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Latest death tolls due to COVID 19 policies which exceed death by virus

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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
Your suicide number are to date. Realistically, this will have a compounding effect for years to come. People will be committing suicide years down the road — for events being played out now. It’s very sad.


The suicide numbers are based on the average annual numbers and has nothing to do with reported suicides. That whole page is automated with averages and as such is meaningless in this discussion.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

He lives in a rural area. Everything is done at the hospital. He has to go there especially with his insurance. One size doesn't fit all.

My cousin is an ICU nurse. So far they have had exactly six patients in ICU. The entire hospital has never had more than 20 people in there at one time. They are using 20% of their beds. They have had layoffs in nursing, housekeeping, dietary and administration. They are re-opening next week. This is NOT the same area where my Brother-in-Law lives.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

Did you bother to read all the other links?

Do you care?

Or is the "good of the many worth the death of a few?" except now the numbers are reversing and more people are beginning to die of unintended consequences of socialist/communist style policies enacted by many state Governors, that put the needs of the 0.01% of the population of the US who have actually died of COVID 19 ahead of the needs of the 95%+.

Go back to the meaningless source and see how many in the US have died of COVID 19, the population of the US is 330,000,000 and do the math please to see that 99% of the people did not die, yet their humanitarian needs are now being totally ignored in favor of highly socialist/communistic policies enacted by state Governors, beyond the initial crises.

Governor Newsom announced today that he may not reopen California's economy until their is a vaccine. www.sfgate.com...

Which may be never. www.msn.com...



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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies

S+F. Surprisingly, it's the second page and the usual characters haven't popped up saying that suicide can't be spread from person to person, etc. It's a damn shame is that suicides will likely only continue to increase as more people unnecessarily lose their jobs and homes.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: blueman12

I've got a Brother-in-Law who was diagnosed with Cancer in March. The doctor's want chemo, but he can't get it until they let the hospitals re-open.



He needs to get a new doctor. Everyone i know with cancer is still getting their regular treatments. They don't go to the hospital to get them. Call the oncology centers in your area and ask if they are giving cancer treatments. They will all say yes.


Please read these articles:

www.wbtv.com... Non-Essential cancer appointment postponed


(put in www. and before thelencet - hyperlink doesn't work) thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30201-1/fulltext

Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (WA, USA), for example, has postponed non-urgent appointments

news.sky.com... The UK cancelled cancer treatments

www.mdedge.com... skin cancer treatment "deferred" during COVID crises

consumer.healthday.com... ml recommendation that cancer treatments be delayed

(put in www. and before sgo - hyperlink doesn't work) sgo.org/clinical-practice/management/covid-19-resources-for-health-care-practitioners/surgical-considerations-for-gynecologic-oncologists-during-the-c ovid-19-pandemic/

2 month delay in cancer surgery deemed acceptable due to COVID 19

www.archyde.com... Cancer treatment delays due to coronavirus

It is real my friend, cancer treatments are being "deferred" "delayed" until COVID 19 closures end, even if you don't believe it.




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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: peter_kandra
a reply to: The2Billies

S+F. Surprisingly, it's the second page and the usual characters haven't popped up saying that suicide can't be spread from person to person, etc. It's a damn shame is that suicides will likely only continue to increase as more people unnecessarily lose their jobs and homes.


It is getting harder and harder to defend the outright anti-humanitarianism of the anti-liberty crowd.

The anti-liberty people are still there as are many anti-liberty Governors who are vowing to keep "their people" locked in for as long as it takes, like Governor Newsom and Whitmer. These Governors are showing that deep in their hearts they truly believe totalitarian dictatorship and communist style control is what is best for "their people". They don't care one bit about the human toll, they appear to believe the human toll is simply collateral damage when it comes to their agenda.

"My body, my choice" is something that the Democratic State Governors no longer believe in, it appears to me.


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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 12:17 PM
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Why not allow people the right to choose "my body, my choice" now that the surge is over and more people are dying from "lockdowns" than from the deaths the lockdowns are intended to prevent.


