UFO FBT Research.

I don't know if this has been mentioned....but former governor of Arizona Fife Symington witnessed a large boomerang shaped craft glide silently over his house the night of the Phoenix lights.

I am going to split this post into two parts almost.

Cause & Effect
When I look at the effects that people have endured during an encounter, my logical mind always goes along the "Cause & Effect" route. Attempting to logically review the effects on the witnesses, what could cause them - what that we know radiates/displays/generates such biological responses and what potentially could be the source of said effects. Almost observing the incident/sighting like a crime scene and working it backwards...

Acute Radiation Sickness for example; there are many symptoms that people report - that are very similar to what people report after "sightings". Not only exposure to radiation but also to many other forms of radiation, Electromagnetic Radiation being one other such example.

Different Perspective
Cause & effect is the route that my brain/bias goes down almost automatically in most instances when I am presented with cases etc. I do like to ask questions and have regularly "mused/thought out loud" here on ATS in quite a few instances where I like to challenge my own set of mental structures and look at approaching something from a different angle and "outside" of my own self.

Perhaps a more interesting set of questions may well be:

Does there need to be an external force that creates an internal biological response?
Could it be possible that the external effect is due to an internal cause?
Does there have to be a "Cause & Effect" at all?

Musing again, we may well be dealing with many different angles here, people like to throw everything in one bucket and hope for the best. We may well be dealing with something that:

Originates from within us biologically
Black Technology that is attempting to artificially mimic an organic process
Black Technology that is simply misidentified and is benign and boring
A Phenomena that is totally separate from any of the above
A set of people who use any combination of the above to push a meme/idea/belief system to meet their own beliefs
NONE of the above and we are all pubes stuck on the rim of the toilet bowl universe

a reply to: penroc3

Yup.

These sort of 'encounters' hit us in what's called our 'mythological center'.
It's 'truer than true' as those who wish to sound wise say.

Our conscious rational minds wish to 'be in charge' and convince us of an
explanation. I.E. it's living, or black tech, or whatever.

but the explanation of our conscious rational mind in a case like this is mostly
ignorant and worthless.

What's happening is at a much deeper level, beyond words.

perhaps that's why we tend to see geometric shapes. Those are more
universal.

a reply to: pigsy2400

"we are all pubes stuck on the rim of the toilet bowl universe"

Some physicists postulate that we are actually in a 2D or 3D space
stuck on the event horizon of a black hole.. where we just think
space/time act as they do, but we re mapped to a different
space. So yes... pubes on a toilet bowl is an apt metaphor.

On a daily basis we presume that we are 'real' that the world is 'real'
and that weird oz stuff is either a lie, a delusion, or at a minimum
undiscovered physics that seems 'not real'.

but we can't presume that we are the real ones, and 'the other' is the
not real. We have no proof of that.

That's one of the reasons UFOlogy goes nowhere.

The observer is part of the system as a whole.. it's not too different
than macro scale quantum effects.. which by the way are becoming
increasingly possible to test.

All this rarified stuff said, in the USA anyway, there's an 80% chance
that anything we see is either delusion, hysteria or part of some government
experiment where we are the lab rats. I don't argue that.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What's happening is at a much deeper level, beyond words.

In my halfassed investigations in the 4corners and San Luis valley, that's what I concluded as well. I know it's woowoo but there seemed to be a religious vibe as well. Probably just my Southern Baptist upbringing cropping up.

a reply to: olaru12

It's easy to fall into 'mysticism', which 99% of that is just wrong.

but there certainly is something there, that's not just woo woo.

It might be our last adventure as humans to come to understand a bit of it someday.

It probably won't happen on ATS, and certainly not by tomorrow!

Kev

a reply to: karl 12

- 95% of their incursions are nocturnal;

the 'critters' that I studied for all those years,
rarely if EVER came out except at night.

