CNN's Cuomo Admits its all BS

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I dunno..I dont really mind an individual being narcissistic, or even peddling nonsense for themselves.
When its institutionalized and national with pretty far reach (much of it indirect)?
Yeah.. I think thats a recipe for disaster whether its simple "ad revenue naivete" or distinctly intentional.

So; you have less a grievous problem with 'Cheerios' breakfast cereal than you do with institutionalized fear mongering?

I won't speak for them but maybe narcissistic isn't the right word. Opportunistic maybe?

Does that make extermination 'OK' (we were just taking advantage of an 'opportunity' to do something.

Extermination ok? Not sure how that may have been taken from that...

This is what a world without 'empathy' looks like; rob pillage destroy (claw oneself to the middle rung) claim victory and start all over again..

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I have a personal policy that hasn't made me any friends or gotten me hardly any stars or flags or anything else. My policy on TV people is this....

1. Never trust a man with a microphone

2. Never trust a man with a camera.

(*Or woman)

People who are on TV are there to put their stuff in your head. Maybe you agree with them and maybe you don't but you can't trust them as far as you can throw them. Not a single one of them. There is not a single person on TV that I trust more than 50%. Believing what you're being told by these people is like playing Russian roulette. Only worse because you may not ever know the real truth and they might weave you into a web so convoluted you won't know which way is up.

So my first question when I see someone on TV is this - "What do I have to lose if this person is lying and I don't consider that they might be??"

Well, BrianFlanders, never lose your sense of questioning the narrative. No one questions that. Keeping a sense of understanding with all of the lies across the board is difficult. I appreciate your post because it is true. It is impossible to know that is one of the dilemmas we actually face.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I dunno..I dont really mind an individual being narcissistic, or even peddling nonsense for themselves.
When its institutionalized and national with pretty far reach (much of it indirect)?
Yeah.. I think thats a recipe for disaster whether its simple "ad revenue naivete" or distinctly intentional.

So; you have less a grievous problem with 'Cheerios' breakfast cereal than you do with institutionalized fear mongering?

I won't speak for them but maybe narcissistic isn't the right word. Opportunistic maybe?

Does that make extermination 'OK' (we were just taking advantage of an 'opportunity' to do something.

Extermination ok? Not sure how that may have been taken from that...

This is what a world without 'empathy' looks like; rob pillage destroy (claw oneself to the middle rung) claim victory and start all over again..

I just don't see it as an extermination ploy. Humans run these organizations. $ runs them. Nothing else.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Well.. If we are just talking about taking advantage of people in general, its certainly something to be on the lookout for.

Id argue that mainstream media, from the New York Times to individual YouTubers have more influence on perception, behavior, and reaction than someone repairing a basement though.

And they are all spreading the same Story, albeit with different takes. And have been for years and years now, with a suspiciously coordinated uptick in very specific terms ~2012.

I dont watch any of them either, because I believe it makes people break from reality.

But..

Plenty of people do, especially in terms of folks commenting on mainstream news. We see it plenty here on ATS as well, in fact, it may even be the bulk of content.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I dunno..I dont really mind an individual being narcissistic, or even peddling nonsense for themselves.
When its institutionalized and national with pretty far reach (much of it indirect)?
Yeah.. I think thats a recipe for disaster whether its simple "ad revenue naivete" or distinctly intentional.

So; you have less a grievous problem with 'Cheerios' breakfast cereal than you do with institutionalized fear mongering?

I won't speak for them but maybe narcissistic isn't the right word. Opportunistic maybe?

Does that make extermination 'OK' (we were just taking advantage of an 'opportunity' to do something.

Extermination ok? Not sure how that may have been taken from that...

This is what a world without 'empathy' looks like; rob pillage destroy (claw oneself to the middle rung) claim victory and start all over again..

I just don't see it as an extermination ploy. Humans run these organizations. $ runs them. Nothing else.

