524,903 Infected in the U.S. 20,389 Dead from COVID-19 a 3.88% Death Rate

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How do you know that 524K is the number infected?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Hmm.... Seems We Need More Deaths Or Trump Will Reopen the US Economy ? MEMO to Bill Gates , AKA SATAN , Release The KRAKEN !

a reply to: DBCowboy


How do we know?
Because we're testing everybody, obviously...

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German researchers say the United States is only detecting 1.6% of novel coronavirus cases, suggesting there may already be some 26 million infections nationally, 1 million in Florida and several tens of millions worldwide.

In a way, a potentially much higher denominator portends good news of much lower death rates than previously feared. But because of delayed or insufficient testing, the German researchers also conclude that current case counts aren’t very useful information, especially in the U.S., Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, where response to COVID-19 outbreaks has been slower. So they call for urgent improvement in detecting new infections to contain the virus and prevent second and subsequent "waves" of spread. 

“These results mean that governments and policy-makers need to exercise extreme caution when interpreting case numbers for planning purposes," Sebastian Vollmer, professor of development economics at the University of Göttingen, said in a prepared statement.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The infection rate is higher than the tested rate. So the mortality rate means little.

The death rate is most likely much higher than recorded, also. The number of seniors and those dyeing with preexisting conditions aren't being tested.

Also bad is how many people are dying at home before any help can arrive. NY is currently seeing a spike in these at-home deaths and they do not know how to report them or how to include them in the daily numbers. We just don't know how many people are dying alone at home.

New York City officials will begin to count suspected COVID-19 deaths in addition to cases confirmed by a laboratory, following a WNYC/Gothamist report revealing a staggering increase in the number of people dying at home but not included in the official tally because they hadn't been tested for the novel coronavirus.

N PR

This Monday alone in NY, 280 people were found deceased by the time help arrived. Some or many of those will test positive for SARS-CoV-2.

How many others have not been found yet?

a reply to: RadioRobert

If the death rate was .3 % then the draconian, authoritarian measures taken would be more of a power grab by local and state governments.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: RadioRobert

If the death rate was .3 % then the draconian, authoritarian measures taken would be more of a power grab by local and state governments.

Bill , I Agree as Usual , but Come On Man , WTF ? ...............LOL

a reply to: Kharron

Make sure we keep padding those numbers! Noone will notice flu deaths and pneumonia deaths are dropping like a rock, surely...
Those are rookie numbers! Got to get those numbers up!

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: RadioRobert

If the death rate was .3 % then the draconian, authoritarian measures taken would be more of a power grab by local and state governments.

Bill , I Agree as Usual , but Come On Man , WTF ? ...............LOL

We don't know the actual infected.

testing is done at a limited level.

In Oregon, if you have symptoms but don't need hospitalization, you are sent home, not tested.

Only if you are hospitalized, are you tested.

They only test the ones that came in that were sick with symptoms that match the Covid criteria.

So the rest that came in...eighty percent that tested negative, how many of those people died?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: RadioRobert

If the death rate was .3 % then the draconian, authoritarian measures taken would be more of a power grab by local and state governments.

Bill , I Agree as Usual , but Come On Man , WTF ? ...............LOL

We don't know the actual infected.

testing is done at a limited level.

In Oregon, if you have symptoms but don't need hospitalization, you are sent home, not tested.

Only if you are hospitalized, are you tested.

So the only thing we're measuring is how many of the seriously symptomatic cases are fatal... Interesting. Why didn't you bring this up weeks ago..?
Oh, wait...

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So , Covid-19 Testing Kits have Not been Manufactured in Mass Since it's Threat to Human Health was First Detected ? Who Exactly Was Responsible For That > ?

a reply to: RadioRobert

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Might want to check with the FDA on that one. . . . .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: DBCowboy



So , Covid-19 Testing Kits have Not been Manufactured in Mass Since it's Threat to Human Health were First Detected ? Whos Exactly Responsible Fore That > ?

The same inept governments telling you they need absolute power to save you?

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The infection rate is higher than the tested rate. So the mortality rate means little.

The death rate is most likely much higher than recorded, also. The number of seniors and those dyeing with preexisting conditions aren't being tested.

The CDC directive from March 24th tells Coroners to test dead people for Covid-19. If they have it, Covid-19 is to be listed as one of the causes of death.

PROOF: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Actually the problem is the disconnect that people seem to have when confirming their bias. Here are two stats from the CDC.
Influenza - Data are for the U.S.

Mortality
Number of deaths: 6,515

Disease Burden of Influenza

Each year CDC estimates the burden of influenza in the U.S. CDC uses modeling to estimate the number of influenza illnesses, medical visits, flu-associated hospitalizations, and flu-associated deaths that occur in the U.S. in a given season.

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

The first stat is for confirmed cases. Cases where there was a test for flu that came back positive and it was confirmed to have been the cause of death.

The second, the number naysayers love to cite, is just an estimate based on a model, taking into account deaths that may have been due to flu but where not tested. The reason being that tests for flu are not that common.

The bias is highlighted by the fact that people cite the upper estimate but never mention the lower one. But, that doesn't really matter because it is just an estimate performed after the flu season is over.

Now, I don't know how you got a death rate of .02 but if you take the population of the US and only the tested for flu to do the math, flu ends up with a CFR of .000018.

Alright lets use the estimates from the CDC:
9M infected and 6,515 confirmed deaths = .00072
45M infected and 6,515 confirmed deaths = .00014

None of those numbers comes even close to .02. The closest one is still around 28 times less lethal than .02

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Might want to check with the FDA on that one. . . . .

Hmm... FDA . Any Obama Holdovers STILL Infesting that Agency by Any Chance > ?

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: DBCowboy



So , Covid-19 Testing Kits have Not been Manufactured in Mass Since it's Threat to Human Health were First Detected ? Whos Exactly Responsible Fore That > ?

The same inept governments telling you they need absolute power to save you?

Yes , you should have been a Jeopardy Contestant In Another Life Bro ............)

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

Fox News is a crap source

Fox news is better than msnbc, or CNN, or any left-wing media which have been lying for over 3 years and continue lying.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Things to be aware of:

The death rate is only based on testing done, and seeing as testing is lagging behind, there's a good chance that a lot of people have already had the infection, therefore the death rate is probably lower.

Once more testing is done, a more accurate picture can be formed.

There are still risks however, a second wave can occur if quarantine measures are not adhered to

Ironic, that's what was said from the start, but instead of the death rate going down, it has gone up.

And you haven't figured out it's because infection spread is travelling much faster than the testing being done, go figure

And if by better, you mean which turd floating in the bowl smells the best, there isn't that much of a difference

The problem with the numbers is two-fold:

1) We don't know the true number of people who have been infected, so the denominator of of the equation is in doubt.

2) We know that if a person dies, and they test positive of the virus, *and* if could in any way the manner of death could be connected to the virus... the CDC has demanded that it will be counted as a COVID death. It wouldn't matter if they were showing signs or not. If wouldn't matter if they were in their golden years and had all manner of respiratory issues or if they would have just as easily died from another respiratory disease, chalk it up to Wu Flu. So the numerator of the equation is in doubt.

So we have an equation where the numerator is likely to be larger than it should be, and the denominator is likely to be smaller than it should be. That's bad math.