The man in charge of W.H.O. like wow!

This is very interesting between the relationship, why the man was appointed and the Chinese government.
Tedros worked with the CCP on the Belt and Road Initiative in Ethiopia (and potentially other countries in Africa) during his tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016, just prior to being elected to the Director-Generalship of WHO.

So , see how this adds up about the possibility to pump up Africa and yet destroy the economies of Europe and the Americas. Something very fishy going on here. Tedros has covered for the Chinese regime throughout the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, he hasn’t hesitated to criticize the U.S

Yup, I read something about that almost a month ago now, boy the weeks are flying by with nothing to do. I started to see why some European leaders have been trying to get him replaced. I have nothing against WHO, but I do feel this guy should be taken out of his position and am in agreement that the USA should cancel funding WHO until he is gone. I also feel Europe needs to do the same.

a reply to: musicismagic


WHO chief says widespread travel bans not needed to beat China virus

www.reuters.com...



They were more worried about the toll on China's economy and image:

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response

www.statnews.com...

The World Health Organization, which declared the outbreak a global health emergency this week, has recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak. Member countries, however, do not have to comply with that guidance.

“There’s not only the financial toll on a country that is dealing with this outbreak, but this can discourage transparency, both in this outbreak and in the future,” Worsnop said.

Travel and trade restrictions can lead to dire economic consequences for countries involved, creating a disincentive for them to quickly disclose potential outbreaks to the WHO or other nations. They can hinder the sharing of information, make it harder to track cases and their contacts, and disrupt the medical supply chain, potentially fueling shortages of drugs and medical supplies in the areas hit hardest by the outbreak. They also send a punitive message, which could contribute to discrimination and stigmatization against Chinese nationals, experts warned.

originally posted by: musicismagic
This is very interesting between the relationship, why the man was appointed and the Chinese government.
Tedros worked with the CCP on the Belt and Road Initiative in Ethiopia (and potentially other countries in Africa) during his tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016, just prior to being elected to the Director-Generalship of WHO.

So , see how this adds up about the possibility to pump up Africa and yet destroy the economies of Europe and the Americas. Something very fishy going on here. Tedros has covered for the Chinese regime throughout the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, he hasn’t hesitated to criticize the U.S

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Nope, still the worst in the world and not just by WHO numbers. By every watchdog group including, but not limited to: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports.

At some point, even the 'blameiness' looks so obviously fake no-one will be able to ignore it.

Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: musicismagic

WHO chief says widespread travel bans not needed to beat China virus

www.reuters.com...

They were more worried about the toll on China's economy and image:

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response

www.statnews.com...

The World Health Organization, which declared the outbreak a global health emergency this week, has recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak. Member countries, however, do not have to comply with that guidance.

“There’s not only the financial toll on a country that is dealing with this outbreak, but this can discourage transparency, both in this outbreak and in the future,” Worsnop said.

Travel and trade restrictions can lead to dire economic consequences for countries involved, creating a disincentive for them to quickly disclose potential outbreaks to the WHO or other nations. They can hinder the sharing of information, make it harder to track cases and their contacts, and disrupt the medical supply chain, potentially fueling shortages of drugs and medical supplies in the areas hit hardest by the outbreak. They also send a punitive message, which could contribute to discrimination and stigmatization against Chinese nationals, experts warned.

The travel bans were put in place, despite the WHO saying they'd be useless.

Look at how effective they actually were, on any site that recorded the spread of the virus.

a reply to: musicismagic

I swear, the WHO actively assisted with the spread of this. China shut down all travel to Wuhan to the rest of China but both China and the WHO kept pressing the continuation of International Flights from Wuhan to the rest of the world. Hell it is on their own website.

www.who.int...

Recommendations for international trafic
WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries.

Yet they praise China for locking down Wuhan to the rest of China

Chinese officials note serious problems in coronavirus response. The World Health Organization keeps praising them.
Feb. 8th 2020

www.washingtonpost.com... praising-them/2020/02/08/b663dd7c-4834-11ea-91ab-ce439aa5c7c1_story.html

On Jan. 20, with 400 million people about to travel for the Lunar New Year holiday, officials confirmed what many had long suspected: The virus could spread person to person.

President Xi called for swift, transparent action. “It is necessary to release epidemic information in a timely manner and deepen international cooperation,” according to state media reports.

