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A taste of Socialism

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posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:03 PM
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All the isms are just joke and a game played on the people to give them the illusion of change and freedom, while really they remain trapped under the foot of the select and chosen few; the oligarchs. It doesn’t matter what the philosophy of any of the systems are or who owns what, it always ends up the same, the same handfuls of powerful people and families occupying the positions of power.

The lords and ladies of the feudal system, become the corporate heads and leaders of the capitalism system, they become the heads of the party when communism takes over and they shift around and take their same place when the fascists rise. It doesn’t matter to them.

The philosophies of the governments and even the flags and nations are irrelevant, because all the nations and systems operate really under the same rules and overall system; Mystery Babylon, which was set down at the time of Babylon and has never changed since. It is the pyramidal hierarchical system of organization coupled with and utilizing money to function. The “elite” always know how to scramble to the positions and levers of power in any system, because they know the rules of how to subvert the overarching system of Mystery Babylon to their gain. As long as any system functions under the rules and structure of Mystery Babylon they will always be corruptible and controllable by the “elite”.

Not only that, but no system is actually better than any other either. They all function well on paper and all fall to corruption in action in the world. The monarchical system is not inherently worse than any other and if you have a benevolent king it functions well for the people, only when the king becomes corrupt and devolves into a tyrant does it go bad, but then all systems fall to corruption.

One has to look no further than the United States which actually had many checks and balances in an effort to stifle corruption and yet it has fallen completely to endemic, chronic and fatal corruption. Can any American truly look at the senate and the politicians, who become millionaires by the time they leave “public service”, often live in walled estates, who have personal security forces, whose children go to the finest universities and receive jobs of wealth, power and influence through nepotism and say, that they are any different than any of the lords and ladies under the old feudal systems. They make the laws, the laws they don’t even have to follow, because they are special and protected class.

Who cares about any of these isms, just a waste of time debating them, none are good, none are bad and all fall to corruption, because Mystery Babylon always remains. Pyramids of power are always easy to subvert to ones will, if you already have wealth, influence and power, which the “elite” always have.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: face23785

Honest question. If a group of armed patriots rose up, because of the measures currently being enforced, would these conservative leaning military personnel defend the dully elected officials or would they side with the patriots?

What about those who are not conservative leaning?


It depends what the issue is. The military doesn't swear an oath to defend elected officials, they swear an oath to defend the Constitution and to obey the lawful orders of their superiors.

Now are they going to defect en masse over some minor perceived rub of the Constitution? No, of course not. Nor, as numerous people in this thread have said, would the "armed patriots" rise up over some minor rub, so that's really not the question.

The question is, if it got to that critical mass where a significant number of "armed patriots" rose up, would much of the military be with them? The answer is yes.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: face23785

And, as some have pointed out in this thread, the patriots actually rising up is very unlikely, so it really doesn't matter if those soldiers are conservative or not.

It is just another example of people posting empty rhetoric and nothing more.
edit on 8-4-2020 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: MRinder

And they said I'm melodramatic and full of hyperbole at times. That was Then.



All I got was the ideal-standard toilet paper scarcity. Mine is wet now, I'm literally hanging stripes to dry as we speak. How does this even work? I don't wanna smear crap all over me, or do I?!?

Anyhow. What was the topic again and who am I? What day is it? Muersday the 47th of March?

I'm literally loosing my individuality with everyone living in their crypt like a rapping painter and all you wannabe experts without any meaning or purpose in life can think about, is socialism?

This is too easy.





posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: face23785

And, as some have pointed out in this thread, the patriots actually rising up is very unlikely, so it really doesn't matter if those soldiers are conservative or not.

It is just another example of people posting empty rhetoric and nothing more.


The civil rights movement was empty rhetoric until it reached a critical mass. If it never reaches the point of a 2nd civil war, I'm okay with that. If it ever does though, it's not gonna go down the way you guys fantasize. The military isn't just gonna protect the government if the government has become so dangerous that the citizenry rose up en masse.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: face23785
Nobody is fantasizing about anything. We are just saying that until it reaches that point, which it probably never will, it is a lot of talk.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of complaining about things going down the road which these same people say is crossing the line. Some of us are just pointing out the inconstancy.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
We are not there yet seems to be a convenient excuse.

So, by all means, go to war... and we'll all read about another lone nutjob that got murdered what he deserved on the nightly news.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: tanstaafl
I'm not the one saying I am all reved up and ready to overthrow the government.

I'm not part of the "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." crowd.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: themessengernevermatters

Excellent. Thanks for posting.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
I'm not the one saying I am all reved up and ready to overthrow the government.

I'm not part of the "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." crowd.


You are part of the "give tax $ to everyone regardless of whether they have ever paid taxes or not" crowd....

Lolz🤪



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Scepticaldem
I'm not part of that crowd either.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: face23785
Nobody is fantasizing about anything. We are just saying that until it reaches that point, which it probably never will, it is a lot of talk.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of complaining about things going down the road which these same people say is crossing the line. Some of us are just pointing out the inconstancy.


So until something happens, it hasn't happened yet.

Thanks for the profound insight. I dunno where we'd be without you to inform us of these things.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
I'm not the one saying I am all reved up and ready to overthrow the government.

I'm not part of the "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." crowd.


I see ... so it's not really crossing a line until someone is ready to get violent with you?

Is that how "no" works when you want to sleep with someone? She (or he) doesn't really mean it until they are actively fighting back against whatever it is you are trying to do?



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: face23785
It means that until someone actually does something they are just blowing hot air or maybe just venting.

It looks like none of what they say is really ever going to happen.

edit on 8-4-2020 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
No, it has nothing to do with people getting violent with me. Has nothing to do with me in any form.

It would actually be more like someone saying that if someone tried to rape them they would wreak havoc on them and when it actually happens they acquiesce.

Then someone says, "I thought you would kill anyone who tried to do that to you?"

And they say, "Well, [Insert some excuse here]"



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 05:41 PM
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When the states have two classes, civilian an military, you then have my permission to cry.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: MRinder

You are not talking about democratic socialism but authoritarian anything.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: MRinder

You are not talking about democratic socialism but authoritarian anything.



Sure sure




posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 08:26 PM
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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
I'm not the one saying I am all reved up and ready to overthrow the government.

I'm not part of the "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." crowd.

So... maybe consider just STFU about it then?




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