Back to Work Bonus instead of Unemployment benefit

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White House Considering $450 Weekly ‘Back To Work Bonus’

In an interview with Fox News, Sen. Portman indicated the $600 weekly unemployment bonus is a disincentive for unemployed workers to return to work because many of them currently earn more while unemployed than while working.

would include paying a $450 weekly bonus to unemployed workers who return to work. This weekly bonus would be paid for a limited time and would be paid in addition to the worker’s wages.

The government is between a rock and a hard place.
I do believe that people needed the original stimulus. How we proceed from here will be interesting.

Low wage workers that never got laid off are steaming mad. They never got the extra unemployment money, and now to add insult to injury they won't be getting the back to work bonus either.

Just imagine, a store/restaurant laid off 1/2 of its workforce. Now they are back at work, but getting a wage and extra 450 a week. That sure doesn't seem fair to the Joe Schmoe that's been busting his chops this whole time for the same ol' low wage!

a reply to: JAGStorm

That is why you do not give bonus money for folks who are not working. And should not give bonus money for folk who go back to work.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: JAGStorm

That is why you do not give bonus money for folks who are not working. And should not give bonus money for folk who go back to work.

It really makes me think this is an experiment to see how much you have to pay to placate a big part of the population.

a reply to: JAGStorm

This sounds reasonable. They need to do something to create incentive for business to ramp up fast.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JAGStorm

This sounds reasonable. They need to do something to create incentive for business to ramp up fast.

What do you think is going to happen when one fast food worker is making $450 more than the other.
It won't be an issue in places that were completely closed, but it will be a big issue in places that laid off only a portion.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: JAGStorm

That is why you do not give bonus money for folks who are not working. And should not give bonus money for folk who go back to work.

EXACTLY

what people forget is the program was SUPPOSED TO give some help until they could find another job.
it wasnt to support a family on, for long term and be bare bones minimum help.

in fact here is the EXACT HISTORY OF UNEMPLOYMENT

They are funded by the federal government from payroll taxes received from employers. Unemployment benefits were originally created by the Social Security Act of 1935 to allow the millions who had lost jobs due to the Great Depression of 1929 to buy food, clothing, and shelter.

what happened was it was extended from 2009 to 2013 from its previous 26 week

this was done under DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT OBAMA

its stated reason was to help people during a RECESSION (note recession not depression ) .
a recession caused (by any standards) by poor economic policies by obama and the democrats.
it was extended to almost a YEAR .
not for help but to pay off people to keep them from DEMANDING REFORM to improve the economy.

in short BRIBES with others money are easier to do than your job of (gasp) putting american economy first.

im sorry but there should not be "bonuses for all" on unemployment nor bonuses for getting a job .
but STOPPING THE CLEARLY POLICE STATE tactics under guise of "safety" on a disease that is FACTUALLY UNDER MORTALITY RATES at least same or even lower than the influenza virus/flu

scrounger

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: JAGStorm

That is why you do not give bonus money for folks who are not working. And should not give bonus money for folk who go back to work.

It really makes me think this is an experiment to see how much you have to pay to placate a big part of the population.

I'm really not sure what is going on right now. But I will agree it is interesting to see how society responds to this.
I think it will get more interesting in the next few months.

a reply to: scrounger

im sorry but there should not be "bonuses for all" on unemployment nor bonuses for getting a job .

They are talking about keeping this going until July

These are very interesting times. I know we are living in history, but were are REALLY living in history right now.
They will be writing about this period of time in history books.

Maybe this turns into Universal income. Maybe Healthcare. Who knows, but the wheels are already turning.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JAGStorm

This sounds reasonable. They need to do something to create incentive for business to ramp up fast.

you only regulate and tax businesses at minimum level for business.

you dont demand that a MINIMUM WAGE WORKER get the same pay as a skilled worker.

you dont create an environment where you cant have (ex food service) dine in, mask everyone, and shut it down on BAD MODELS.

you create an overall economic environment where there are more jobs than workers , thus making workers a valuable commodity that they pay more to get them

you STOP justifying illegal immigrants and importing workers until all americans (AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ) have been employed first.

you stop giving programs that make more than getting a job.. even if that job is "picking crops in the fields " (btw my mother and father who come from farming communities did to make summer cash ) .

in short you STOP SUPPORTING SOCIALISM (or whatever name you like to use now) over capitalism (with minimum regulations).

funny how before the corvid 19 shutdown our economy was doing much better in last three years than the previous 8

hmmmmm

scrounger

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: JAGStorm

That is why you do not give bonus money for folks who are not working. And should not give bonus money for folk who go back to work.

