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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If the police is still investigating this as a homicide it is not because there is no evidence supporting the possibility of "homicide.
They aren't. They never were.
www.ktnv.com...
Darkness will not forever remain in control of this system of things, nor will people remain ignorant as to the marketing and propaganda tricks I've mentioned forever.
Yes, quality science can take a while.
Here's my prediction regarding the ongoing (mostly) government-funded clinical trials that are ongoing for HCQ (the ones you linked in another thread whose results will take a while, some having an end-date in 2021):
Got any bets on who will win the 2022 Super Bowl?
Each and every one will paint a negative picture
originally posted by: whereislogic
What a surprise, another negative marketing/sales-pitch report. More to follow, as predicted.
All produced by scientists who were quiet about the blatant bias and scientific fraud concerning the VA study, providing evidence that none of their publications can be trusted in the future.
Most of the protocols around the world still say that HCQ should be given when it's too late (hospital/inpatient setting at least, and you only get admitted to the hospital when things are getting really bad). Then they report on HCQ being given under those conditions by saying 'see, it doesn't work' (yeah, duh, you know you gave it too late; you know you refused to treat the cytokine storm with other drugs thereafter and let all your HCQ patients die with "horrible care" while you are giving much better care for your non-HCQ patients. Just like the situation the numbers of the VA study are based on).
14.Escalation of respiratory support (steps); Try to avoid intubation if at all possible, (see Figure 4)
•Accept “permissive hypoxemia” (keep O2 Saturation > 84%); follow venous lactate and Central Venous O2 saturations (ScvO2) in patents with low arterial O2 saturations
•N/C 1-6 L/min•High Flow Nasal canula (HFNC) up to 60-80 L/min
•Trial of inhaled Flolan (epoprostenol)
•Attempt proning (cooperative repositioning-proning)
•Intubation ... by Expert intubator [whereislogic: compare with what the NYC nurse says again about inexperienced intubator and a "figure it out-mentality"]; Rapid sequence. No Bagging; Full PPE. Crash/emergency intubations should be avoided.
•Volume protective ventilation; Lowest driving pressure and lowest PEEP as possible. [wil: compare with what the nurse says again about that hospital using high pressure and high PEEP] Keep driving pressures < 15 cmH2O. •Moderate sedation to prevent self-extubation
•Trial of inhaled Flolan (epoprostenol)
•Prone positioning. [compare with what the nurse says again about "neglect", "they're not going into rooms", "they're not assessing the patient"]
There is widespread concern that using HFNC could increase the risk of viral transmission. There is however, no evidence to support this fear. [now compare that with what the nurse says about this fear in relation to CPAP/BiPAP and how it affects the behaviour of those carrying out the protocols that avoid CPAP/BiPAP!!! That's your biggest clue regarding what I've been talking about concerning "horrible care" and "involutary manslaughter" in aother thread] HFNC is a better option for the patient and the health care system than intubation and mechanical ventilation. CPAP/BiPAP may be used in select patients, notably those with COPD exacerbation or heart failure.
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The above pathologies are not novel, although the combined severity in COVID-19 disease is considerable. Our long-standing and more recent experiences show consistently successful treatment if traditional therapeutic principles of early and aggressive intervention is achieved, before the onset of advanced organ failure. It is our collective opinion that the historically high levels of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 is due to a single factor: the widespread and inappropriate reluctance amongst intensivists to employ anti-inflammatory and anticoagulant treatments, including corticosteroid therapy early in the course of a patient’s hospitalization. It is essential to recognize that it is not the virus that is killing the patient, rather it is the patient’s overactive immune system. The flames of the “cytokine fire” are out of control and need to be extinguished. Providing supportive care (with ventilators that themselves stoke the fire) and waiting for the cytokine fire to burn itself out simply does not work... this approach has FAILED and has led to the death of tens of thousands of patients.
