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Mass Testing for Covid-19 is Futile - Best to Accept That It Exists and Return To Living Normally.

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posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 02:15 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

A test is what a doctor does to you when you visit him/her for any reason.

Doctor needs to know what is your problem in order to give you a treatment.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 04:19 AM
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"Best to Accept That It Exists and Return To Living Normally"

Thats what Sweden did. Only that they never panicked and crashed their own system for a flu season. Again, i know that Covid-19 is horrible. But that Corona virus not as contagious a other corona viruses like the normal flu virus. The more they test, the lower the mortality rate. Last night i saw Dr Alexander Kekulé on TV and he said exactly this: We have to live with a flu season every year, up to 25.000 people can die in such a season in Germany, did we ever crash our economy because of that fact? We have 15-20.000 dead people every year because of hospital germs here, did we change something, closed down those hospitals and crashed our system? People die in the daily traffic, did we forbid to ride cars, motorbikes etc and crashed our economy? 400.000 dead because of fine dust pollution in Europe per year, did we ever crash the economy because of that? Why are we doing this now?

And i guess he is absolutely right.

Life is risk, do we kill people because these people could maybe(with a very low chance) get ill and die?

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posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: carewemust

Do you also have a a message for the people working in te medical industry on how they should prepare for your solution, how should they deal with this virus if they get overwhelmed?


Because telling people to wait until they're blue won't work just as well later as it's working now? And then just slap 'em on a ventilator with an almost guaranteed death sentence?

They have had plenty of time to make better plans (if they are truly so inclined) -- to re-purpose buildings and spaces, to re-train healthcare personnel specifically for treating CoV patients, to manufacture surplus protective gear, etc.

Most hospitals are operating far under capacity as it is. Only a handful of hospitals are overwhelmed now. They've had plenty of opportunity to prepare.


I agree 100%. My daughter went to the ER a week before nationwide lockdown. She had a high fever, she had trouble breathing, her breathing was horribly painful. She was never tested for COVID 19. She was given opioid for pain and sent home with cough syrup. Sent home when she couldn't breathe, and told to come back if she got worse.
This was a recipe to guarantee death if she returned to the hospital for more assistance.

This was before there were more than a handful of official cases in her hospital. It seems the healthcare industry had rules that practically guaranteed people admitted would die.

They knew that 80% of people put on ventilators long term (more than a day or two) die from being on the ventilator and yet demanded more of them than they were ever able to use, knowing that this treatment was a death sentence for 80% of patients.

Something is not right, even with the healthcare system. Turns out that thousands upon thousands of Doctors and Nurses were laid off, not overworked, laid off. Hospital beds were vastly underutilized and hospitals in most places were ghost wards.

Something here is not right.

The result, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were stripped from most US citizens. Lockdown was a soul sucking life of helplessness and worthlessness, not life, a zombie like existence for which only breathing constituted living.

Liberty was denied as most US citizens were put under what amounts to a house arrest, for doing what, nothing, and then they were forced for 6 weeks or more to do nothing in solitary confinement for many.

The pursuit of happiness was denied entirely to most of the nation, one was only "allowed" to be happy within solitary confinement in ones home and not allowed under penalty to pursue happiness outside the home.

Many Governors seemed ok with this and some seemed to relish the God like power they felt they had to strip their citizens of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for nearly 2 months or more, some still have not returned any of this at all to their citizens and I wonder if they ever will, power is addictive.

Since the virus is a variant of a cold virus and there has never been a vaccine for a cold virus since it mutates so quickly, the Governors can use this as an excuse to strip citizens of constitutional rights for as long as they desire. Already there are more than 40 known mutations of COVID 19. Making it the perfect virus to enact martial law ad infinitum upon the whim of Governors already drunk with power.

Either US citizens accept the loss of liberty and the pursuit of happiness stripped from us by Governors, or they see something is rotten to the core with demands by many in the media and politicians to keep citizens under martial law light until there is a vaccine.




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posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: carewemust

Do you also have a a message for the people working in te medical industry on how they should prepare for your solution, how should they deal with this virus if they get overwhelmed?


Those who were laid off due to lack of work, will be called back to work.





So just get back to work then...