Because that only applies to women that want to murder their unborn child because it's a clump of cells and an inconvenience.




posted on May, 7 2020 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Grambler

What’s mind boggling is, many people think WE are callous for wanting to go back to normal life (we don’t care about old people). While at the same time, criticize and downplay the adverse Collateral damage this virus has caused.

Zoom up people. Look at the bigger picture. Why is that so difficult for some?


Because the only people that seem to matter at all are the ones that are wildly waving the "I'm vulnerable and more special than you, so protect ME" banner. Eff the 50-something guy/girl with early-stage cancer, the elective treatments to beat it quicker and easier NOW don't matter as much as Maude the 80 year old isolating at home does.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: neo96



Why not allow people the right to choose "my body, my choice" now that the surge is over and more people are dying from "lockdowns" than from the deaths the lockdowns are intended to prevent.


Because that only applies to women that want to murder their unborn child because it's a clump of cells and an inconvenience.




Wrong, so wrong.

It MUST apply to everyone, equally, it is a human right as those who first used the phrase are always saying.

It should be the call of those who want to live a life of freedom and who want the right to pursue happiness returned to them from the state Governors who have taken liberty and happiness away from the people in their states.

I think it is the perfect mantra for the pro-liberty people!

My Body, My Choice - I can choose what to do with my body, including isolating myself or not, including wearing a mask, or not, including going out in public or not, including going to work or not.

It is my fundamental right to choose whether or not I put myself in harms way now that the surge is over and we know hospitals will not be overwhelmed. Especially since 40% of Americans say they will stay isolated after all restrictions are lifted, keeping the infection rate well below overwhelming hospitals.

If the phrase doesn't apply to this situation, then it doesn't apply to abortion either, can't have it both ways, either you believe people have the right to control their health and bodies or you don't.




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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

I know it's wrong.

We live in the land of selective liberty for protected classes.

When it comes to the collapse of civilization from a germ. We have to live so we can be ruled over by sycophants.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Grambler

What’s mind boggling is, many people think WE are callous for wanting to go back to normal life (we don’t care about old people). While at the same time, criticize and downplay the adverse Collateral damage this virus has caused.

Zoom up people. Look at the bigger picture. Why is that so difficult for some?


Because the only people that seem to matter at all are the ones that are wildly waving the "I'm vulnerable and more special than you, so protect ME" banner. Eff the 50-something guy/girl with early-stage cancer, the elective treatments to beat it quicker and easier NOW don't matter as much as Maude the 80 year old isolating at home does.


Amen sister. I’ve got a cousin who is a doctor in NY City. He’s got advanced prostate cancer. HE can’t even get the surgery he needs.
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posted on May, 7 2020 @ 06:21 PM
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My uncle in Georgia has had his bone cancer treatment go along as normal.

There is no evidence that cancer is not being treated due to the virus..... Personal testimonies are not proof of anything, especially here.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 06:38 PM
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There was something brought to my attention earlier today about the covi-deaths. I think these deaths are mixed as hell. It's beginning to look like most living things, if not all, have the "virus" or a type of the virus that can be dangerous in certain individuals that were already going to die from other causes. What's different here may be the same factors involved with the many deaths from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant contamination of Tokohu.

The radiation exposure wasn't enough to kill anyone but the very poor health people, but many died anyways. Why? Well it was mostly the stress of both being forced to evacuate due to a nuclear disaster right after a massive earthquake, and the on going stress of not knowing how much radiation the people were exposed to. These stressors caused the human body to wear it self down, and caused some to commit suicide and others to literally stress themselves to death.

I am not saying that the Corona Virus isn't real, but rather that alone the virus is harmless. It's only when a person is weakened by other outstanding factors is when the virus becomes dangerous. So it would seem that not stressing out might be as good advice as going to the Doctor when you're feeling like crap too.

I also want to say that I may be wrong, but the research into what caused the deaths to the Tokohu evacuees needs to be look at in regards to this viral outbreak.



posted on May, 7 2020 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: blueman12

You can choose to self quarantine.



posted on May, 8 2020 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

This is total BS. People are still getting their cancer treatments when they need them. My household has had 3 treatments since the lockdown started, no cancellations, no delays, nothing. And the Oncology office says that pretty much everyone is still coming to their appointments. And show me the suicide numbers that are anything more than a small fraction of the number of COVID cases. They use to put people in mental hospitals who believed this type of garbage.

