China Announces ‘Preparation for Military Struggle’ with Taiwan

a reply to: purplemer

You think they can go from a handful a month to "thousands a day" overnight? Or that they can realistically produce that many a day? If they're quadcopters, sure. If they're larger military UAVs then no one can produce anywhere near the numbers you just threw out there.

a reply to: Willtell

Why is it "inevitable"?

Taiwan has been around for a while now, and the price the Mainland would have to pay to get it back would be...expensive. Very, very expensive.

Could they do it? Oh, yes, if they're willing to pay the butchers bill, and turn a prosperous, first world nation into an abattoir fit for nothing but a grave yard.

Taiwan wouldn't go willingly, nor quietly, and they've got allies.

China is going to huff and puff, but they're not totally stupid.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: purplemer

You think they can go from a handful a month to "thousands a day" overnight? Or that they can realistically produce that many a day? If they're quadcopters, sure. If they're larger military UAVs then no one can produce anywhere near the numbers you just threw out there.

However you want to dice it they can produce far more far faster than any other nation combined.

It could also be that the "Trump" economy was/is getting too good for China(and the rest of the world for that matter)to take and they are not going to stand still and watch Trump "turn the screws" and leverage the USA's economic and military prowess any longer, many US companies and people have over invested in China and overseas and we can see that play out in the news cycle and could explain the never trumpers as well as the exploitation of the coronavirus crisis and how it has been weaponized by China and those invested in China.
Trump has been trying to "talk nice" in regards to China leader Xi yet his policy is hard hitting and has possibly become unacceptable to communist China.
This is a deep topic and I like this explanation but it has been hard to explain and grasp.
I think the current strife in Venezuela is related as well.

www.ussc.edu.au...

The report also examines the extent to which the US dollar and other currencies can be "weaponised" as part of a "currency war". While the United States could resort to intervention in foreign exchange markets or a managed exchange rate as part of its trade war with the rest of the world, these efforts would only introduce increased volatility into financial markets, without changing underlying economic fundamentals. However, the dominance of the US dollar in global finance does provide the United States with a potentially powerful instrument of international economic coercion when used to enforce economic and financial sanctions against state and non-state actors.

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
What happens historically, when america runs outta money??

Come on, Bush highlighted this!!

Wilson, (Thomas) Woodrow - World War I (1914-1918)
Roosevelt, Franklin Delano - World War II (1939-1945)
*Truman, Harry S. - Korean War (1950-1953)
*Johnson, Lyndon Baines - escalated involvement in Vietnam War (1954-1975)
Nixon, Richard Milhous - escalated involvement in Vietnam War (1954-1975)
Bush, George Herbert Walker - Persian Gulf War I with Iraq (1990)
Clinton, William Jefferson "Bill" - Persian Gulf War II with Iraq (1999)
Bush, George W. "Dubya" - Afgan War against the Talliban and Al Qaeda (2001...)
Iraqi Invasion and Occupation (2003...)
"War on Terror"
Obama, Barack Hussein II - "Pashtunistan - Waziristan War"

and soon maybe Trump

a reply to: purplemer

Being able to produce something doesn't make a huge difference if you can't use them effectively. China building aircraft carriers doesn't suddenly make them a blue water navy capable of projecting power around the world. They're still years away from being able to effectively use said carriers.

they are making noise because they know we are down a carrier in the region, next will come a demand for some concession this is nothing than an attempt to flex some muscle and gain something small so they can crow about it to their people about how they cowed the rest of the world.

a reply to: Arnie123

I have no doubt the U.S. would support Taiwan. At issue is whether we'd go to all-out war with China over Taiwan. We wouldn't.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: purplemer

Being able to produce something doesn't make a huge difference if you can't use them effectively. China building aircraft carriers doesn't suddenly make them a blue water navy capable of projecting power around the world. They're still years away from being able to effectively use said carriers.

That because Chinas primary military goal is defence. Which is another reason they will not be beaten in a war with the US.

a reply to: purplemer

we dont have to invade and beat them, just beat them in a very public and brutal fashion in the ocean and there will be a new govt installed quickly... especially if our techies flood we chat with the footage.

it will still be the CCP but lots of people calling the shots now would be gone.

a reply to: Irishhaf

THe US cant really win a war with Afghanistan or Vietnam and you think you could beat China on its own ground..

a reply to: purplemer

You don't build aircraft carriers for defense. And the bases they're starting to build in other countries are for defense, right? That's why they're trying to grab all the resources they can, no matter who they belong to. For defense. Sure. They're totally peaceful and are only trying to defend against the evil United States.

a reply to: purplemer

No one trying to win the hearts and minds of people in a country, and handicapping their forces is going to win a fight.

