Finding a Solution for the Generations

Now is as good a time as any to think about community and reciprocity. Many people around the world are facing serious changes in their day to day lives, and, worse yet, highly uncertain/unknown futures, and I think that we should try to offer as much good faith to our fellows as we can. On one hand, I agree with the notion of protecting our vulnerable from harm and illness; on the other, I implore the elders of our society to do their part to help ensure the younger generations have access to the same opportunities they were granted in their own youth.
Most elders no longer have the pressing and real stress of maintaining a livelihood and providing a home and future for their families. Additionally, until now, we all have benefitted from interacting with society and peers, from smiles and hugs, from conventions and meetings of minds, from unfettered travels to Paris, Tokyo, Egypt, or even local trips, things as simple as going to the grocery store or walking through the park. That the world now has to give up so much of what makes life worth living (and I’m looking at it from my 7 year old’s perspective, especially) is horrible.
None of the options yet offered are palatable. Does anyone here want to brainstorm ideas about how all generations can work together to recover all we are losing once the immediate threat to lives has passed?

a reply to: zosimov

Stamping out bad actors in our government should be a top priority for all tax paying citizens.

Also educating the masses about how the greedy politicians only "gave them" $1,200 (those who qualify) and injected trillions into the markets so that the bad actors can get reelected (even though the economic damage of these decisions will result in major consequences down the road).

Sorry I don't have anything more positive to bring to the table right now, but the sheer stupidity of the masses and the audacity and corruption of our elected officials really has me feeling discouraged about the future of America and the livelihoods of all generations that will be negatively affected by this for decades to come

a reply to: FamCore

Hey, FamCore, well that's much more than I had to offer and a really good start!

I have no solutions to offer at all at this point and am wracking my brain to get some together. I think it all begins with discussion and sharing of ideas, so thank you!!
I hope you and yours are not too badly impacted, wishing you all the best.

a reply to: zosimov

I think a lot of States are already doing what you are implicitly suggesting.

Urging senior citizens to stay at home.

Opening up businesses again, provided they adhere to social distancing and mask wearing.

That is good. Then the next step is opening up schools.

Then the next step is mass transport/international transport with distancing.

Then the next step is opening up public events.

We are about halfway there.

Actually I do have one more thing to add.... the Hollywood actors/actresses "raising money for the WHO" is also truly despicable when LA has its own major homeless problem and the WHO screwed the entire global economy by neglecting to call it a pandemic when it was already in dozens of countries and fit the definition of a pandemic.


I hope you and yours are also safe and healthy during these times. We still have an income and hopefully that remains intact. However my company furloughed more than 40 employees that I personally supervised and onboarded, and 8 employees who were direct reports of mine were also furloughed. Tough times to say the least, my heart breaks for everyone struggling right now, I just wish I could do more to help

Love the premise

I think though.. That a lot of issues run so deeply that its difficult to address.

I am of the mind that most of them are quite longstanding, and the current situation just precipitated failure.

Add in conspiracies (gasp!) about narrative control, and things get wonky. Fast.

I like the idea of a return to self-sufficiency and autonomy, but leveraged with technology and the connectivity it can provide. The best of both worlds, in a sense. I think that pretty much sums it up for me, and the methods and means for it to happen are probably as numerous as the population itself.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

I think you're right. Urging our seniors to stay home is another situation I hope to avoid in the near future--I just don't think it's ultimately sustainable either.

Life is going to start back up again. I guess what I'm trying to feel out is what is that life going to look like? Which changes will be temporary and which will be pushed for the long term?

originally posted by: Serdgiam
Love the premise

I think though.. That a lot of issues run so deeply that its difficult to address.

I am of the mind that most of them are quite longstanding, and the current situation just precipitated failure.

Add in conspiracies (gasp!) about narrative control, and things get wonky. Fast.

I like the idea of a return to self-sufficiency and autonomy, but leveraged with technology and the connectivity it can provide. The best of both worlds, in a sense. I think that pretty much sums it up for me, and the methods and means for it to happen are probably as numerous as the population itself.

I think you're right in that there are many issues here at work and layers to wade through. I really loved the ideas you have put forth in your recent threads and hope the right people read them. I think you are on to something with some innovative ways to solve some of our more pressing problems (energy, food sources).

