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A taste of Socialism

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posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MRinder

To be fair, the government debt has been building for decades.

Under Obama, the National debt briefly exceeded GDP, but they (Congress, not the President) reigned it in.

Under Trump it has always exceeded GDP, for the whole three years and there's been no attempt to cap it (not really Trump's fault as budget is the domain of Congress).

Still, you'd think a successful businessman would know the difference between debt and capital.




Imagine where we would be, under "President Hillary"... right now. Seriously.

It would be carnage. The MSM would relish in the bloodshed; ratings would be through the roof.

Pause for a minute. Take a deep breath... because, this is what we avoided.



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: madmac5150
Avoid it, at all costs.

Even if the cost is a socialist america?

I think the question, "When is enough, enough?", is pretty legit.

Especially when the OP is saying that this is a taste of socialism and in other threads people are saying that this might be a permanent thing.


This will NEVER be a socialist country.

Repeat after me: "This will NEVER be a socialist country."

Patriots will never let that happen.



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: madmac5150

So you won't avoid war at all costs.

Funny, cause that was what you had just said.



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: madmac5150

"Debt" is not real anyway.

Where did these Trillions of dollars just come from? Did someone actually have Trillions to loan?

No, they simply typed a few Trillion into existence on a keyboard. Inflating the money supply. It is all a shell game.



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MRinder

To be fair, the government debt has been building for decades.

Under Obama, the National debt briefly exceeded GDP, but they (Congress, not the President) reigned it in.

Under Trump it has always exceeded GDP, for the whole three years and there's been no attempt to cap it (not really Trump's fault as budget is the domain of Congress).

Still, you'd think a successful businessman would know the difference between debt and capital.




Imagine where we would be, under "President Hillary"... right now. Seriously.

It would be carnage. The MSM would relish in the bloodshed; ratings would be through the roof.

Pause for a minute. Take a deep breath... because, this is what we avoided.


I think it would have gone down pretty much the same.

Hillary would not have been in total control, just as Trump isn't.

That's the idea of the system there, it was set up to auto-balance, which is what it 'sort of' does. It is cumulative of everyone involved, not just the current figure head.

edit on 7/4/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder
It occurred to me that our existence during this wonderful Covid pandemic is like a tiny taste of what our lives world be like under the socialist policies of the Bernie Sanders and AOC's of the world.

No job.. check

Government pays for everything for everyone.. check

Instantaneous mass build up of national, state, county and local debt... Check

No toilet paper... Check

No food at the grocery stores and a shortage of everything.... Check

We are all equally miserable... Check

No purpose to life.. check

People dying left and right... Check

How are you all enjoying your tiny taste of socialism so far? What's it taste like?


Wierd, I live in a country that has a capitalist economy, but has a strong socialist influence as well.

Yet-
- we have grocery stores that are stocked as normal.

- We have toilet paper.

- Everyone still has a job. Those that can't work from home go on leave for technical problems -meaning they continue to get their normal salary, because they get back what they've been paying into unemployment insurance. Laws protect their job security.

- People aren't miserable - families are having barbeques in the garden at lunchtime. Enjoying the time off.

-They don't have the media scaring the hell out of them all day.

-We've been on lockdown for almost a month now



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: madmac5150

"Debt" is not real anyway.

Where did these Trillions of dollars just come from? Did someone actually have Trillions to loan?

No, they simply typed a few Trillion into existence on a keyboard. Inflating the money supply. It is all a shell game.


If that's the case, then why do we bother to work for legal bartering tender? If it's not really real, doesn't that attitude leave us with a degree of accepted socialist thinking anyway?



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: madmac5150

So you won't avoid war at all costs.

Funny, cause that was what you had just said.


War is the absolute, last resort. Last f*%cking resort.

You are also talking about, a war on our government... our own countrymen.

That cannot happen. If it does... as a nation... we are lost.

This isn't the 1860s... a civil war now, would sentence us all to death. That is no joke. It isn't clever rhetoric. It's fact.


edit on 7-4-2020 by madmac5150 because: Added emphasis



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: madmac5150

So patriots would let america become socialist because the nation would be lost anyway?

You seem to be flip-flopping.

OP said this is a taste of socialism, someone asked why aren't patriots doing something and you said war must be avoided at all costs and now you are saying it is a last resort. But wouldn't this be the call to use the last resort?

I keep reading that this is taking away freedom and rights. Isn't that the line?


edit on 7-4-2020 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:51 PM
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People don't understand what a 2A, civilian, constitutional rights uprising would look like. It's why they don't get why It "hasn't happened already" over some such nonsense.

We are talking the whole shebang, from local right up to federal.

