Hennepin County Medical Examiner lied, why?

Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

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...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

a reply to: briantaylor
A knee on the neck and two mens weight compressing his lungs.
It wasn"t just Derek Chauvin alone.

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

The autopsy paid for by Benjamin Crump?

The same ambulance chasing race hustler who lost the Trayvon Martin case?


Seems legit.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

I have to disagree, to the extent that once a suspect is on the ground, handcuffed behind the back, outnumbered 4/5 to one, there is NO valid reason to remain on the guys neck for several more minutes. Period.

The cop should have been arrested the next day, the whole investigation turned over to the Feds, and the police chief and mayor resign, after a public apology for the whole incident.

he was ALREADY in the police car handcuffed.. the cop was beating him in the car and then dragged him out....and kept his knee on him three minutes AFTER there was no pulse....

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

I respect the police, but in general 'the police can do no wrong'
To the point now that, even though I live in a medium sized town, with a predominately white population, even the cops seem to be driving around more and staring at me and other drivers more.

Why?
This whole # does the total opposite of what it's designed to do.

Unless it's designed to divide


And I ain't too good at math these days

a reply to: chris_stibrany

I don't blame the cops for being suspicious these days.
They have no idea who might be out to hurt them.
Extremely difficult job to do under normal circumstances but with today's issues it's nearly impossible.
The best we can do is be sociable, polite and respectful and video when problems arise.
Your video could make the difference between a rightful conviction or a wrongful one.

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

I have to disagree, to the extent that once a suspect is on the ground, handcuffed behind the back, outnumbered 4/5 to one, there is NO valid reason to remain on the guys neck for several more minutes. Period.

The cop should have been arrested the next day, the whole investigation turned over to the Feds, and the police chief and mayor resign, after a public apology for the whole incident.

That may be the case. Not saying I actually disagree.

However, it still doesn't change the fact that the cop may not have actually killed Mr. Floyd directly despite how the video may look.

No medical expert here but I think it could be realistic that the kneel on the neck and back was not the direct cause of the death. That said I think it is a very solid conclusion that the treatment of Mr Floyd did directly influence his death by adding too much stress to an already strained body. That in my book is still murder.

Bottom line the cop(s) were completely out of line and I would be pretty confident in saying that if the situation would have been handled more peacefully there is a 99.95% chance that Mr Floyd would be alive today.

I live in the Twin Cities on the St. Paul side and for those people that don't live here that have been watching the situation unfold over the last week I think it is apparent that leadership of the Minneapolis law enforcement is flat out terrible.

In my opinion it is even more damning when you compare them to the St. Paul police right next door. I have had peaceful interactions with both and I think it is fair to say there is for sure a different vibe when talking to Minneapolis cops.

The Hegelian Dialectic never goes out of style 😎

Working since Karl Marx sharpened his first pencil 😎

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

I have to disagree, to the extent that once a suspect is on the ground, handcuffed behind the back, outnumbered 4/5 to one, there is NO valid reason to remain on the guys neck for several more minutes. Period.

The cop should have been arrested the next day, the whole investigation turned over to the Feds, and the police chief and mayor resign, after a public apology for the whole incident.

That may be the case. Not saying I actually disagree.

However, it still doesn't change the fact that the cop may not have actually killed Mr. Floyd directly despite how the video may look.

It's refreshing to see someone not rushing to judgement and waiting for all the facts, and willing to go either way based on the evidence not emotion.

”...found no evidence...”

So the ME actually conducted an autopsy?

“...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.”

These are statements of fact, at least they are points of information being stated as facts.

I wonder as to the basis of these “facts”, what are their source? Are they drawn from the deceased prior medical records (was permission for release under HIPAA regulations granted, or required?), or are they conclusions drawn from the ME’s actual examination of the body during autopsy?

”...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,...”

Emphasis mine.

If an actual autopsy was properly conducted on Mr Floyd’s body, wouldn’t any question regarding the presence of “intoxicants”, as well as their amount, have been answered?

What does the ME’s report mean when it refers to ”potential” intoxicants?

Don’t they know if there were, or were not, intoxicants in the deceased body?

If there were, what were they?

If there were none, why include this “speculation” in the official report?

Somebody’s got some ‘splaining to do!

a reply to: briantaylor

He lied became he was told to by his boss . His boss told him and his boss told him . All the way up to the top . The same peoples who said Epstein committed suicide . The same people who said Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman named Oswald . The same people that said they had never thought of terrorists flying planes into buildings

I would think by the position of his knee and the fact that the guy was able to say he could not breath that the knee was blocking the bloodflow to the brain. If you block bloodflow, usually the person passes out. There are arteries in that area and enough pressure can cause the arteries to be closed off. Now two of those arteries supply the brain, but one blocked can still be a major problem and if done long enough might be enough to cause death. There are arteries farther back too, but they supply a different section of the brain and spinal chord. Usually just pressing on those two arteries for a half minute will bring a big guy to his knees.