What you don't seem to realize is that many procedures are elective, even many procedures to treat cancers. I know this because right before the outbreak I had a family member undergo elective surgery for cancer. Had the outbreak started a couple of weeks earlier the surgery would be been delayed and my relative probably would have died, because after the procedure the doctor mentioned how it was right on the verge of spreading to a degree where surgery wouldn't be possible. I've seen at least a dozen other members describe similar circumstances related to elective treatments, yet you still think these people should be put into a mental hospital.
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posted on May, 8 2020 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: jrod
My uncle in Georgia has had his bone cancer treatment go along as normal.

There is no evidence that cancer is not being treated due to the virus..... Personal testimonies are not proof of anything, especially here.


It seems everything has taken a back seat to keeping the 1% of people safe (less than 0.01% of the US population has died from COVID) while the 99% are left to suffer what has become an existence where children are locked in with their abusers where no one can see or know what is happening: where people have become convinced their lives are worthless and hopeless and commit suicide, in TN the suicide rate 2 weeks ago exceeded the COVID deaths: where people who need medical treatment are terrified to go to the hospital because the media told them they will catch COVID and WILL die if they walk in the door to get treatment - so they die at home - give birth at home - terrified to get medical care in record numbers: etc (see OP)

You can deny the inhuman and evil things that are happening,
like cancer patients unable to get treatment in many states,
but they are happening.
The evidence has been presented in other comments in this thread
and I'll add a few more.
www.wbtv.com... khn.org... www.reddit.com... www.webmd.com...

We are living in a time where man's inhumanity to man
will be the defining feature of this generation.
I don't care what happens to ..... as long as
I don't catch a virus that has killed 0.01% of the population.
This is inhumanity.

The other defining thing of this generation
will be it's deep desire for totalitarian dictators
to tell them what they must do
(people begging Governors to lock the population up in house arrest
and keep them locked up until there is the "magic" vaccine)
and how quickly the population obeyed oppressive
and sometimes draconian orders
from self styled petty dictators like Whitmer.

Re-read the OP:
Now MORE people are dying from the unintended consequences
of "lockdowns" than are dying of COVID 19 and no one,
not a single politician, not CNN, not MSNBC,
not the NY Times, not NBC or ABC or CBS,
certainly not Governors like Cuomo, Whitmer or Newsom, etc.
give a rats behind about "those people" who died from
the unintended consequences of the lockdowns.

Certainly the anti-liberty crowd who are begging for longer and longer lockdowns
to keep them safe while people die around them of unintended consequences,
don't care about those who have died due to their selfish demands.
This is what passes for compassion these days, how very sad and pathetic.


BTW your little anecdote about who you know is as worthless as
what you accuse the many others of since there are proofs and links
to back up the denial of healthcare for "non-essential" illnesses
(practically anything but COVID).

To the point where thousands upon thousands of Doctors and nurses were laid off all over the nation. www.usatoday.com...


"My body, my choice"


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posted on May, 10 2020 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: The2Billies
It is not from "economic" problems alone.

Lockdown for many was a soul sucking experience. They were left helpless and told that to go outside was to die from COVID 19, and there was nothing they could do about it.

They were left feeling worthless, there was nothing of real worth or value to do for many in their isolated hovels, and they saw that.

While I do believe it exposes just how many people are totally dependent on and hopelessly enslaved to the system (in that they actually care what these useless, worthless talking heads say)...

It is basically just plain old psychological warfare against the people of this nation.

It is time to stand up to these tyrannical fascists, and just say no more.



posted on May, 10 2020 @ 04:40 PM
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I don't really know what to think of suicides as a result of this mess. Any suicide is tragic, that goes without saying.

It's not easy to phrase this in a way that doesn't sound callous, but I spent the first 5 years of my life living in a car or tents in Maine. I got the sh!t beat out of me fairly regularly by my mother's string of idiot boyfriends until I was about 7 or 8 and then it was just my stepdad occasionally taking the belt to me for good reasons, like walking across the living or not eating fast enough. Suffice to say, the first 10 years of my life weren't exactly filled with a lot of fun.