For some reason, during dusk is a good time,
but of course something like 3 AM local time
is one of the best times.

a reply to: karl 12

the way that they move is memorizing almost hypnotic

when the 3 i have seen left no matter the small one or the 2 bigger ones all left with the flat end first.

not very aerodynamic if you ask me and must be a reason for it, other than the fact that they can.

i always hold a little detail i have seen with all 3 sightings that i RARELY read about as a way to vet their claims


there are so many sighting that are clear BS, all three i have seen all have a certain way of moving and doing survalance or at least what appears to be surveillance.

the classic BBT's are so large but no one ever asks why? I have seen with my own eyes a smaller BT so clearly they can be made.

what are the bigger ones carrying? and where are they going with it?

i guess they could be a base you could fly somewhere and land and everything is already built.

that makes very little sense to me.

the only reason you need a big aircraft is to carry allot of stuff or people.

even in the white world we know about soda can sized reactors that can put out 100's of kilowatts.

so any power generation could be very compact and would explain the strange color of the 'lights'

the white lit corners with a blue tint could be chekov radiation and even the amber 'lights' could be a material heated to incandescent heat.


look at the Cash Landrum incident.

i wonder if some of the brilliant lights seen on UFO's aren't really lights but rather vents from a reactor or some type of synchrotron radiation.

the Cash Landrum event melted the plastic dash boards and microwaved the car to the point it burnt the flesh of one of the women.

if you take that 'ufo' on its side it would be very very similar looking to a triangle

i think that's why some people have burns and bruises or other strange marks on them, microwave or even a strong terahertz emissions being pit off by the craft and would explain allot of the strangeness around UFOs, cars stopping, phones and radios not working, to effects of some of the stranger side of UFO's

a reply to: penroc3

As you know, I 100% disagree with everything you said there,
and I too hold back things to ascertain if someone is BSing me.

;-)

It's nice to have differing opinions of course.. I learn things
sometimes.

Remember, I was the certified government nuclear engineer,
so I call bull# on so much of this sort of tech talk.

But at my highest I only had a top secret clearance.. so who
knows, right?

Oh, I do agree that Cash-Landrum may have been a nuclear
airplane. It does NOT fit any of the 'strange models' at all,
and there's zero doubt about the radiation burns.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

yes i know

there were clearly classic BT's around before any radical tech that we currently have and than there is the possibility its a mental projection of sorts or aliens

if i were the USAF I would do everything in my power to make contact(whatever that means) with the more esoteric flying BT's or do our best to replicate its modes of flight, and may have gotten lucky and found a crashed one or maybe one that was left behind for whatever reason.


in your opinion what do you think the 'lights' on the outside of these craft are for?

I've wondered if whoever is in them is using the lights like an angler fish using a lighted lure to catch its meal.

in one case i saw it looked like it was flying a grid pattern [jumping from one spot to another] and using alittle white/yellow beam to illuminate whatever it was pointing it at.

i just dont understand why you would need such a LARGE ship that just zips around apparently doing nothing other than giving onlookers a good show.

these BT's are clearly advanced enough to do what ever it is they are doing from WAY WAY WAY up in the sky/edge of space where we would never see them, there is some reason for the show and tell(human or otherwise)

a reply to: penroc3

WELLL NOWWWW..

yes, JV and I discussed that there probably are both
'black tech knock offs' and paranormal triangles'.

I think the black tech is overhyped, and of course
many people think the 'paranormal triangles' are
over hyped

in your opinion what do you think the 'lights' on the outside of these craft are for?

That's a great question.

Now my friend, a pilot, said that 'constant red' means do not approach.

the 'BTUFO' I saw was 'abnormal' in that it had only red lights at the
vertices and had that arc-light powerful central light, reminiscent
of some of the Arclight seen in the great air ship times.

Now.. for a bit, there was a search beam, but it also looked like tentacles.

Since those 'triangles' can turn into elves offering pancakes, I don't worry
too much about the physical shapes and features, but of course the
'projection' has a sense of humor, so it does hide clues in it.. for funsies.