Yes, I think so.
Go to a home improvement store. They are packed. If we can go to packed grocery and home improvement stores by virtue of wearing a mask (which, up to about a week and a half ago, the employees in those stores were not wearing masks), then we can go to work with a mask on our faces.
I am at work now. I have not lost a day of work since this whole thing started. I am wearing a mask and we, as a company are practicing social distancing.
Why can't everyone else do that too?
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posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 07:09 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: carewemust

Do you also have a a message for the people working in te medical industry on how they should prepare for your solution, how should they deal with this virus if they get overwhelmed?


Those who were laid off due to lack of work, will be called back to work.





So just get back to work then...


Yes, I think so.
Go to a home improvement store. They are packed. If we can go to packed grocery and home improvement stores by virtue of wearing a mask (which, up to about a week and a half ago, the employees in those stores were not wearing masks), then we can go to work with a mask on our faces.
I am at work now. I have not lost a day of work since this whole thing started. I am wearing a mask and we, as a company are practicing social distancing.
Why can't everyone else do that too?

Because it is not about a virus...... it is a system change!!!!

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posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

You realise there is only one reason we are all in lockdown right? It isn't for our safety well not in that sense, it isn't because the government wants to keep us apart for some nefarious reason. It's so the healthcare system doesn't get overwhelmed. I've seen a lot of posts online and threads on here about a secret government plan to use this to become an Orwellian state, firstly it's so unlikely that'll happen in most Western countries most especially in countries like the US (sadly I'm not so sure about the UK) where the majority are so patriotic that they would stand in their own doorways and fight off the army if it meant they were fighting for their freedom (the UK has some but the patriotic ones are being beaten down I mean in most places you can't even hang the country flag outside without getting a knock on the door lol), this is all down to protecting the healthcare system.

If we open doors and send out all the people, if we say "You might get infected buuuuut you might not. Have a nice day" a lot of people would become paranoid and others wouldn't care and slowly you will see the numbers rise and the hospitals will become packed with people and not be able to cope and no before someone says I need to stop listening to the msm I have a brother in law who is a Murse (Male Nurse).



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies

I hope your daughter is doing much better now. For those who get hit hard, I know it takes a while to get back up to par, and it sure ain't easy or pleasant. Not for the patient, and not for the loved ones watching them suffer. I wish her (and your family) the best.

This was before there were more than a handful of official cases in her hospital. It seems the healthcare industry had rules that practically guaranteed people admitted would die.

They knew that 80% of people put on ventilators long term (more than a day or two) die from being on the ventilator and yet demanded more of them than they were ever able to use, knowing that this treatment was a death sentence for 80% of patients.

Something is not right, even with the healthcare system.

This cannot be said enough. The high death rates are directly attributed to the refusal to use noninvasive treatments FIRST. I have given my husband and kids strict instructions that if we get sick enough for hospital care, we will refuse to be intubated -- "DNI" orders are our best chance to survive once hospitalized.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Dwoodward85


...slowly you will see the numbers rise and the hospitals will become packed with people and not be able to cope...

If that's truly the case, then they need to get their arses in gear and make alternative arrangements. Repurpose spaces and buildings. Re-train or provide new training to medical personnel specific to CoV. Educate and inform the people how to take care of themselves before and after contracting the virus to minimalize hospitalization at all.

In fact, if that were truly the problem, they would have already been doing it, and we wouldn't be having this conversation..



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 09:30 AM
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We here in the UK are at the mercy of an incompetent government that constantly speaks about following the science, whilst kowtowing to a group of 'specialists' that is largely unknown.
And what we do know of one of them is deeply suspicious: Professor Neil Ferguson. This man and the organisation he works with is a beneficiary of large donations from pharma. He also has links with the Gates Foundation.
And he has history on being very alarmist (nay, downright wrong,) about figures he projects.

Both Public Health England (PHE) and the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) were satisfied that COVID-19 (C19) presented a “low risk” of mortality and downgraded it from the status of a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) on March 19th.