Authorities started to seal off Wuhan, a city of 11 million, canceling some flights, trains and suspending public transportation.

On Jan. 22, Tedros applauded China’s recent efforts. “What they are doing is a very, very strong measure and with full commitment,” he said.

The comment surprised public health experts because travel bans can create panic and make things harder for first responders.

On Jan. 23, China announced it was expanded the quarantine to other cities — and millions more people.

Later the same day, in Geneva, the WHO decided against declaring a PHEIC. That meant, among other things, no calls for restrictions on travel in and out of China, even as Beijing locked down the Chinese heartland.

So, they will praise China for locking down China but condemn other nations banning flights from the same areas the Chinese are insulating themselves from.

Does anyone believe they did not want it to spread to other countries?

President Trump said at today's Covid-19 briefing that investigators into China and the World Health Organization will be making significant announcements "soon".

originally posted by: chr0naut

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Nope, still the worst in the world and not just by WHO numbers. By every watchdog group including, but not limited to: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports.

At some point, even the 'blameiness' looks so obviously fake no-one will be able to ignore it.

Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

Covid stats as of April 19 at realclearpolitics.com (cdc/who/other official numbers)

As you can see from the above referenced chart, deaths per million, USA is running 124 dpm.

That is behind... Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Ireland....

Or maybe you were thinking about total number of deaths.

Were you accounting for the fact that the USA is the Third most populous nation on the planet?


You can still do it; but you're having to squint harder and harder, to see America as always the biggest loser.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: musicismagic
This is very interesting between the relationship, why the man was appointed and the Chinese government.
Tedros worked with the CCP on the Belt and Road Initiative in Ethiopia (and potentially other countries in Africa) during his tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016, just prior to being elected to the Director-Generalship of WHO.

So , see how this adds up about the possibility to pump up Africa and yet destroy the economies of Europe and the Americas. Something very fishy going on here. Tedros has covered for the Chinese regime throughout the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, he hasn’t hesitated to criticize the U.S

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Nope, still the worst in the world and not just by WHO numbers. By every watchdog group including, but not limited to: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports.

At some point, even the 'blameiness' looks so obviously fake no-one will be able to ignore it.

Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

UK, France, Spain, and Italy have 66% population of the US and 150% the number of deaths.

What metric, other than how much you dislike Trump, are you using to come to that conclusion? Is it because watchdogs say so and you're unable to do simple math?

a reply to: Graysen

It isn't over yet. It is just getting started for most of the country. It will take quite awhile for it to spread out to the rest of the nation and it will.

Drive by a grocery store. I did today for my curbside pick-up. The line outside was long, nobody wearing masks, and there was no distancing, one behind another as though getting closer to the person in front of them was going to make the line move faster.

There are far too many people who are either stupid or apathetic about themselves and others. The Grocery stores are going to be the main transmission areas.

The international public-health group’s head has aided China’s coverup of the COVID-19 pandemic at every turn, endangering countless lives in the process.

If the deadly and destructive made-in-China COVID-19 crisis has a silver lining, it is this: The strengths and weaknesses of particular leaders, governments, and institutions around the world have been exposed by the pandemic, thus providing an impetus for reform.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has come under particular scrutiny at a time of rising skepticism about the ability of international institutions to act responsibly and transparently independent of corrupt political influence. The U.S., which is by far the single largest funder of the WHO, has enormous leverage in this case, and is now beginning to use it: The Trump administration, angered by the WHO’s role in the pandemic crisis, recently announced that it would suspend and review the $400 million annual American contribution to the group.

Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the WHO’s director-general, bears primary responsibility for its missteps in responding to the crisis, particularly its crucial early delay in classifying COVID-19 as a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. It is thus appropriate to inquire about his background and the motivations that have driven his actions in this pandemic.

Tedros, a trained microbiologist who did earn an MSc in the immunology of infectious diseases at the University of London, was Ethiopia’s minister of health from 2005 to 2012, and subsequently its minister of foreign affairs from 2012 to 2016. He was also served on the nine-member executive committee of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), one of four ethnically based political parties making up the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF), the brutal authoritarian regime that ruled Ethiopia with an iron fist from 1991 to 2019.

When Tedros sought to become WHO director-general in 2017, he met with fierce opposition to his candidacy from Ethiopians angry with his service to and defense of the country’s abusive regime, as well as his record as minister of health.

