America should be ready for 18 months to more than 16 years of shutdowns

Kashkari, while acknowledging the downside of what a prolonged shutdown could mean for the economy, said the U.S., ‘barring some health-care miracle,’ is looking at an 18-month strategy of rolling shutdowns based on what has happened in other countries.

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This is really disheartening if true. After 18 months of this will there even be an economy to go back to?

How will people deal with being isolated for 18 more months? No work, no school, no anything!

a reply to: MRinder

Rolling shutdowns.
That means some areas will not have them while others will. Not ideal, but far better than everywhere being shutdown.
Yes. It's going to take a while.

a reply to: Phage
Well a rolling shutdown sounds worse. You won't be able to plan anything. You won't know when you will have a job, when you won't. You won't be able to travel because God forbid you go somewhere and then be trapped in a rolling shutdown.

I have a kid most of the way through college and one supposed to start in the fall. I will be damned if I am paying tuition and they not get an education for all that money. They will just have to sit out a year or two since we don't know what's going to happen.

This #s up everything.

originally posted by: MRinder

Kashkari, while acknowledging the downside of what a prolonged shutdown could mean for the economy, said the U.S., ‘barring some health-care miracle,’ is looking at an 18-month strategy of rolling shutdowns based on what has happened in other countries.

www.marketwatch.com...

This is really disheartening is true. After 18 months of this will there even be an economy to go back to?

How will people deal with being isolated for 18 more months? No work, no school, no anything!

I'm really at the point I don't believe most people will even adhere to this.

It sounds stupid, but will there be a "black market" that emerges in most (non major city) areas? Will you have pop up business that hide or exist with rural .gov assistance(spoiler, in a lot of small towns those that serve on the local government are BUSINESS OWNERS and LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND CARE about their neighbors).

I welcome that, you can't just shut everything down forever. People will, those that aren't cowards in city's, eventually buck this trend.

Maybe for the better too. Is a service industry being shut down? What if all the hair stylists start doing at home service, is it "OK" if they bring a can of 90 cent beans with them and claim it's "bringing food to a friend?". What if a chef hosts a few nights a week at his home for a few dozen customers, what if people just don't care and open up shop and want to test how 3 or 4 local police will react to 50 people out eating and drinking on a friday night?

At this point, "models" aside, I see 2 options, drag it out til the 1st of may, or try to go longer and deal with exponential backlash.

On Face the Nation....thanks for that

what a great show

Nope regardless of what is going on, we as Americans CANNOT go on for 18 months in and out of our homes. This is a free country and the government is at the very limit of what it can legally do without martial law, hell let's be real they've done a lot tyrannical s&*& with this virus and I'm not going to live like that anymore. Sorry the word "pandemic" is not in the constitution. They only have the power for insurrection and war. They cannot lock us in our homes for a year and half. Not happening.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
On Face the Nation....thanks for that

what a great show

. You are always welcome GBP JPY.

a reply to: ZapBrannigan3030

Well you know if you are running some black market business and someone dies of the Covid because of your illegal business they are going most likely charge with murder and whatever else they can trump up.

a reply to: MRinder

Yeah, the military 1.3 million and peace core, IMO should be activated to do things like maintain the food system pipeline. Distribute food to the hungry and security issues.


Also, the military, along with youthful and people who have taken a blood antibody test positive and past recovered coronavirus survivors volunteers should be used to massively test the citizens of each state and administer particular aide to the elderly vulnerable.

It should be run by the states with overall backup by the feds


This is a war and the country needs to step up and act like it’s a war

WE NEED A PLAN and we should use all the national resources of people and technology


Where all the great AI knowledge?

We may need a military designated person to run this like a war.


That will help in engaging all of us to action and will galvanize the country and that will lessen the depression and pessimism.

When we see massive, Intellegebnt, scientific solutions being implemented worthy of a post-modern highly technological society WITH AI then we will gain some confidence.

This haphazard action shooting from the hip with NO PLAN and lack of leadership adds to the mass depression in the country

originally posted by: av8r007
Nope regardless of what is going on, we as Americans CANNOT go on for 18 months in and out of our homes. This is a free country and the government is at the very limit of what it can legally do without martial law, hell let's be real they've done a lot tyrannical s&*& with this virus and I'm not going to live like that anymore. Sorry the word "pandemic" is not in the constitution. They only have the power for insurrection and war. They cannot lock us in our homes for a year and half. Not happening.

According to this doctor it is going to happen and we are all going to have to suck it up for our fellow man.

a reply to: Willtell

Well what you are proposing sounds like martial law with the military in full control. Do you think that's what most people want/need to feel more safe? Military personnel on every street corner locked and loaded.

a reply to: MRinder

There's a limit. We're there at around April 30th. The country can't go on like this if you want a country to return to when the pandemic is over, otherwise we're all going to run out of money sooner or later, unless you are very wealthy ($5 mil in the bank minimum). It's just a matter of time. 2 months is when people will start running out of money for real, bone dry on cash and there isn't enough government cheese in the world to pay us all. We have to get back to work basically at the end of this shelter-in-place period or you're going to see things you'd never of thought would happen in America: increased murder, rapes, robberies, home invasions, and chaos. You cannot have a country of this size sit stagnant without causing major issues that as Trump put it so well, "the cure can't be worse than the disease!"