Humans (those nothing else guys) that were/are experiencing ME/MYSELF/ITSELF. I have let you in on this joke before...MOSES. Come on wake up and tell these people the truth.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: ColoradoJens

Well.. If we are just talking about taking advantage of people in general, its certainly something to be on the lookout for.

Id argue that mainstream media, from the New York Times to individual YouTubers have more influence on perception, behavior, and reaction than someone repairing a basement though.

And they are all spreading the same Story, albeit with different takes. And have been for years and years now, with a suspiciously coordinated uptick in very specific terms ~2012.

I dont watch any of them either, because I believe it makes people break from reality.

But..

Plenty of people do, especially in terms of folks commenting on mainstream news. We see it plenty here on ATS as well, in fact, it may even be the bulk of content.

I don't disagree that "news" can be pathetically one way or the other. I disagree that human nature is different operating a cement truck or politics or the news. Most people in big business tow a line knowing they are scrweing people over for their shareholders. Its just life.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Thats fair enough, we can certainly disagree.

I think its so different as to be a completely different subject, so probably off topic anyway

But.. They plant a seed. Doesnt matter what "side." Everybody gathers around it and either praises it, accepts it, rejects it, criticizes it, blindy trusts it, wonders about it.. The reaction itself doesnt matter (though the more extreme, the better).

What matters is that people give it attention. Then it grows, and as it does, no one watches anything else whatsoever.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I dunno..I dont really mind an individual being narcissistic, or even peddling nonsense for themselves.
When its institutionalized and national with pretty far reach (much of it indirect)?
Yeah.. I think thats a recipe for disaster whether its simple "ad revenue naivete" or distinctly intentional.

So; you have less a grievous problem with 'Cheerios' breakfast cereal than you do with institutionalized fear mongering?

I won't speak for them but maybe narcissistic isn't the right word. Opportunistic maybe?

Does that make extermination 'OK' (we were just taking advantage of an 'opportunity' to do something.

Extermination ok? Not sure how that may have been taken from that...

This is what a world without 'empathy' looks like; rob pillage destroy (claw oneself to the middle rung) claim victory and start all over again..

I just don't see it as an extermination ploy. Humans run these organizations. $ runs them. Nothing else.

Humans (those nothing else guys) that were/are experiencing ME/MYSELF/ITSELF. I have let you in on this joke before...MOSES. Come on wake up and tell these people the truth.

I get it. As an Atheist you may not believe it but spending 35 years in a Roman Catholic church, spending time volunteering in south america etc. I really am not afraid of theologian discussion.

I will dispute an argument over verses though because I doubt the validity of the book.

People are people. You deal with them everyday from the guy at the grocery store to the guys at the car shop getting your car an oil change. They will charge you an extra $40 for "cleaning the air filters" just like cuomo will push crap.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: ColoradoJens

Thats fair enough, we can certainly disagree.

I think its so different as to be a completely different subject, so probably off topic anyway

But.. They plant a seed. Doesnt matter what "side." Everybody gathers around it and either praises it, accepts it, rejects it, criticizes it, blindy trusts it, wonders about it.. The reaction itself doesnt matter (though the more extreme, the better).

What matters is that people give it attention. Then it grows, and as it does, no one watches anything else whatsoever.

Yeah but we are all supposed to be so free we can detect bull#. I feel sorry for those who fall in hook line and sinker and I totally get what you are saying. But I also see it as their responsibility to realize what they are watching. The problem is you will never get anyone to admit that their world view is screwed. People will fight to the death on a line that is thin as linguini.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Heres the tricky part though..

Looking through your post history, Im only seeing a few posts that arent gathering around a mainstream media planted seed.

Thats not some high and mighty judgment either, I do it too. Weve all been creating a monster, while everyone thinks its everyone else doing it. I strongly suspect its not unintentional at its core, but then.. I would think that.

Keeping in mind that "mainstream media" is only partially defined by the news, by me at least.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: ColoradoJens

Heres the tricky part though..