After the democratic Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek, who was US backed, lost to communist Mao Zedong for control of China the US helped install Chiang Kai-shek as the Taiwanese first president and being so this has been a sore spot in US and China relations and since Taiwan has been a strategic partner for the US.
I don't think that we can compare our relationship with Taiwan to the Russia-Syria relationship however if we do go to WW3, I agree it won't be just because China is going after Taiwan but it could be a catalyst to deeper tensions and aspirations of global dominance that China has and the USA is standing in there way. If the "Trump" economy continues China may never be in position to strike as they are now.

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Arnie123

I have no doubt the U.S. would support Taiwan. At issue is whether we'd go to all-out war with China over Taiwan. We wouldn't.

a reply to: purplemer

Note I said we do not have to beat them by invasion, their islands in the south china sea, their bases abroad, their grabbing reefs from Philippines to drill for oil, all of those are targets if we crush everything they send out it will deal so much brutal damage to their leaders the power brokers behind the CCP will replace the shot callers and they will go back into their shell while continuing to evolve their power projection.

ETA: ANY naval assets that leave port and enter international waters...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: purplemer

You don't build aircraft carriers for defense. And the bases they're starting to build in other countries are for defense, right? That's why they're trying to grab all the resources they can, no matter who they belong to. For defense. Sure. They're totally peaceful and are only trying to defend against the evil United States.

As I said China has a military designed to defend. You may not agree with the statergy theyt use but this fact remains the same.

IN repsect I am not saying anyone is being evil. But the records of aggression from the USA far outcompete China.

China does not seem to more far outside its perception of what it is. Would you like a list of was the US has engaged and started since it conception.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: purplemer

No one trying to win the hearts and minds of people in a country, and handicapping their forces is going to win a fight.

Sorry i dont get your point are you referring to the US trying to win hearts and minds in the Iraq war that according to the Lancet paper (peer reviewed) A occupation that killed nearly a million people most of whom where women and children.

A war that was started on the false pretence that Iraq was behind 911.

a reply to: purplemer

China may not be starting wars in the conventional sense, but they're pushing neighbors around, laying claim to territory they have no right to, and seizing resources that belong to other countries. That sure as hell doesn't sound like defense.

Again, aircraft carriers are designed to project power. You don't project power for defense. Their initial plan was to build 10 carriers of mixed type. They're still looking at between 4 and 6.

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: face23785

Not really, in a conventional war they are toast if they come up against the US and they know it.

They sink an American warship under this administration and it is "game over".

It think it would be game over from both sides. You think you can win a war in a with China. Its a country that can manufacture thousands more drones a day than the US/

In the age of autmotion of warfare its not a war the US wins.

You'd be surprised how quickly manufacturing can get started.
One American made weapon of war is worth 1,000 of anything China can make.
China are sh*t at manufacturing - every time they try to make anything it falls to pieces instead of working.
The only reason the globalists pushed manufacturing there is because it's cheap and the authoritarian and tyrannical govt. can keep their people in check as slaves.

Just look at the response by the US to the PPE and ventilator shortages.
In spite of what the media has reported it has been amazing and we have not been without, in fact we have had to disassemble hospitals built and we, the USA, will be sending other countries ventilators and masks we have so many being manufactured.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: face23785

Not really, in a conventional war they are toast if they come up against the US and they know it.

They sink an American warship under this administration and it is "game over".

It think it would be game over from both sides. You think you can win a war in a with China. Its a country that can manufacture thousands more drones a day than the US/

In the age of autmotion of warfare its not a war the US wins.

You'd be surprised how quickly manufacturing can get started.
One American made weapon of war is worth 1,000 of anything China can make.
China are sh*t at manufacturing - every time they try to make anything it falls to pieces instead of working.
The only reason the globalists pushed manufacturing there is because it's cheap and the authoritarian and tyrannical govt. can keep their people in check as slaves.

a reply to: purplemer

Funny how now it's about Iraq when initially you said Afghanistan and Vietnam. But no matter. Compare Vietnam, Afghanistan, and second Iraq to Desert Storm. In three of those four forces in the field all had something in common. They were handicapped and, at times, forced to fight with both hands tied behind their back. In all three of those, the forces that were in contact, and actively fighting, had to go up the chain of command, sometimes as far as Washington DC, to get permission to use forces to fight back.

In both Iraq and Afghanistan, they had to get permission from higher to get artillery support or close air support. And if it even looked like a round would go near a village they were frequently denied permission. No military force in existence can win like that.

Now compare that to Desert Storm. The objective was to eliminate the Iraqi military threat, not occupy Iraq. Despite being ranked fairly high on the list of air defense capabilities, they were eliminated as a military threat in something like 100 hours. In that case our forces were told "Go. Kill." and Washington stayed out of their way.

As pointed out, we don't have to invade and occupy China. Eliminate their ability to project power or fight their neighbors effectively, and sit back and wait.