It really makes me think this is an experiment to see how much you have to pay to placate a big part of the population.

you hit the nail on the head.

it is the same reason under obama they extended unemployment to 52 weeks

its easier to BRIBE and keep quiet people with taxpayers money than to do the hard work of growing an economy.

those that are bribed dont look at the details and vote for the handouts.

scrounger

So, I didn't ask for this pandemic, or ask to get laid off, or ask for the extra 600 a week either. I didn't even ask for the 450 for getting back to work. If people are going to be upset angry or whatever with me when I return in a couple weeks here, then that's on them, and they should quit being babies about it... It's called luck of the draw.. Sometimes life isn't fair, I've been on that side of it most of my life. and what? I'm supposed to be sorry because I finally got a little relief for once? I haven't been able to afford a vacation or take one in over 6 years, and I get 2 months off "paid"! I've had several people since this say in a condescending way "Gee, it must be nice to have all that money, and not have to work for it" and I always answer with a resounding "Why yes, yes it is nice to have all that money and not have to be at work.

a reply to: gunshooter

Well you shouldn't feel guilty because the ruling class have been squeezing the every day joe dry, part of the reason were in this mess is because of greed.

The people that chastise the working class are so clueless they're not worth listening to.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

Back when Obama extended unemployment benefits, I was one of those who was hit hard by the downturn. I was glad to get it, and I used it to help me complete college. However, there was a price to pay: when I did get my degree, the economy had still not recovered, since the extra unemployment meant less incentive to hunt for work. Less incentive to hunt for work meant less people actively working and thus less jobs being filled.

The lesson is that a short-term benefit resulted in long term problems. It extended the economic problems.

The extra $600 unemployment was an even worse idea. Yes, some people needed it at the time, and yes, it probably helped them. I do not blame them. I am on disability and received a stimulus check, even though at the time I was pretty much unaffected. OK. I'm certainly not going to send the money back just based on the amount of money I paid the government over the years to buy $500 toilet seats and study the mating habits of the South American Tse-Tse fly while I struggled to pay bills. If they want to give me a little back now, so be it. I imagine most Americans feel the same.

But the effect of this unemployment bonus was that people were just fine and happy to stay unemployed, because they made more not working than working.

I really believe Trump was tricked into this closing of the economy by his advisors. I do know he is a compassionate man in some ways at least, and when faced with a decision to either sign a stimulus plan that will help many or veto it over one error in judgement included in it, what does one do? Taking out the offending part is not possible; there is no line-item veto. It sort of makes sense that he would now be considering doing the exact opposite, paying people to work instead of paying them not to work. It will still backfire, but it would have some of the desired effect in the short term as well.

Think of it like trying to pull a car out of a skid. We were speeding down the road, gaining speed and everything was wonderful until we noticed the road had some potholes (the Kung Flu). We hit the brake (closed most of the economy) and at the same time jerked the wheel (the unemployment bonus). Now we're in a skid. We have to turn the wheel the other way to correct the skid (this proposal), but if we turn it too much we'll just skid the other way.

The mistake was slamming on the brakes and jerking the wheel. But that's irrelevant right now; the goal is not to have had a perfect driving record, but to get the car moving in the right direction again. There will be plenty of time for blame later on, whether we straighten the car or hit the ditch.

My thought is that we need to fix what we did before adding in more. We need to open the economy, virus or no virus, while protecting the most vulnerable, stop the payments for not working and go back to normal unemployment procedures, and then... only then... maybe a one-time tax credit for those who go back to work.

Then we can kick the fool who jerked the wheel out of the car, preferably while it's moving... I'm talking to you, Pelosi.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

The Law of Unintended Consequences

There's quite a bit of evidence available to us that this pandemic was a always coming, had the administration been proactive instead of reactive this mess might be a little less messy.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I myself have felt the depressing guilt of government assistance. It only took 3 and a half decades. I do feel guilty, but I understand I've paid into this. I feel crappy. But here we are.