Looking through your post history, Im only seeing a few posts that arent gathering around a mainstream media planted seed.

Thats not some high and mighty judgment either, I do it too. Weve all been creating a monster, while everyone thinks its everyone else doing it. I strongly suspect its not unintentional at its core, but then.. I would think that.

Keeping in mind that "mainstream media" is only partially defined by the news, by me at least.

That is 100% fair. I am a human and work within my means. I have fallen for left wing and right wing sources.

I defiantly fall on liberal side of things the it comes to people being people and letting them live their lives and I read a lot of sources that certainly agree with me. I don't doubt it at all.

I am a hypocrite when it comes to my sources.

We all are.

I attempt to read all sources for all sides (truthfully my bookmarks are half and half crazy right/left sites.) but I don't expect anyone to believe that.

The totality of my posts, I hope, you will find I quote a lot of various sources, but of course I like the arguments that fit my beliefs.

Who doesn't?

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

I get it. As an Atheist you may not believe it but spending 35 years in a Roman Catholic church, spending time volunteering in south america etc. I really am not afraid of theologian discussion. I will dispute an argument over verses though because I doubt the validity of the book.

I am not an Atheist. I know that I am God expressing Itself as Human Beings. Religious belief systems were part of the design to uplift humanity (thousands of years ago). It helped and worked for a time (stop killing each other). Now Islam is at war with every other belief system inserted (to uplift humanity all are wrongly interpreted). It was supposed to backfire but no one is understanding the joke/yoke.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

I get it. As an Atheist you may not believe it but spending 35 years in a Roman Catholic church, spending time volunteering in south america etc. I really am not afraid of theologian discussion. I will dispute an argument over verses though because I doubt the validity of the book.

I am not an Atheist. I know that I am God expressing Itself as human beings. Religious belief systems were part of the design to uplift humanity. It helped. It worked.

I know you are not an atheist and that is why I qualified my self in the conversation.

Having lived "the life" for most of my life I feel I am qualified to talk on the subject.

I may not be, but I think I am.

I lived it enough to know there are an amazing number of people like yourself you want the best for humanity through the understanding of the lord.

The true believers are those who don't care what your are in terms of religion, politics, sin etc. They love you because you are a human. One of God's children. AND THAT IS IT.

There is too much Pride and Avarice in the world amongst the believers unfortunately so people get angry.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Well.. Why use sources at all? Why not speak for yourself?

I tell myself I take in all sides too.. But everything Im taking in is toxic in those regards, or grown from toxic soil. Whats the point in doing it when all of it doesnt actually represent anything other than itself.

Im asking myself these same questions too. I have plenty of excuses..

For years Ive tried to avoid linking any sources, solely trying to provide my own content. But, its not easy.

While your reading through the boards, and writing your posts.. Watch how often links and sources are provided or requested. Even saying it seems obvious and silly; "Of course we do that!"

We treat it like: "How else would we know whats real?"

I even recently saw someone present random YouTube videos as "their ideas." Not in some attempt to deceive, either.

So, yeah.. When I see something that puts a dent in that, like Cuomo, I think its probably good. But, we have a helluva long way to go and even those who think they benefit most from it all are drawn into the same whirlpool.

ColoradoJens:I know you are not an atheist and that is why I qualified my self in the conversation.
Having lived "the life" for most of my life I feel I am qualified to talk on the subject.
I may not be, But I think I am. I lived it enough to know there are an amazing number of people like yourself you want the best for humanity through the understanding of the lord.

Are you a self styled 'spiritualist' or are you an indoctrinated dogmatic behavioral religious fanatic?

ColoradoJens: The true believers are those who don't care what your are in terms of religion, politics, sin etc. They love you because you are a human. One of God's children. AND THAT IS IT. There is too much Pride and Avarice in the world amongst the believers unfortunately so people get angry.

My first proclamation would be 'tell the truth' about this world and the reason for its being.

Yall done yet? Want to get back on topic?

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
Yall done yet? Want to get back on topic?