Amongst the members of ACDP Board was one Professor Neil Ferguson from Imperial College. Presumably Prof. Ferguson was among the dissenting voices on the ACDP board as he completely ignored the majority opinion of his scientific colleagues.
He said that infection rates of 60% of the population with a 1% mortality rate were possible. Standing by his prediction of 400,000 C19 deaths in the UK. The Imperial College computer model report was released to the public on 16th March, predicting huge numbers of deaths from C19. By the 19th March Prof. Ferguson must have known a majority of his peers disagreed with him.

So, lets have a look at Prof Fergusons' track record with assessing statistics and predictions:

1: In 2002, he said that 50,000 people in the UK would die from “mad cow disease”, to date less than 200 have passed away.

2: He predicted 200 million global deaths from the H5N1 bird flu. Currently it is a suspected factor in the deaths of 455 people world wide

3:In 2009 he told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK and worked with the World Health Organisation to predict millions of deaths from the H1N1 global flu pandemic. Suspected resultant UK deaths from swine flu were estimated to be 457 and the global total showed 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths from the H1N1 pandemic. The U.S. Center For Disease Control (CDC) claim there were many more, though their estimate varies between 150,000 and 500,000.
It is worth noting that the CDC is heavily funded by flu vaccine manufacturers.

While Prof. Ferguson and his Imperial College colleagues have been consistently wrong they have also been unquestioningly believed by governments and intergovernmental bodies on every occasion. Seemingly without reservation.

Despite the clear evidence to the contrary, policy makers from all political parties have shown tremendous loyalty to Imperial College’s silly data models. In doing so, they have not only ignored the researchers woeful history of failed predictions but have also denied the scientific evidence which usually contradicts them.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
President Trump seems to be diverging from the "experts" who've gotten so much wrong, and using his own good common sense this evening.

He's avoiding his ultimate responsibility: Protecting the nation from hostile forces. Yes that is a period at the end of that statement.

The only answer is, at minimum, ground burst nuclear response on the BSL-4 lab @ Wuhan. At worse, wipe the Chinese off the face of the Earth and let that serve as an example to anyone else who _even thinks_ the development of bio-weapons may (even ever-oh-so remotely) might be an idea worth pursuing.

I'm an advocate of the latter. And, President Trump's delays in carrying out his Primary Responsibility is making me wonder how he's going to get re-elected.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: carewemust

A test is what a doctor does to you when you visit him/her for any reason.

Doctor needs to know what is your problem in order to give you a treatment.


A test after there's a cure/vaccine is not a big deal. Until then, the "positive" person has to be kept in insolation around other positive people for 15 days until he/she recovers, or gets visibly sick. No $$$$. No Family.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: DerBeobachter
"Best to Accept That It Exists and Return To Living Normally"

Thats what Sweden did. Only that they never panicked and crashed their own system for a flu season. Again, i know that Covid-19 is horrible. But that Corona virus not as contagious a other corona viruses like the normal flu virus. The more they test, the lower the mortality rate. Last night i saw Dr Alexander Kekulé on TV and he said exactly this: We have to live with a flu season every year, up to 25.000 people can die in such a season in Germany, did we ever crash our economy because of that fact? We have 15-20.000 dead people every year because of hospital germs here, did we change something, closed down those hospitals and crashed our system? People die in the daily traffic, did we forbid to ride cars, motorbikes etc and crashed our economy? 400.000 dead because of fine dust pollution in Europe per year, did we ever crash the economy because of that? Why are we doing this now?

And i guess he is absolutely right.

Life is risk, do we kill people because these people could maybe(with a very low chance) get ill and die?


Correct. With only 0.03% being killed in the USA by Flu and Covid-19 combined, it's best to go on with our lives until a vaccine is found.

Then, those who are "afraid" can leave their homes, or come back to the country (if they want to).

On the minute chance myself, or someone in the family is killed by this new threat to human life, so be it. That's the same thing I say about all of the threats.

Try to minimize the chances for that happening (wash hands more), but don't go crazy, like "authorities" want us to do.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: carewemust

Do you also have a a message for the people working in te medical industry on how they should prepare for your solution, how should they deal with this virus if they get overwhelmed?

