Tara Reade's former neighbor says yes, she told me about Biden sexually assaulting her.

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: incoserv
If you want to question Trump's fitness for candidacy, start a thread. This thread is about the accusations against Joe Biden. Typically, you are using redirection and obfuscation when your own arguments are inadequate. Not gonna work here.

In truth, this thread is mostly about people on the right pretending to care about sexual assault allegations. And in essence, due to the swamp of Trumps history with women... the hypocrisy of the right.

I disagree.

Whether it was Trump, Kavanaugh, anyone else, too many said, "If guilty, fry the bastard". It was those on the left that wanted a trial by social media and demanded proof of innocence.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The bad news for Biden is that CNN has picked up on it now. Somebody knows something we don't know.

a reply to: incoserv

Trump is facing two lawsuits about the issue. He has refused a dna test.

He paid off one porn star and solicited another.

25 accusations. Smoke = fire

25 - 1 is not a good ratio.

Run with it tho.

One campaign add shows 1 accuser. The other shows 25 plus lots of creepy quotes.

From a political pov, this is a non-issue since both are dirty.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Are we members of the same ATS?

The call was to actually listen to women for once. To actually take them seriously. Rape was barely even prosecuted up through the 70s. And because of social shaming (for the women, who have been getting it for countless decades, as opposed to these poor few 'classy' dudes), the fact that women weren't taken seriously, and fear of retribution, there has been an ongoing silencing that has been crushing for far too long.

They all need to be outed. So when one side constantly forgives someone and then all of a sudden gets all panty bunchy about some other old creepy demented dude, it's a little more than highly suspect.

originally posted by: stormson
a reply to: incoserv

Trump is facing two lawsuits about the issue. He has refused a dna test.

He paid off one porn star and solicited another.

25 accusations. Smoke = fire

25 - 1 is not a good ratio.

Run with it tho.

One campaign add shows 1 accuser. The other shows 25 plus lots of creepy quotes.

From a political pov, this is a non-issue since both are dirty.

Again, you are obfuscating and misdirecting. This discussion is NOT about Trump, Kavanaugh or Biden. It's about the question of why, when an accusation is made against someone on the right, all the progressive politicos and left-wing celebreties are hashtagging #BelieveSurvivors and say that it's morally wrong to question accusers, but when the target is on the left, the same people cast shade on the accuser.

The question here is not about them, it's about why it's fair to line up single-file behind Ford and tell the world that we must not question the veracity of her words, but you can ignore Tara Reade.

So, as you cannot answer that question with any level of intellectual honesty or integrity, you continue to try to redirect and obfuscate.

Do you not realize that you are actually proving the point that we're trying to make? You won't answer the issue at hand, you throw shade at others in an attempt to cover your own backside, so that tells us you do not have a legitimate answer.
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a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

a reply to: incoserv

Yes, I said the same thing with kavenaugh.
I believe he was innocent and nothing presented in his hearing made me change that opinion.

I have no love for Biden but I still require proof of guilt.
This allegation needs checked but I’m still going to be skeptical until there is real proof.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

This is true, but that's not even the matter at hand.

Let's say that Reade's accusations are baseless. She should at least be afforded the same opportunity to make her accusations as Ford was. If the press paid half the attention to her that they did to Ford, her face and her story would be all over the media. But, no. People like stormson will continue to make excuses for the hypocrisy of the left and to attempt to obfuscate the real issues by redirecting arguments because they do not have a legitimate answer.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

What makes you think I'd be cool with that? My statements have in no way been suggesting that anyone go light on scrutinizing Biden.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: incoserv

Yes, I said the same thing with kavenaugh.
I believe he was innocent and nothing presented in his hearing made me change that opinion.

I have no love for Biden but I still require proof of guilt.
This allegation needs checked but I’m still going to be skeptical until there is real proof.

I agree. Whether it's a progressive or a conservative, if allegations are made they should be considered and investigated if warranted.

Progressives say otherwise. They say, if the allegations are against a conservative, it's a balls-against-the-wall witch hunt. If they are against a progressive, it's crickets.

There's the issue.

a reply to: incoserv

Yes indeed. We had to hear about Ford and all of her friends that were at the party and couldn't back her up.


Now it's Biden's turn...

a reply to: incoserv

Got it. So actually not concerned about sexual assault in the slightest. This is just about the evil media. And here I thought there was actually some concern for the women involved in all this.

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

What makes you think I'd be cool with that? My statements have in no way been suggesting that anyone go light on scrutinizing Biden.

But that's just the issue. Nobody is paying any attention to the woman making the accusations. Ford didn't even go public with her account, it was driven by democrats in congress. Story was she didn't want to go public.

This woman is going public but the progressives and their lapdog media are ignoring her.

a reply to: okrian

Just a yes or no question.

a reply to: incoserv

Not really.

The op compared Biden to kavanaugh. Unequal comparison.

Trump and Biden comparable.

Now, the focus is on the new allegations against Biden, ignoring the 25 against trump.

If reade has to be heard, then the trump 25 should be heard also, right? Fair is fair, right?

Also, I never said reade was wrong or right. Let's find out.

However, to focus on Bidens 1 accuser and ignore the trump 25 seems hypocritical.

Women's rights activist and supporter Nancy Pelosi just wholeheartedly endorsed Joe Biden for president.

www.cbsnews.com...

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

This is true, but that's not even the matter at hand.

Let's say that Reade's accusations are baseless. She should at least be afforded the same opportunity to make her accusations as Ford was. If the press paid half the attention to her that they did to Ford, her face and her story would be all over the media. But, no. People like stormson will continue to make excuses for the hypocrisy of the left and to attempt to obfuscate the real issues by redirecting arguments because they do not have a legitimate answer.

Like I said, have one ad with reade, and another with the trump 25. Seems fair.

originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: incoserv

Got it. So actually not concerned about sexual assault in the slightest. This is just about the evil media. And here I thought there was actually some concern for the women involved in all this.

You're a special kind of dense. And you, like the other guy, are trying to redirect this discussion into an ad hominem attack/defense game. Not gonna take the bait. I never said any such thing. You want to skirt the real issue.

Actually, what you are accusing me of is exactly what you are doing (which is a common progressive tactic). The very fact that you people are ignoring Reade's accusations means that it's the progressive movement that makes this all about politics and couldn't care less about sexual assault allegations. They only matter to progressives if they serve your agenda.

None of you can answer my questions. You're like a pack of barking dogs that amount to nothing but bared teeth and yelps but you can't actually hold up a valid argument in defense of your position or acts.

originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: incoserv

Got it. So actually not concerned about sexual assault in the slightest. This is just about the evil media. And here I thought there was actually some concern for the women involved in all this.

Why would you think that?

originally posted by: stormson

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: okrian

Except there are tons of video where Biden is rubbing and touching little girls while the parent's attention is somewhere else. You really cool with something like that?

This is true, but that's not even the matter at hand.

Let's say that Reade's accusations are baseless. She should at least be afforded the same opportunity to make her accusations as Ford was. If the press paid half the attention to her that they did to Ford, her face and her story would be all over the media. But, no. People like stormson will continue to make excuses for the hypocrisy of the left and to attempt to obfuscate the real issues by redirecting arguments because they do not have a legitimate answer.

Like I said, have one ad with reade, and another with the trump 25. Seems fair.

But you still can't answer my question. Redirection and obfuscation.

Learn a new tactic.