Nonsense. We don't have to sit around and act like were dead and have to bow to this disease like scarred chickens

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!


WE ARE THE MOST HIGHLY TECHNOLOGICAL, SCIENTIFIC, POST-MODERN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD

And were cowering like cowards to this disease.

USE OUR RESOURCES WITH SOME INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY, AND PLANNING.

It boils down to being a huge logistics problem which can be easily solved with an assertion of INTELLIGENCE.

We've got all these scientists, military logistical experts, Nutritional experts, medical experts, sociologists, psychologists, System experts, university scientists and experts, virologists, engineers, AI experts, thousands of billionaires, and military of over 1.3 million people.


This should be a piece of cake, WE'RE NOT USING OUR ATTRIBUTES

Instead were cowering under our beds

DEMAND they use the great capacity of this greatest country ever!

a reply to: av8r007

Well some people propose we have a fully military lockdown of USA. Boots on every street! That seems like it would calm people down a notch. I bet if you saw a big tank roll past your house you would eat whatever they fed you, cheese or whatever

a reply to: Willtell

Amen Brother. Let's demand they figure it out.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: MRinder

Also, the military, along with youthful and people who have taken a blood antibody test positive and past recovered coronavirus survivors volunteers should be used to massively test the citizens of each state and administer particular aide to the elderly vulnerable.

They should be USED? Nice way to quantify people, something to "use" at will. Whether or not it's with consent, or against their own will, I presume. That entire comment has so much chillingly wrong with it that your use of "volunteers" doesn't remotely assuage any gut instinct on my part because I doubt you'd be against forcing people that fit the bill, either.

We may need a military designated person to run this like a war.

No we do not.

That will help in engaging all of us to action and will galvanize the country and that will lessen the depression and pessimism.

Bull and #. No military action will spur me to do jack, and especially not by force. I predict you'll fall back on "well, if people don't cooperate, it'll come to that" and that is where your argument is shown for what it is -- support for a military dictatorship.

a reply to: MRinder

The military IS NOT doing anything based on any kind of military activity.

I'm talking bout using them as medics, assistants to doctors and nurses, and food logistical workers so we won't have any mass starvation in this country over this.

They're not there to do any policing actions. That's for the local police.

OUR COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK.
The US military is our first defense... USE THEM

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: MRinder

There's a limit. We're there at around April 30th. The country can't go on like this if you want a country to return to when the pandemic is over, otherwise we're all going to run out of money sooner or later, unless you are very wealthy ($5 mil in the bank minimum). It's just a matter of time. 2 months is when people will start running out of money for real, bone dry on cash and there isn't enough government cheese in the world to pay us all. We have to get back to work basically at the end of this shelter-in-place period or you're going to see things you'd never of thought would happen in America: increased murder, rapes, robberies, home invasions, and chaos. You cannot have a country of this size sit stagnant without causing major issues that as Trump put it so well, "the cure can't be worse than the disease!"

I agree totally and I even think you are being generous(with regard to what most american's have). Most don't even have enough to weather two or three weeks, let alone months.

Several things to understand, the entire country isn't NYC. Most states(and by far most counties in those states outside of the major city) have literally a handful(5 to 10) deaths from this. Yet everyone is meant to suffer like they are part of a major city, shelter in place, suck all their money from their savings and hope they still have a home in 2 or 3 months.

It's going to boil over(or collapse) fast.

This has all been mishandled to an epic degree of stupidity(or malevolence). There is no reason that towns of 2 or 3k people should adhere to a state governors shutdown orders.

Time to "buck it and # it"(the trend).

I'm pissed about this whole thing and I'm financially set to weather a year or so(not a 5 mil in the bank like you implied though) but I know many(most) can't take another 2 months of this.

Time to #(go full military lock down socialism) or get off the pot(let freedom reign) with freedom comes RISK!!!!

Everyone I talk to is leaning towards a bit of risk(especially as they realize the numbers are being cooked, hard, like a deli in little italy).

Have to admit. It seems like a really good excuse for widespread (and overt) social engineering, huh?

a reply to: MRinder

You don't know the American spirit, they do that it's revolution time, I will not live that way. Most of Americans feel the same. We're not going to be told what to do, you're wrong about that, so far what you have seen is voluntary because most Americans including myself want to help, but we wont throw the baby out with the bath water. We wont be told forever. I'm not scared of COVID-19. It's highly possible I already had it, I had a nasty 3 week flu end of Jan/early Feb that matches the symptoms and I think a lot of us had it especially if you went to the doctor and they determined you had a viral illness during that period of time that wasn't influenza. I have more responsibility than just myself I can't afford to be locked away. Got things to take care of. A lot of social ills come from soldiers walking streets with civilians and I don't think many Americans are going to tolerate that.