ETA: I lost my job to this crap. I cant find a new job because of this crap.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Ummm... I just want to be clear here... are you saying we should have shut down the economy before the pandemic materialized? Maybe in 2017? 2018?

Otherwise, I'm not sure what your suggestion is.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: gunshooter
So, I didn't ask for this pandemic, or ask to get laid off, or ask for the extra 600 a week either. I didn't even ask for the 450 for getting back to work. If people are going to be upset angry or whatever with me when I return in a couple weeks here, then that's on them, and they should quit being babies about it... It's called luck of the draw.. Sometimes life isn't fair, I've been on that side of it most of my life. and what? I'm supposed to be sorry because I finally got a little relief for once? I haven't been able to afford a vacation or take one in over 6 years, and I get 2 months off "paid"! I've had several people since this say in a condescending way "Gee, it must be nice to have all that money, and not have to work for it" and I always answer with a resounding "Why yes, yes it is nice to have all that money and not have to be at work.

the problem is not you getting the money and it helping in whatever.

the problem is and why alot of people are upset is THE TAXPAYER (and their children) will be paying for it for a long long time.

if you saved up and could afford the loss of job for a while.. all the power to you.
if you can afford to live of the STANDARD unemployment then again all the power to you.

BUT IF you expect the people to pay extra for a situation that in all honesty didnt need to happen or happen as long as it has (given the facts we have known for a while now) , and to pay extra to extend it instead of the politicians IMPROVING THE ECONOMIC SITUATION that is WRONG and why we are angry.

to EXPECT US TO PAY a "bonus" to encourage them to go back instead of saying either "your unemployment is gonna run out on this date so its up to you what you gonna do" or say "if you refuse a job (no matter how much you may think its beneath you) you not gonna collect unemployment" is just too much.

dont want to work when available , ITS ON YOUR DIME NOT MINE.

I dont know how many crappy jobs I have taken to feed myself, keep a roof over my head , ect now expected to PAY EXTRA for someone to get off their ass to work........I will not accept that and call out anyone (not saying you) who thinks thats their right.

scrounger

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Ummm... I just want to be clear here... are you saying we should have shut down the economy before the pandemic materialized? Maybe in 2017? 2018?

Otherwise, I'm not sure what your suggestion is.

TheRedneck

No that would be really dumb, in fact had there been preparedness perhaps the economy wouldn't have needed to shut down.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: gunshooter

Well you shouldn't feel guilty because the ruling class have been squeezing the every day joe dry, part of the reason were in this mess is because of greed.

The people that chastise the working class are so clueless they're not worth listening to.

oh please save me that "ruling class" socialist bullsnip manefesto.

because the FACTS ARE its the "working class" (as you so like to use) or as I say TAXPAYERS that are paying for all this.

the "rich" (no matter if its socialism, communism , communes , or any other system you want) will always be "rich and powerful".... GET OVER IT.

under capitalism is the greatest chance for one to go from "working class" to "rich".. it isnt gonna be easy and not everyone will be able (be bad luck, lack of skill, lack of drive, whatever) be "rich".

in fact under capitalism it is quite possible for ANYONE to live well if they are willing to STOP COMPLAINING/BLAMING their unhappiness on how much money they make. But what they do with what they have and learn to appreciate / be the best with what they have.

as the poem goes if you cant be the mountain but are a bush... be the best bush you can be, and so on.

sorry if life is unfair and that you may not have the skills, luck, or drive to be "rich"
but you can be happy at where you are...

but you will NEVER ACHIEVE SUCCESS OR "FAIRNESS" FOR ALL by robbing the "rich" .
because most people are "rich" when compared to someone else.

scrounger

ps if USA is so bad and "unfair" you can move to a country that you feel is better... no "wall" stopping you from leaving

you dont leave because maybe you wont find better or the "other perfect country" doesnt want you?

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I myself have felt the depressing guilt of government assistance. It only took 3 and a half decades. I do feel guilty, but I understand I've paid into this. I feel crappy. But here we are.

ETA: I lost my job to this crap. I cant find a new job because of this crap.

It's a really messy situation, at this point a person can only adapt and hopefully find a way through.

I feel bad for you guys in the U.S because the commander in chief dropped the ball really badly and it's going to get worse before it gets better.