He was ultimately confirmed despite allegations that, as minister of health, he directed the cover-up of three deadly cholera epidemics by simply insisting that they were Acute Watery Diarrhea (AWD), apparently hoping to avoid the impact that the public admission of a cholera epidemic might have had on Ethiopian tourism and the image of his party.

In retrospect, that episode bears a striking, chilling resemblance to the WHO’s response to the coronavirus’s appearance in China.

For as long as he could, Tedros was happy to validate Beijing’s clumsy efforts to minimize and downplay the viral outbreak in Wuhan.

While China was actively covering up the virus and censoring information about it, Tedros lavished praise on Xi Jinping’s response as “transparent,” “responsible,” and “setting a new standard of the world.”

Even as international pressure grew, he delayed declaring the outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. When the declaration was finally made on January 30, 2020, he was careful to say that, it was “not a vote of no confidence in China. On the contrary, WHO continues to have the confidence in China’s capacity to control the outbreak.”

Days later, Tedros, echoing the Chinese government’s stance, remained adamantly opposed to restrictions that would “unnecessarily interfere with international trade and travel” in an effort to stop the pandemic’s spread.

Until at least as late as February 29, shortly before the extent of the pandemic’s global reach and threat began to become clear, WHO was still officially opposed to such restrictions.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), in turn, was all too happy to criticize the United States and other countries that had imposed early travel restrictions on China as having “violated the WHO’s advice.”

Source: www.nationalreview.com...

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Graysen

It isn't over yet. It is just getting started for most of the country. It will take quite awhile for it to spread out to the rest of the nation and it will.

Drive by a grocery store. I did today for my curbside pick-up. The line outside was long, nobody wearing masks, and there was no distancing, one behind another as though getting closer to the person in front of them was going to make the line move faster.

There are far too many people who are either stupid or apathetic about themselves and others. The Grocery stores are going to be the main transmission areas.

Agreed. But Chronaut is ready to start picking winners and losers right now, so that he/she/it can declare USA the worst of all. Aside from it being too soon to call, the second chart I linked to shows that America is still amazing rural, more so than any other nation I listed. The America has 36 people/km^2. the UK has 281...

But you're right, it's too soon to tell.

Just like the people who compare this to a whole year's flu season," vs. 4 weeks of lock-down.

The big city hospital has four floors of ventilator farms. That's not a normal flu season.

The state has dropped down, now, to 10 fatalities a day, from 30. That's not a normal flu season, either.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: musicismagic

WHO chief says widespread travel bans not needed to beat China virus

www.reuters.com...

They were more worried about the toll on China's economy and image:

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response

www.statnews.com...

The World Health Organization, which declared the outbreak a global health emergency this week, has recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak. Member countries, however, do not have to comply with that guidance.

“There’s not only the financial toll on a country that is dealing with this outbreak, but this can discourage transparency, both in this outbreak and in the future,” Worsnop said.

Travel and trade restrictions can lead to dire economic consequences for countries involved, creating a disincentive for them to quickly disclose potential outbreaks to the WHO or other nations. They can hinder the sharing of information, make it harder to track cases and their contacts, and disrupt the medical supply chain, potentially fueling shortages of drugs and medical supplies in the areas hit hardest by the outbreak. They also send a punitive message, which could contribute to discrimination and stigmatization against Chinese nationals, experts warned.

The travel bans were put in place, despite the WHO saying they'd be useless.

Look at how effective they actually were, on any site that recorded the spread of the virus.

LOL.

Travel from China to US is fine and doesn't spread the virus.

Travel from US resident house to a sparsely occupied local park will infect the whole community and overwhelm hospitals.

Makes perfect sense.

originally posted by: Graysen

originally posted by: chr0naut

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Nope, still the worst in the world and not just by WHO numbers. By every watchdog group including, but not limited to: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports.

At some point, even the 'blameiness' looks so obviously fake no-one will be able to ignore it.

Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

Covid stats as of April 19 at realclearpolitics.com (cdc/who/other official numbers)

As you can see from the above referenced chart, deaths per million, USA is running 124 dpm.

That is behind... Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Ireland....

Or maybe you were thinking about total number of deaths.

Were you accounting for the fact that the USA is the Third most populous nation on the planet?

You can still do it; but you're having to squint harder and harder, to see America as always the biggest loser.

Because uninfected people will not die of the virus, it is pointless to include the uninfected in any mortality statistics.