Going into your city, your state and eventually your federal buildings. Executing all elected officials even the clerical staff in said buildings.

Going to the local police, the state police and the national level (guard, military) and giving them an ultimatum of standing with the citizens or against. Killing members of our own community, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers. Reigning hellfire upon the country in a LAST DITCH EFFORT to protect the concepts of the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It's asinine to think that this isn't a last resort(absolute) step to be taken lightly.

It will end the world as we know it and for many it will rip our souls from our body and throw us into eternal damnation. The only reason to do so would be to give the next generations a "chance" at being free.

In that light, it's not hard to understand while many(albeit willing) wish to avoid it at all costs.
edit on 7-4-2020 by ZapBrannigan3030 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: madmac5150

So patriots would let america become socialist because the nation would be lost anyway?

You seem to be flip-flopping.

OP said this is a taste of socialism, someone asked why aren't patriots doing something and you said war must be avoided at all costs and now you are saying it is a last resort. But wouldn't this be the call to use the last resort?

I keep reading that this is taking away freedom and rights. Isn't that the line?



I'm suggesting avoiding an armed conflict.

Is that what you would have? Is blood what you want?



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: madmac5150

Oddly enough, it seems those that favor the left seem to be more on board with rash decisions that lead to national/international conflict.....

It's almost like they have an inherent lower value of life compared to others....



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030
People don't understand what a 2A, civilian, constitutional rights uprising would look like. It's why they don't get why It "hasn't happened already" over some such nonsense.

We are talking the whole shebang, from local right up to federal.

Going into your city, your state and eventually your federal buildings. Executing all elected officials even the clerical staff in said buildings.

Going to the local police, the state police and the national level (guard, military) and giving them an ultimatum of standing with the citizens or against. Killing members of our own community, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers. Reigning hellfire upon the country in a LAST DITCH EFFORT to protect the concepts of the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It's asinine to think that this isn't a last resort(absolute) step to be taken lightly.

It will end the world as we know it and for many it will rip our souls from our body and throw us into eternal damnation. The only reason to do so would be to give the next generations a "chance" at being free.

In that light, it's not hard to understand while many(albeit willing) wish to avoid it at all costs.


I think a series of good old fashioned coordinated mass protests would garner much state and federal attention, and probably cause some power-hungry willies to ascend inward.

I think the idea being kicked around wouldn't be to start shooting right way, that's foolhardy. Give 'em options to choose from before considering the last resort seems to be the goal.



posted on Apr, 7 2020 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: madmac5150
I'm asking where the line is because some seem to think this is a loss of freedoms and rights and I'm asking if that isn't the line then, is there really a line?



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030
People don't understand what a 2A, civilian, constitutional rights uprising would look like. It's why they don't get why It "hasn't happened already" over some such nonsense.

We are talking the whole shebang, from local right up to federal.

Going into your city, your state and eventually your federal buildings. Executing all elected officials even the clerical staff in said buildings.

Going to the local police, the state police and the national level (guard, military) and giving them an ultimatum of standing with the citizens or against. Killing members of our own community, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers. Reigning hellfire upon the country in a LAST DITCH EFFORT to protect the concepts of the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It's asinine to think that this isn't a last resort(absolute) step to be taken lightly.

It will end the world as we know it and for many it will rip our souls from our body and throw us into eternal damnation. The only reason to do so would be to give the next generations a "chance" at being free.

In that light, it's not hard to understand while many(albeit willing) wish to avoid it at all costs.


I think a series of good old fashioned coordinated mass protests would garner much state and federal attention, and probably cause some power-hungry willies to ascend inward.

I think the idea being kicked around wouldn't be to start shooting right way, that's foolhardy. Give 'em options to choose from before considering the last resort seems to be the goal.


I agree, and I thought I made that point clear. We need to exhaust all avenues, there are many before the whole "why aren't you using your 2a" crap comes on board.

Local and state governments have power. Beyond the federal. We need to see rationality come back into rural areas that won't capitulate to state sanctions, let alone federal.

Basically, we have so many options, the last of which is an old fashioned "shoot out" which a lot of people assume many of us should resort too(it's an ABSOLUTE last resort).



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope
Actually that boot on our neck right now is the last howl of a dying beast that is the post 1973 world order. Whatever year they killed the gold standard.

Have you not noticed OPEC has become toothless, and the member states are pumping at will whatever quantity they please.

Paradigm shifts have consequences, that is what we are witnessing. It's that small timespan of anarchy you get for a turn or two in the game sid miers civilization during a government change.