Funny how differently we see things, I was enjoying the conversation with the vet and op, it was refreshing, I wanted to comment earlier but I didnt want to stifle their back and forth.

If only we could all just accept each other's quirks instead of needing to shut down what makes us uncomfortable.

Oh crap not the vet...no offense I meant serdigam...

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: ColoradoJens

Well.. Why use sources at all? Why not speak for yourself?

I tell myself I take in all sides too.. But everything Im taking in is toxic in those regards, or grown from toxic soil. Whats the point in doing it when all of it doesnt actually represent anything other than itself.

Im asking myself these same questions too. I have plenty of excuses..

For years Ive tried to avoid linking any sources, solely trying to provide my own content. But, its not easy.

While your reading through the boards, and writing your posts.. Watch how often links and sources are provided or requested. Even saying it seems obvious and silly; "Of course we do that!"

We treat it like: "How else would we know whats real?"

I even recently saw someone present random YouTube videos as "their ideas." Not in some attempt to deceive, either.

So, yeah.. When I see something that puts a dent in that, like Cuomo, I think its probably good. But, we have a helluva long way to go and even those who think they benefit most from it all are drawn into the same whirlpool.

I am not going to win an argument with you on this and I hope you don't think there is one!

Your point is very valid and again I don't know that I am capable of giving a fully cohesive argument. I'd just go back to people are people. Some good some bad, journalism and every other walk of life.

I'd submit there is reason why you and I are here in the middle of the night on ATS though. We both have an idea that it is BS and as we maneuver though the wall of life we pivot, adjust, learn etc.

We are all wrong, it's just to the degree.

Go with the notion that if the news is not about abridging rights, hating poor people, and celebrities that it may be trying to be objective.

I do not align everyone working for FOX to be a traitor. I see most of them as people trying to earn a living. They don't even know entirely of what they do.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

I get it. As an Atheist you may not believe it but spending 35 years in a Roman Catholic church, spending time volunteering in south america etc. I really am not afraid of theologian discussion. I will dispute an argument over verses though because I doubt the validity of the book.

I am not an Atheist. I know that I am God expressing Itself as human beings. Religious belief systems were part of the design to uplift humanity. It helped. It worked.

I know you are not an atheist and that is why I qualified my self in the conversation.
Having lived "the life" for most of my life I feel I am qualified to talk on the subject.
I may not be, But I think I am. I lived it enough to know there are an amazing number of people like yourself you want the best for humanity through the understanding of the lord. The true believers are those who don't care what your are in terms of religion, politics, sin etc. They love you because you are a human. One of God's children. AND THAT IS IT.
There is too much Pride and Avarice in the world amongst the believers unfortunately so people get angry.

But I am Lord (and so are you). I don't believe; I KNOW (as gnostic) love you.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

I get it. As an Atheist you may not believe it but spending 35 years in a Roman Catholic church, spending time volunteering in south america etc. I really am not afraid of theologian discussion. I will dispute an argument over verses though because I doubt the validity of the book.

I am not an Atheist. I know that I am God expressing Itself as human beings. Religious belief systems were part of the design to uplift humanity. It helped. It worked.

I know you are not an atheist and that is why I qualified my self in the conversation.
Having lived "the life" for most of my life I feel I am qualified to talk on the subject.
I may not be, But I think I am. I lived it enough to know there are an amazing number of people like yourself you want the best for humanity through the understanding of the lord. The true believers are those who don't care what your are in terms of religion, politics, sin etc. They love you because you are a human. One of God's children. AND THAT IS IT.
There is too much Pride and Avarice in the world amongst the believers unfortunately so people get angry.

But I am Lord (and so are you). I don't believe; I KNOW (as gnostic) love you.

Just stop qualifying it. We all are God's Children and we should all love each other. Have you ever worked side by side with muslims, jews, Protestants, Roman Catholics at the same time, elbow to elbow doing a favella with no consideration for the people you are building home for other than their safety? Arguing gods is silly.