I don't know what the corner lights are supposed to be in terms of humor.

I've wondered if whoever is in them is using the lights like an angler fish using a lighted lure to catch its meal.

That's a good thought there!

Sometimes JV had it DEAD RIGHT, and its as you say:

i just dont understand why you would need such a LARGE ship that just zips around apparently doing nothing other than giving onlookers a good show.

When you watch TV, you don't leap up and try to attack
a dog on the screen.. your dog sitting with you might
attempt that.

The ONLY purpose of the 5% of 'UFOs' that are real, is to
mess with our heads and bodies.

What are 'they' doing?

Well, I hate to sound like a Buddhist, but it's also 'us'.

We are screwing with ourselves, in a manner of
speaking.

I don't have all the answers, obviously.

"Reality is a group effort".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

i hate to be one of those people but i sent you a PM. my inbox never lets me know.

a reply to: penroc3

It's no problem. Hell, @str0 and I PM'ed.
There, now I'm one of those people too.

--

I got your PM. But I don't see why you
couldn't have just posted it.

I'd just like to re-iterate my position on BTUFOs:

1) It's possible that there are knockoff USG craft that
look similar to what people view as "BTUFO". I can't say
for certain.

These craft could be photographed.

2) 'Real' 'BTUFO' like some people experience, probably
could NOT be photographed. Not with any run of the
mill camera anyway. Probably not with IR or anything
like that.

So, ergot, if you snap a picture of what you think is an
alien/occult 'BTUFO' it's not.

Either it's misperception, fraud, or a knock off.

That's my position.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

i didn't post it because i dont want to argue with people about it being real or some once in a lifetime event, and there isnt much to say about it other than it being an interesting part of the story and i thought you would find it interesting.

i wonder if i saw something because i went out with intent to capture something even 'projecting' the desire to see something. I have wondered if most 'ufos' are not used as some sort of communication devices that some people for what ever reason can pick up on.

in my most close encounter i KNEW it was out there, it was a feeling of being watched but much more intense and i was so sure i had my camera ready to get a pic of what was in my yard

Do you think a ghost could be captured with a camera?


also do you think altered states of mind can lift the veil so we can get a peak maybe even provoke a sighting of something

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: penroc3

Now my friend, a pilot, said that 'constant red' means do not approach.

the 'BTUFO' I saw was 'abnormal' in that it had only red lights at the
vertices and had that arc-light powerful central light, reminiscent
of some of the Arclight seen in the great air ship times.

Now.. for a bit, there was a search beam, but it also looked like tentacles.

Would the craft have been similar to this? Just curious....

a reply to: penroc3

I have wondered if most 'ufos' are not used as some sort of communication devices that some people for what ever reason can pick up on.

Not a bad thought.

Now, I don't mean anything demonic (might have to define that some day),

but UFOs are like Ouija boards.

I'll leave you with that thought for now.

Kev

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Nope.



When it wasn't in the form of a cheese sandwich
or whatever it was feeling like looking like.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Nope.


When it wasn't in the form of a cheese sandwich
or whatever it was feeling like looking like.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I see your drawing (I 180’d it on my end) as some similarities to the vids I Re-posted (posted on Oct, 13 2020 @ 04:14 PM) in a reply I did to the Blue Shift op of the link above.

Play through the short vids all the way through if you have not done so. Just a kind suggestion. Red could be a deep amber under atmospheric conditions in combination with the video capturing device settings. Just a thought.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

this form was only one of about 10 it assumed
during the approx 2 minutes it was perceived.

But it was the initial form, so that's why I
sketched it.

I personally didn't own a cell phone with a
camera, and didn't even own a camera of
any kind.

The thought never occurred to me to take
a picture of it, as the thought that it was
physically that solid never was up for
discussion in my own mind.

The rivets and shape-shifting also make
me dubious anything would have been
captured photographically.

But if I had it to do all over again?
I would have a camera handy.