I'd have to believe there are some pretty severe underlying issues with individuals opting for suicide right now. I can understand losing everything, to an extent. Maybe my POV is skewed because I was born into nothing and was kicked while I was down there, before I even knew what 'something' was. I've certainly spent plenty of time daydreaming of suicide in my past, enough to know that if I lost everything now, suicide would not be an option.

People abusing kids/spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends because of this? They're trash.

So many things can happen in our lives that can take everything away from you, it just seems daft to chalk up this mess as the sole contributor of suicides.

I would hope by this point that people who need to be getting chemo are able to do so. The entire point of this was to not overwhelm our hospitals. Again, I fall back on extreme lack of preparation. At the very least, re-locate chemo treatments to a local hotel chain that's inspected and clean enough to allow it to happen.

I understand my upbringing and learning early on that a backup plan is always necessary in case SHTF certainly skews my POV. I suppose you can count me in with those that think we've gotten far too comfortable with life carrying on as normal, because when S DOES HTF, this is the mess we're left in.



posted on May, 10 2020 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

You are ignoring the facts.

COVID was the leading cause of death in the US in the month of April.

It will be one of the top 3 causes of dwath for May.

You can say what you want but conservatives support authoritarian rule much more than liberals.

About 5% of those infected have died, that is much higher that your claim. The sources are out there but is futile to take the time to provide them to someone like you, whose will write it off as 'fake news'.



posted on May, 10 2020 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: The2Billies

You are ignoring the facts.

COVID was the leading cause of death in the US in the month of April.

It will be one of the top 3 causes of dwath for May.

About 5% of those infected have died, that is much higher that your claim. The sources are out there but is futile to take the time to provide them to someone like you, whose will write it off as 'fake news'.


Leading cause means #1.

Add together all the other deaths mentioned, the ones caused directly by anti-liberty and anti-humanitarian policies and they exceed COVID death. Please do the math

The latest study done in the UK, using massive numbers, and a record number of antibody tests, show that the actual death rate is closer to 0.75% www.dailymail.co.uk...

There are 330,000,000 million people in the US, go to this site Covid human toll: www.worldometers.info... and get today's death numbers from COVID 19 in the US. Once again do the math, less than 1% of US citizens have died of COVID 19.

If you don't know how to do the math, look it up, it is easy to find with a tiny bit of research.

Seems like your research is a tad old, it was the death rate based on those who were sick enough to go to a hospital and get tested, not on the general public.

I guess math and logic aren't your strong suit, that's ok. Not everyone can figure these things out.

My guess is you only watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times etc. who think children dying from being locked in with their abusers is well worth it, as are suicide rates higher than COVID death rates - tennesseestar.com... - not saying its fake news, just heartless anti-liberty and anti-humanitarian in it's basic outlook and stance

So do you think child abuse through the roof is worth it?
Do you think suicide rates among young adults caused by isolation is worth it?
Do you think people being denied non-urgent care and dying from lack of care is worth it?
Do you think people terrified of going to the hospital and dying at home from preventable deaths is worth it?
Do you think the horrific rise in substance abuse and addiction is worth it?
My guess is that you do think all of this is worth it even thought 99% of the population won't die from COVID 19 and even though even 99% of people who catch COVID 19 won't die.

But that's ok for you to think that, after all the media has convinced you that to get closer to any human than 6 feet, to go out in public is to absolutely and positively catch COVID 19 and you will absolutely and positively die. I can't blame you for listening to and believing the media and Democratic Governors. A little sad, but certainly understand how you believe you will die an horrible and terrible death if you leave your house.

Take heart my dear,
NO ONE is going to force you to leave your house.
NO ONE is going to force you to be within 6 feet of another human every again.
NO ONE is going to force you to not to wear a mask in public.
That is what freedom is, the government not telling people what they can and can not do with their bodies.

My body, my choice, was the liberal mantra, too bad it is no longer true in the US.

BTW, go back to the OP, 90% of the sources are from highly liberal sources that you would love, guess you didn't bother to read the sources in the OP.


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