The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid therapy resulted from the published recommendations against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American Thoracic Society (ATS) amongst others. A very recent publication by the Society of Critical Care Medicine and authored one of the members of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) group (UM), identified the errors made by these organizations in their analyses of corticosteroid studies based on the findings of the SARS and H1N1 pandemics. Their erroneous recommendation to avoid corticosteroids in the treatment of COVID-19 has led to the development of myriad organ failures which have overwhelmed critical care systems across the world. ... Treating these patients with early intubation and the ARDNSnet treatment protocol will cause the disease you are trying to prevent i.e. ARDS. These patients tolerate hypoxia remarkable well, without an increase in blood lactate concentration nor a fall in central venous oxygen saturation. We therefore suggest the liberal us of HFNC, with frequent patient repositioning (proning) and the acceptance of “permissive hypoxemia”. However, this approach entails close patient observation.
I like a President willing to lead by example.
I'd be willing to bet plenty of Dems are also taking it as a preventative...but don't dare admit it.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: whereislogic
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But like I said, if the results are less than great the study is obviously wrong. I understand that now.
originally posted by: Phage
Here's my prediction ...: Each and every one will paint a negative picture on HCQ's already well-established and proven effectiveness both as a prophylaxis and treatment of Covid-19 (more so when optimized with ...).
originally posted by: Phage
Got any bets on who will win the 2022 Super Bowl?
...2020 Apr 17...
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Abstract
... post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) for COVID-19. After a large COVID-19 exposure event in an LTCH in Korea, PEP using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) was administered to 211 individuals, including 189 patients and 22 careworkers, whose baseline polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests for COVID-19 were negative. PEP was completed in 184 (97.4%) patients and 21 (95.5%) careworkers without serious adverse events. At the end of 14 days of quarantine, all follow-up PCR tests were negative. ...
In this study, there were no additional confirmed cases among exposed patients and caregivers; however, it is not clear whether PEP was effective because there was no control group.
www.sciencedirect.com...
Randomized clinical studies are needed to evaluate whether PEP is an effective option for an outbreak response strategy against COVID-19 in LTCHs.
Dear Governor Ducey:
This concerns your Executive Order forbidding prophylactic use of chloroquine (CQ) or hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) unless peer-reviewed evidence becomes available.
Attached and posted here (cqhcqresearch) is a summary of peer-reviewed evidence, indexed in PubMed, concerning the use of CQ and HCQ against coronavirus. We believe that there is clear and convincing evidence of benefit both pre-exposure and post-exposure.
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... Many nations, including Turkey and India, are protecting medical workers and contacts of infected persons prophylactically. According to worldometers.info, deaths per million persons from COVID-19 as of Apr 27 are 167 in the U.S., 33 in Turkey, and 0.6 in India.
Based on this evidence, we request that you rescind your Executive Orders impeding the use of CQ and HCQ and further order that administrative agencies not impose any requirements on the prescription of CQ, HCQ, azithromycin, or other drugs intended to treat or prevent coronavirus illness that do not apply equally to all approved medications that may be used off-label for any purpose.
Respectfully,
Michael J. A. Robb, M.D.
President, Arizona State Chapter of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Jane M. Orient, M.D.
Executive Director, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
CC Speaker Rusty Bowers, Rep. Warren Petersen, Rep. Nancy Barto, Sen. Karen Fann, Sen. Rick Gray, and Sen. Kate Brophy-McGee
Attachments:
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The probabilities of clinical success using hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc against the novel betacoronavirus, COVID-19, revised Apr 26, 2020 hcqtable
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: whereislogic
Here are some of the details in video-format for those who are not allergic to honest information about the subject because they prefer falsehoods (darkness, "men have loved the darkness rather than the light", see John 3:19,20) or holding on to those, claiming or feigning ignorance regarding the evidence that proves these falsehoods/lies wrong.
Part 2 has a nice state by state overview of the regulations and restrictions (many of which are applicable to when a doctor is allowed to prescribe it or not, otherwise be shunned as a heretic and lose their license over it if they defy these regulations and restrictions and prescribe it anyway; if they aren't already blocked at the apothecary level who won't release it to the patients even if their doctor prescribed it to them):
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as the AAPS puts it.
en.wikipedia.org...
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1943. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism.
originally posted by: carsforkids
Pretty much nails it for me. The President without a word shows the whole nation he would ask nothing of us that he wouldn't do himself to beat covid