The Treasury Department Spied on Flynn per Whistleblower

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66
How do you know they haven't?
The whistleblower report would have been available since march of 17?
And the data from all the way back in 15 hasnt disappeared?
You know like lois learners data?

Interesting time for some sunshine on this whistleblower.

Your posts are getting muddled.

The article you linked from the Ohio Star states that the whistleblower submitted the complaint in March of 2017,

Mr. Trump became President at the end of January in that same year.

Ergo, the complaint was made to the Trump Adminsitration's IG for Treasury ... and nothing was done with it.

This is not complicated.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

Yeah, I did make it up.

And I prefaced the post pretty plainly as such in response to another post.

If Flynn was pressured into pleading guilty to lying to save his son from the FBI going after him, how is it you are certain he lied at all? What were his lies to the FBI?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

Yeah, I did make it up.

And I prefaced the post pretty plainly as such in response to another post.

If Flynn was pressured into pleading guilty to lying to save his son from the FBI going after him, how is it you are certain he lied at all? What were his lies to the FBI?

I don't deal with conditionals.

Weren't you provided with the charges/plea deal above?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

Yeah, I did make it up.

And I prefaced the post pretty plainly as such in response to another post.

If Flynn was pressured into pleading guilty to lying to save his son from the FBI going after him, how is it you are certain he lied at all? What were his lies to the FBI?

Sorry, I'd like to rephrase that.

You are familiar with the nature of plea deals I guess. Well, thats what this one was. Flynn pled out for ... something.

Maybe it was to save his son. I'm not a fan of police at any level, and there is some shady # that goes on as we are all aware.

Flynn told the FBI that he hasnt spoken to the Russian ambassador but in actuality he had.

Is that a crime? That's a different question.

However, Flynn did plead and he did swear IN COURT that he was guilty as charged.

Now, General Flynn didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. He knew what all these things meant as they were happening to him.

To bring this back around to the actual topic ... if Treasury was surveiling Flynn in 2015, was it legal?

That's what we will see. I can't say that it was or wasn't.

I will say, in general, that the Government is not careful of the details when they think they have a fish on the hook, and the political party invovled makes no difference.

a reply to: Gryphon66
Nope
Not muddy in any way
4th ammendment violations are despicable

The whistleblower expresses concern in march of 16

You know
Black nixon time

Crystal clear

Hahaha
Susan Rice of all people...

How would law enforcement know about an American citizens phone calls?

Unusual is not criminal.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

I guess that's how they found out that Flynn was a secret agent being paid by Turkey to represent Turkey's interest.

Yeah... except that he wasn't...

But good on ya for keepin up the CNN crap-speak.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
A fara violation does not make one a "secret agent"

There was no fara violation.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Flynn didn't join the Trump Campaign until February 2016.

If they were surveiling him in 2015, they likely had a reason.

Like, you know, his illegal work done for a foreign government, that sort of thing.

Except, he didn't/wasn't...

They were surveilling him because he was a thorn in their side, head of the DIA, and not on board with the deep state criminal emterprise that was the OBiden administration.

Flynn pled guilty under threat.

FBI said they’d go after his kid unless he pled guilty.

Funny how the judge won’t let him change hIs plea.

That right there is the basis for an appeal.

Flynn cannot claim he had poor counsel, either. The FBI denied his request to have his lawyer present during the questioning....

And they didn’t actually take notes of the “interview”.

So how can he refute the charge that he lied?

They swear their memories are perfect, even though they waited weeks before writing up a “summary.”

But when called in front of congress, it’s all “I cannot recall” and “on the advice of counsel...

Ohhh Well


On 1/13/17 the Obama administration gave a press conference, saying not only would they HELP the transition team reach out to foreign officials should they ask, but that they saw no problem with Flynn speaking to any foreign official- including Kislyak

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a reply to: xuenchen

And?

Has Flynn been charged with talking to the Russian Ambassador, or was he charged (and did he confess), to lying to various officials about those meetings?

a reply to: Graysen

Do you think plea deals are made out of generosity?

Do you think that plea deals are taken out of appreciation?

Flynn got a plea deal. He took it. He stated UNDER OATH that he had committed the crime.

He was asked at the time if he was coerced. He stated he was not.

... and this is all a matter of the public record.

The author of the piece in the Ohio Star is Neil McCabe.

Mr. McCabe is also affiliated with One America News network and Breitbart News.

He’s also an Iraq veteran, awarded a Bronze Star, and is Catholic.

Neil McCabe at OAN

The “Ohio Star” is web-only news. The “Tennessee Star” seems to be basically a mirror site.

It’s known for having a right bias.

Source

Also of note ... no media outlets have picked up this story ... not even Breitbart or OAN at least at the time of this post.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

And?

Has Flynn been charged with talking to the Russian Ambassador, or was he charged (and did he confess), to lying to various officials about those meetings?

So you support the surveillance state perjury trap?
Interesting

a reply to: Gryphon66
Lol
Dont like the story
Go after the media

Trump is that you?

Lol
You've turned into what you hate

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Trump said he did. Pence said he did.
He swore under oath, twice, that he did. So, he either lied then, or committed perjury in court, twice!

Based on a doctored report, AND with basically a gun to his head to pled guilty. Trump and Pence are now saying no he didn't based on further evidence coming forward. Of course they said he lied, and they said that based on the FBI report that was provided to them.

You seem to only accept what fits your narrative and everything else is false even when further evidence comes forward.

So what say you now? Do you stick with just what is convenient to you?

a reply to: Xtrozero

So what say you now?

Your post has not changed my opinion.

The McCabe article has not been picked up even by Breitbart, OAN, none of them.

Looks like they know it’s crap too.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

I'm saying what I said.

Flynn pleaded guilty.

Trump fired him for lying to Pence.

Your "narrative" is the only one that's evolving here.

So I guess we are done, game over... You always want to come off as the logical person, but that is just a mask. If you were really true to the truth you would see what has transpired from the beginning, and it did evolve as further facts have come forward.

What he supposedly lied about had zero significance to anything in any investigation. It would have the same level as if he said he he had a conversation on Tuesday and it actually happened on Monday. His actions were recorded in all that he did, and he knew that, and that is why the investigators said he didn't lie even if he wasn't 100% correct. Now Comey comes along and says it didn't fit the facts exactly right even though the interviewers said otherwise, and so he push everything to get him.

The big question is why...