Do you have a message for the people who aren't working and will continue not working for as long as you deem necessary? How long of a lockdown period would you deem necessary? There is zero chance we can totally eradicate Covid-19, if we could do that then we could eliminate every virus. When we go back to business as usual there will be no choice but to live with Covid-19. So what you're really suggesting is indefinite lockdowns because you think there's an outcome which ends better for us the longer we stay inside, but that is absolutely not true. The only thing that approach achieves is prolonged economic deterioration and a longer period before herd immunity is achieved, while at the same time many hospitals are overflowing with equipment not being used. There are several places which have lifted lockdowns and places which never had strict lockdowns, yet their hospitals aren't overflowing with patients. There is zero logic being used in this situation, it's all just fearmongering and virtue signalling, and your post a perfect example of those two things combined in one knee-jerk response.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Snarl

The only answer is, at minimum, ground burst nuclear response on the BSL-4 lab @ Wuhan. At worse, wipe the Chinese off the face of the Earth and let that serve as an example to anyone else who _even thinks_ the development of bio-weapons may (even ever-oh-so remotely) might be an idea worth pursuing.

I'm an advocate of the latter. And, President Trump's delays in carrying out his Primary Responsibility is making me wonder how he's going to get re-elected.

If you're being serious this is a dangerous way of thinking. You're talking about killing billions of innocent people who had absolutely nothing to do with the virus. Even if it was leaked from a lab, which I think is very likely, nuking that lab would be a very inhumane response and would probably trigger a nuclear world war. I'm certainly not a sympathizer of the Chinese communist party but I do have empathy and I know war is never a good solution. If you think Trump would ever take such an action you are very mistaken, he is clearly a man who prefers peaceful diplomatic solutions, which is why he's been able to sit down with some of the most brutal dictators such as the leader of NK. Sure many people will spin it as if Trump is rubbing elbows with like-minded dictators but anyone with common sense knows that is the opposite of the truth. Trump much prefers to achieve a peaceful outcome rather than continue trading threats and starting wars.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm intentionally keeping my response short.

I consider the Chinese killing 62,000 of my countrymen ... with a Bio-Weapon ... worthy of nuclear retaliation. That has also been the long-standing policy of the United States.

If you think Trump would ever take such an action you are very mistaken, he is clearly a man who prefers peaceful diplomatic solutions

His response is weak.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

Good post.

Yes they lied about it since day 1 and the original info came from military intelligence operatives.

So it's all lies and it is definitely a PsyOp.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

Check out this link I was digging through last night:
list of human parasites

I was investigating these, and was amazed to see some of the protozoa etc have 100% incidence rates in undeveloped populations and even sometimes in developed areas too.

Some can be deadly, like these micro worms and stuff.

Go through every listing and check sources (dirty water, not cooking meat properly, getting feces in food or water, etc).

No one seems to care about educating ppl to cook their food and filter water properly, but I've heard "wash your hands" a gazillion times now.

Point is, far more ppl die from some of these parasites yet there's no major health advisory. Cuz no one cares and the govt can't use it to change all these policies or bail out corporate interests.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: carewemust
President Trump seems to be diverging from the "experts" who've gotten so much wrong, and using his own good common sense this evening.

He's avoiding his ultimate responsibility: Protecting the nation from hostile forces. Yes that is a period at the end of that statement.

The only answer is, at minimum, ground burst nuclear response on the BSL-4 lab @ Wuhan. At worse, wipe the Chinese off the face of the Earth and let that serve as an example to anyone else who _even thinks_ the development of bio-weapons may (even ever-oh-so remotely) might be an idea worth pursuing.

I'm an advocate of the latter. And, President Trump's delays in carrying out his Primary Responsibility is making me wonder how he's going to get re-elected.

LMFAO, you think the U.S. is not doing the same? playing with bio weapons?



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 03:40 PM
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And not only does honey actually defeat Covid-19 easily with no harmful side effects, it even beats those parasites I linked above.

here's a study from the NIH showing honey works on protozoa

Super cheap, safe, effective on nearly everything.

And that study was for manuka, which probably isn't the optimum batch type either. We could engineer a honey for specific parasites (or anything else) by choosing the right medicinal plants to grow around the hive.

We could make it 10 to 100 times stronger just by being thoughtful and doing more simple studies then compiling that data.



posted on Apr, 30 2020 @ 03:48 PM
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Would it surprise you to learn that the World Health Organization was involved as well?



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