Blockage of blood supply to the brain seems to be one of the things listed on that second autopsy, but I do not know how someone would be able to determine that, it sounds more like an opinion to me by an independent person doing an autopsy. It will be interesting to find out what happens in court.

The thing is, that should only be a temporary hold down technique, they had plenty of officers there to get that guy into the car. That officer they charged, the nineteen year veteran did contribute to that African American guys death.

There I said it, I actually called him an African American....I usually tend to call a black person black. I am not racist but I grew up where black was not a bad word. It was just a distinguishing statement. Just like calling a person white is. How come they still ask if you are white on the census yet ask if you are African American in that choice, White and black, both are colors. What do we now have to call us white people because surely white is inappropriate. Just like black people are rarely even close to black, whites are not always white. I am a dark Finn, I am white but much darker than my wife and daughters. I guess a lot of women are white.

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: briantaylor

He lied became he was told to by his boss . His boss told him and his boss told him . All the way up to the top . The same peoples who said Epstein committed suicide . The same people who said Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman named Oswald . The same people that said they had never thought of terrorists flying planes into buildings

It's embarrassing to have say your boy is a killer!

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: briantaylor
Here are three quotes from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner about the preliminary autopsy of George Floyd.

source

...found no evidence that George Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia

...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,

End of quote

I imagine that a county medical examiner might be a bit biased in favour of protecting the police, or he could be just so personally inclined to do so, however the medical examiner could also be in on the conspiracy to downplay, or deflect, for reasons entirely shady.

Now that a complete, non preliminary autopsy, ordered by Floyd's family, has concluded that George died from knee on neck, I'm sure the County's autopsy will concur.

But like a lot of things these days, the truth is hard to determine.

Or maybe the video looks worse than it really was and he actually died of something else....

Videos don't tell the entire story. When you are being strangled, you can't talk.

Mr. Floyd may very well have been under duress from his other health issues. However, the officer may not have been able to ascertain that. The problem is officers cannot just take any suspect saying "I can't breathe" when subduing them at their word for obvious reasons.

I have to disagree, to the extent that once a suspect is on the ground, handcuffed behind the back, outnumbered 4/5 to one, there is NO valid reason to remain on the guys neck for several more minutes. Period.

The cop should have been arrested the next day, the whole investigation turned over to the Feds, and the police chief and mayor resign, after a public apology for the whole incident.

That may be the case. Not saying I actually disagree.

However, it still doesn't change the fact that the cop may not have actually killed Mr. Floyd directly despite how the video may look.

It's refreshing to see someone not rushing to judgement and waiting for all the facts, and willing to go either way based on the evidence not emotion.

I really try to stay somewhat neutral on these types of things until we have all the facts. We've seen time and time again that additional facts come out that may not necessarily support the narrative.

The video is certainly damning, but at the same time doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

This was the same situation that happened with Eric Garner in NYC. Both huge men who were resisting arrest. Eric Garner had underlying health issues.

I am in no way arguing the cops guilt or innocence in the matter.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

”...found no evidence...”

So the ME actually conducted an autopsy?

“...Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.”

These are statements of fact, at least they are points of information being stated as facts.

I wonder as to the basis of these “facts”, what are their source? Are they drawn from the deceased prior medical records (was permission for release under HIPAA regulations granted, or required?), or are they conclusions drawn from the ME’s actual examination of the body during autopsy?

”...The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,...”

Emphasis mine.

If an actual autopsy was properly conducted on Mr Floyd’s body, wouldn’t any question regarding the presence of “intoxicants”, as well as their amount, have been answered?

What does the ME’s report mean when it refers to ”potential” intoxicants?

Don’t they know if there were, or were not, intoxicants in the deceased body?

If there were, what were they?

If there were none, why include this “speculation” in the official report?

Somebody’s got some ‘splaining to do!

The "potential" came from a preliminary report before the topology report became available.

From now on a mma fighter who chokes out their opponent, We be declared the winner by natural causes.
The cop who caused his death, must of forgot about his incident report. Victim says he cant breath, bystanders could clearly see the man was in serious trouble, A firefighter having to tell the cops multiple times to check his pulse,
Paramedic turns up and checked for a pulse, I think he knew he was already dead but did not want to escalate the already #ty situation. Hence the way they just dragged the guys body onto the stretcher. Paramedics must get sick of having follow violent cops around treating their victims.