Thanks, Serdgiam! Have a good one!!

originally posted by: FamCore
Actually I do have one more thing to add.... the Hollywood actors/actresses "raising money for the WHO" is also truly despicable when LA has its own major homeless problem and the WHO screwed the entire global economy by neglecting to call it a pandemic when it was already in dozens of countries and fit the definition of a pandemic.


I hope you and yours are also safe and healthy during these times. We still have an income and hopefully that remains intact. However my company furloughed more than 40 employees that I personally supervised and onboarded, and 8 employees who were direct reports of mine were also furloughed. Tough times to say the least, my heart breaks for everyone struggling right now, I just wish I could do more to help

I agree with you one hundred percent. The WHO has lost all crediblilty in my mind. I don't want any of our solutions coming from an institution which has repeatedly failed to do its job.

According to the zeitgeist, this opinion makes me a Trump supporter, which we all know is akin to being a horrible person.

Politicizing a pandemic severely restricts discussion and therefore inhibits us from finding an acceptable solution for all.

a reply to: zosimov

I'm afraid this answer isn't exactly what you're looking for... and I know it's diametrically opposed to the "answers" being imposed on society today... but here it is...

In my experience and opinion, the only real solution is to empower everyone to be as independent and self-sufficient and resourceful as possible, in order to be able to do for themselves and by themselves, and/or with other consenting adults, so that all can live and let live in harmony with others.

It is the very act of thinking that others must do this or that for ourselves that always creates the biggest, most far-reaching and worst problems, with pre-determined winners and losers. It creates an illusion of entitlement and privilege among the "winners." It encourages the "winners" to judge and bully the "losers". It literally creates a system of taking from the "losers" to give to the "winners.

We cannot promote life and living for some by denying life and living to others. We cannot benefit from the wisdom and experience of our elders if we cater to the fear and denial of the young.

a reply to: zosimov

There will definitely be a push for tracking for the long term. Bye bye privacy.
Virus as the excuse.
Whether people take it or not is another matter.

I can also see them push for outlawing cash.
Once again people will still be using it anyway.

a reply to: Boadicea

I partially agree in that the solution I keep returning to can't be (and shouldn't be) imposed by law.
I am almost of the opposite idea in that I think we could benefit more from doing things in respect to others (community service and responsibility). Of course, the more self sufficient we all are, the better equipped we are to offer more to our community, and the less help we need from others. I think that's an important aspect also.

Thanks for adding to the discussion with your excellent comments/ideas!

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: zosimov

There will definitely be a push for tracking for the long term. Bye bye privacy.
Virus as the excuse.
Whether people take it or not is another matter.

I can also see them push for outlawing cash.
Once again people will still be using it anyway.

I think so as well, and that's precisely the area I want to rail the loudest against. I don't consent to more surveillance and control, and hope the majority of US citizens agree and that we'll be able to fight back before it gets out of hand.

a reply to: zosimov

Of course, the more self sufficient we all are, the better equipped we are to offer more to our community, and the less help we need from others. I think that's an important aspect also.

Yes!!!

We are not only more equipped to give to our community, we are more inclined to do so as well. At that point, taking care of those who need to be taken care of is also much less of a burden on those who do, because more people are doing so.

Better yet, the more people can take care of themselves, and the less need to take care of others, then the more time and energy we can devote to new and better things for all.

A rising tide really does lift ALL boats.

a reply to: Boadicea

Better yet, the more people can take care of themselves, and the less need to take care of others, then the more time and energy we can devote to new and better things for all.

I'll expand on your statement, which I fully agree with.
When more people take care of themselves, the very very few that absolutely can't will be taken care of by society without force.

a reply to: zosimov
Go steady there! What you are proposing (even if you wont believe it) is socialism and that to Americans is communism. There are an awful lot on here that will tell you if you or anyone else is a failure (whether is through bad health or monetary circumstances) it's your fault, with statements like "it's the American dream and you aint working hard enough", "you MUST be a serial scrounger, get back to work", "why should I pay for the layabouts" etc. etc.
THIS IS the American way, suck it up cos you wont change it. You'll find that the only people that help vulnerable people are the disadvantaged themselves.

a reply to: zosimov

I think the best chance the new generation has is to go full Shiva the destroyer.

We need to get out of the way like a bad patch of forest that burns to the ground,

We need to accept that we are dead, and let our carcass feed the new world.