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originally posted by: nugget1
There's been a lot of speculation that the death toll in China is closer to 20-40 million than the 3,326 they claim. Looking at how high the death toll is around the rest of the world, and China's known reputation of hiding unfavorable information, it's a pretty safe bet they're fudging the facts.
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: EnigmaChaser
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: rickymouse
Yea I agree with this too, but China, coulda done more, and someone has to be responsible for this, but speaking of politics, the lefties Will probably never blame China, their actions leading us to this pandemic.
China worked hard to keep it in their own country and cities. They were busy fighting a war, they were trying to stop it from being a world event when they figured out what it was. This virus may have been an escaped virus, or it may have been a natural virus that got into humans and turned into this. One person working at the food market is all that was needed to spread it. It may not have even originally come from China, it could have come from outside of their country.
China did not want to panic the world, if they had, and nothing happened outside their country, everyone would have been mad at them.
The reason this is a pandemic is because people are traveling all over the world, this would have been a local Chinese event thirty years ago. It is our stupid societies desires to go travel everywhere that caused this, the inability of us to be satisfied with just looking at a picture of things, the internet wound up boosting air travel because people were putting things on line and telling others how great it is over there. I thought it would be great to have a person just send a picture, instead it created a flying frenzy.
I can’t say I see eye-to-eye with this one.
Humans like experiences - and the world got smaller with all of our formerly-existing transportation abilities.
Some people also like experiencing different cultures, foods/restaurants, drinks, scenery, etc.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame human curiosity and desire to explore for all of this. And I also don’t think it’s fair to assert people should be satisfied sitting in their recliner on their iPad looking at all the cool stuff in the world without any expectation they’d ever be able to see it for themselves.
Traveling all over the world and going on cruise ships will devastate our environment. Not just spread pathogens. People should not be traveling to Italy a quarter of the way around the world just to vacation. We do not have to destroy this world and mankind to have a good time.
I like beef, a hamburger is great, a T-bone steak is great. If I eat the t-bones all the time, then treat myself to the prime rib, that becomes my new norm. What happens when I start eating only Prime rib all the time, what is better than that. I won't want to go back to eating burger again. If that happens everywhere, they will raise cows just for the prime rib and the rest gets made into cat food or dog food. The price of the prime rib goes up to fifty bucks a pound and I wind up spending my whole paycheck on beef. You get addicted to that kind of life, my cousin was going on cruise ship rides every year for a while, flying down there to catch the cruise. Him and his wife love the cruises and they got some of their friends addicted. They didn't go this year because of the pandemic, they were going to go in February some time I think.
Think about that, He is retired, he has money and can afford the trips, but they are addicted to the cruises. They did not want to be inconvenienced by being quarantined, but they are home and quarantined anyway because of a lockdown in Michigan.
Flying all over the world by multitudes of people is stupid, it raises the risk of diseases like this spreading. I do not think that this disease is as bad as it is being made out to be, but it is still bad. But there are going to be more and more bad diseases in the future because everyone wants what they want. So this leads to more and more unnatural chemistry being introduced into the environment which leads to mutations in microbes of all kinds. The worlds balance of microbes is off now and it is just going to get worse. This is a much more important thing that the global warming scam they are promoting. In our near future lots of people are going to die because of our ignorance and chasing of our wants instead of being content with our needs plus an ocassional treat of a small want. People have made their wants their needs too, that is bad news.
We are headed to a great depression and pandemics and epidemics galore. Nature will soon punish us for our ignorance of common sense. Lots of people are guilty, and sadly the ones who truely care for this world will probably suffer the most.
Now look back at what
originally posted by: jtma508
For some people, no. The world economy is more important. So let's look at the numbers. Without instituting social distancing and closing businesses 3 separate models predicted roughly 2.2M people would die in the U.S. That's 5.5%. So using that as a guide, 385M people would die worldwide. 15% of patients require hospitalization so that's so an additional 665M people hospitalized. Every healthcare system in the world would collapse under those numbers. Without any controls 60-70% of people would be expected to contract COVID.
So 60-70% of your workforce would end up getting sick --- some more so than others --- but that would dramatically affect businesses ability to function. And once people see their coworkers getting sick and dying they'll stop coming to work. Or they will be unable to come to work in order to take care of sick family members. There would be no access to doctors or basic medicine and panic would quickly ensue.
What would THAT do to your global economy??
originally posted by: lincolnparadox
a reply to: PandaPrincess
Let's look at US projections, without any social distancing, stay-at-home, or quarantine.
81% of people in the US are expected to be infected (that's 261 million people).
The novel SARS-CoV2 virus is moderately infectious with human-to-transfer rates of 2.7 new infections from each infected patient.
15.5% to 20.2% of the cases will be asymptomatic (no symptoms, but still infectious, 50.7 to 66 million people who can infect 136.9 to 178.5 million people). Obviously, these are the people who will spread the virus most effectively. They don't look sick. They don't feel sick. However, they will infect half of the country just based on the numbers.
Of the symptomatic cases (195 to 210.3 million people):
81% of the cases will be mild (a very bad chest cold, 157.8 to 170.3 million people)
14% will be severe requiring hospitalization (requiring oxygen and possibly a ventilator, 27.3 to 29.4 million people)
5% of the cases will be critical, leading to organ failure (requiring Intensive Case treatment, 9.75 to 10.5 million people)
The mortality rate is somewhere between 0.7% and 3.8% (these people are dead and includes everyone, kids, teens, adults, elderly, 1.3 to 7.99 million people)
Social distancing and stay-at-home orders will reduce these numbers. With the current federal orders, we are still looking at 100,000 to 240,000 dead. That's the best-case scenario in the US.