantity, no relation, no properties. It is total and utter non-existence. No thing. Saying that it can produce something is to make it something, and thus one cannot consistently claim that something came from nothing. Therefore, something is eternal.

Who has ever made the claim that nothing is eternal? It's a nonsense statement. We have no example of 'nothing' to examine and the same goes for 'eternal'. There is no way to falsify that claim. And no one claims that something can come from nothing, that is just a creationist flawed argument against the big bang theory because no one knows the precursor.

Saying something is eternal is equally fallacious as we have no example of anything being eternal. The fact that 'something' is here does not prove that 'something' is eternal.

a reply to: midicon
Eternal does not necessarily mean that something lasts in time......eternal can also mean timeless.
Time may well appear within the timeless.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Time may well appear within the timeless.

Can you give an example to justify that claim?