Covid has been a great scapegoat though. Round one was ISIS. Global multi national threat where the world's greatest military powers could share the battlefield without much speculation on who was actually fighting who, but they were all fighting ISIS.

Now the world is also jumping on sides militarily .... To fight.... Microbes??? With nano jets and micro tanks??
The one and only reason Italy was so sensationalized with hysterics was that house cleaning at the Vatican. And it was Vatican owned papers posting pages of obituaries. I wonder if Russia evacuated some of them or were picking them up?? For certain prisoner swaps were arranged for the same time frame.

People who know things disappear all the time while not working for certain others. These exchanges of folks that don't exist and never have IMO show a winding down of one side of a conflict. The Pacific is only just heating up.

I have to wonder, was this supposed covid docking of the carrier fleet in Australia related to the combined joint exercises the Chinese armed forces were conducting in the South China Sea in a very close interval??

I heard rumors unsubstantiated thus far about Iran now being g accused of originally working on a strain that went to China. I don't know if that was an old rumor catching up to me though or something new. If it is a recent development than they are setting the stage for the Iraq wmd redux operation freedom Tehran.

That's the battle of our time man. Or maybe the Easter bunny will get some spring in his step?? And we'll just watch that instead. I mean it would also connect the rebasing of early warning to Cheyenne Mountain from Peterson was it?? Damnit I need a big ass map to draw on . If I could show it to you all in an image based on weapons and forces deployments some of you would finally see what I am seeing. The chess board is all lined up. By may fake virus hysteria will wane and the media will redirect to foreign hostilities, then election. Before the election there will be a harrowing event that escalates kinetically.
edit on 4-8-2020 by worldstarcountry because: typos



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:12 AM
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originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030
People don't understand what a 2A, civilian, constitutional rights uprising would look like. It's why they don't get why It "hasn't happened already" over some such nonsense.

We are talking the whole shebang, from local right up to federal.

Going into your city, your state and eventually your federal buildings. Executing all elected officials even the clerical staff in said buildings.

Going to the local police, the state police and the national level (guard, military) and giving them an ultimatum of standing with the citizens or against. Killing members of our own community, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers. Reigning hellfire upon the country in a LAST DITCH EFFORT to protect the concepts of the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It's asinine to think that this isn't a last resort(absolute) step to be taken lightly.

It will end the world as we know it and for many it will rip our souls from our body and throw us into eternal damnation. The only reason to do so would be to give the next generations a "chance" at being free.

In that light, it's not hard to understand while many(albeit willing) wish to avoid it at all costs.


I think a series of good old fashioned coordinated mass protests would garner much state and federal attention, and probably cause some power-hungry willies to ascend inward.

I think the idea being kicked around wouldn't be to start shooting right way, that's foolhardy. Give 'em options to choose from before considering the last resort seems to be the goal.


I agree, and I thought I made that point clear. We need to exhaust all avenues, there are many before the whole "why aren't you using your 2a" crap comes on board.

Local and state governments have power. Beyond the federal. We need to see rationality come back into rural areas that won't capitulate to state sanctions, let alone federal.

Basically, we have so many options, the last of which is an old fashioned "shoot out" which a lot of people assume many of us should resort too(it's an ABSOLUTE last resort).


I think conflating the Second with Doing Something is rooted in the expectation or belief that patriots, or Americans in general, are typically seen as being constantly armed, so the ingrained thinking isn't separating the two by default.
I really don't think too many folks are advocating for letting bullets fly yet, they're operating on an misconception of the prevalence of people being constantly armed over here.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

I think it has more to do with people talking about the 2nd being there to take down tyrannical government and then people go on and on about how tyrannical the US government is acting, and people can't help but wonder why all the complaining when americans keep saying the 2nd is there to take care of that situation.

Truth be told, it is a rhetorical question.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Nyiah

I think it has more to do with people talking about the 2nd being there to take down tyrannical government and then people go on and on about how tyrannical the US government is acting, and people can't help but wonder why all the complaining when americans keep saying the 2nd is there to take care of that situation.

Truth be told, it is a rhetorical question.


True, it is somewhat of a toothless stance if it's never used when the opportunity is right in front of the country's collective face. But you can't just start out making demands while firing away. You'd got to make the government pee it's pants a little with mass demands & large numbers of people making them peacefully first, before that's ever brought into the picture as an option. It's the old "ball's in their court" method.



posted on Apr, 8 2020 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah
Meanwhile people keep complaining that the country is becoming socialist while someone like madmac5150 assures me that can never happen because patriots won't allow it.

Which is it?

The ball in their court seems to end like Waco or Ruby Ridge. Maybe even the Occupy movement, where peaceful protesters where maced/pepper sprayed and dragged away.




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