The uninfected to infected ratio is relevant to tracing the growth of the epidemic but including 'all the people who do not have the virus', tells us nothing about the lethality of the virus.

Of course, the US statistics look good if you include irrelevant data like total population in mortality figures.

Currently, COVID-19 mortality figures in the US are at 5.4% and rising. Still not as bad as some, but rising as the prevalence of the virus rises.

What the US is clearly not good on, is the containment of the virus, and in total cases, is the worst in the world.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: musicismagic

I swear, the WHO actively assisted with the spread of this. China shut down all travel to Wuhan to the rest of China but both China and the WHO kept pressing the continuation of International Flights from Wuhan to the rest of the world. Hell it is on their own website.



So, they will praise China for locking down China but condemn other nations banning flights from the same areas the Chinese are insulating themselves from.

Does anyone believe they did not want it to spread to other countries?

Regardless whether virus was natural mutation or man-made as really does not matter to this subject at all.

Would your points above and links with facts in your post be smoking gun evidence that the spread of the virus was indeed an act of aggression, attack or war?

originally posted by: carewemust
President Trump said at today's Covid-19 briefing that investigators into China and the World Health Organization will be making significant announcements "soon".

So Trump doesn't even know for sure yet? They are still investigating? He just 'guesses' that they somehow did him wrong and cuts their funding? What a brilliant way to run a government. You must be so proud.



This 'annoncement' is like the three years of weekly Fox News reports about how they were 'now', in a 'this is it', 'bombshell revelation' going to 'get' the people behind the "coup".



Nothing will eventuate because the current facts don't shed a good light on how the Trump administration has handled its part. And that doesn't need investigation because the facts are in the public arena and plain as day.

a reply to: chr0naut

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Yes , yes it has.

a reply to: Gothmog

30,000 Americans dead in the last 2 weeks. Most people fail to realize. Definitely not the flu. This has taken more people out in the last 2 weeks than flu does in months. I can't imagine what a full year will bring if they don't provide an effective treatment and actually let us have it before we in the hospital.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: musicismagic
This is very interesting between the relationship, why the man was appointed and the Chinese government.
Tedros worked with the CCP on the Belt and Road Initiative in Ethiopia (and potentially other countries in Africa) during his tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016, just prior to being elected to the Director-Generalship of WHO.

So , see how this adds up about the possibility to pump up Africa and yet destroy the economies of Europe and the Americas. Something very fishy going on here. Tedros has covered for the Chinese regime throughout the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, he hasn’t hesitated to criticize the U.S

And... after blaming and defunding the W.H.O. has the situation in the US gotten any better?

Nope, still the worst in the world and not just by WHO numbers. By every watchdog group including, but not limited to: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports.

At some point, even the 'blameiness' looks so obviously fake no-one will be able to ignore it.

Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

UK, France, Spain, and Italy have 66% population of the US and 150% the number of deaths.

What metric, other than how much you dislike Trump, are you using to come to that conclusion? Is it because watchdogs say so and you're unable to do simple math?

No math required.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: musicismagic

WHO chief says widespread travel bans not needed to beat China virus

www.reuters.com...

They were more worried about the toll on China's economy and image:

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response

www.statnews.com...

The World Health Organization, which declared the outbreak a global health emergency this week, has recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak. Member countries, however, do not have to comply with that guidance.

“There’s not only the financial toll on a country that is dealing with this outbreak, but this can discourage transparency, both in this outbreak and in the future,” Worsnop said.

Travel and trade restrictions can lead to dire economic consequences for countries involved, creating a disincentive for them to quickly disclose potential outbreaks to the WHO or other nations. They can hinder the sharing of information, make it harder to track cases and their contacts, and disrupt the medical supply chain, potentially fueling shortages of drugs and medical supplies in the areas hit hardest by the outbreak. They also send a punitive message, which could contribute to discrimination and stigmatization against Chinese nationals, experts warned.

The travel bans were put in place, despite the WHO saying they'd be useless.

Look at how effective they actually were, on any site that recorded the spread of the virus.

LOL.

Travel from China to US is fine and doesn't spread the virus.

Travel from US resident house to a sparsely occupied local park will infect the whole community and overwhelm hospitals.

Makes perfect sense.

All sorts of contact spreads the virus.

Look at the way the bans changed nothing at all.