US Navy removes Captain Brett Crozier who raised alarm

a reply to: JIMC5499

Counterpoint: you need to retake reading comprehension.
The 3 days you're referring to was the time between discovery of the first infected sailors aboard the Roosevelt and the ship's arrival at Guam.
The Strike Group departed Da Nang March 9 and arrived at Guam March 27 meaning it took 18 days to travel 2,124 nautical miles which translates as approximately 5 knots.

Got relieved isn't there when they need him the most, no idea if his replacement will be a worthy commander or a political suck up.

He failed his people when they needed him the most, if you push it up the chain and they do not respond there are avenues to make things happen faster.

Now the sailors left behind have to hope they get a good commander, the relieved captain doesn't deserve praise he deserves to be forgotten.

a reply to: ChayOphan

They're not going in a straight line after they leave somewhere usually. When they left Da Nang they continued normal operations, until the first case was confirmed. From the 15th to the 19th she was reformed and training with the USS America and her escorts as part of an Expeditionary Strike Force. They were also sailing together before she went to Vietnam.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Couple questions because I have been anticipating your perspective on this. 1. Is there any precedent for this event? Has a captain ever done anything like this before that violated OPSEC in such a degree that you are aware? 2. If there is something more to the story are we likely to ever hear it or is this going to be shutdown and forgotten as soon as possible? (Not insisting there must be more to it) 3. Do we just hope other State actors ignore the event or do you suspect there will be a show of readiness and competence at some point?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you!
I figured it was something along those lines as I'd noted Cobra Gold occurring in roughly same time/space. Your input together with OPSEC fog resolves this perfectly for me.
Again, thanks!

a reply to: sputniksteve

1. Off the top of my head, no. I see a lot of "he violated OPSEC", and have two counter points to that. First, the Navy announced that there were active cases on board and they were going to Guam for testing. Anyone with an understanding of carrier life already knew it was going to spread, and she was going to be down awhile.

Second, SecNav came out and said they don't know if the Captain leaked the letter or not. They don't have any idea how it hit the media. Yes, he jumped the chain of command, but right now, no one in the leadership is saying he leaked it.

2. If there was more to it, then in 5 or 6 months they'll quietly release something that will largely go unnoticed. Honestly, I don't think there was. The first 100 rules of life in the military are variations on "Don't embarrass the leadership" (yes, I'm exaggerating on that, other than the "don't embarrass the leadership part). This gave them a very large black eye.

3. China already has. They put a "research station" on Fiery Cross Reef, which is claimed by the Philippines. I doubt we'll see much more than that though. Too many countries are in the same boat right now.

a reply to: Zaphod58

"If there was more to it... Honestly, I don't think there was."
Meaning you genuinely accept the known components of this story at face value? You get no sense of deliberate obfuscation in what's being publically reported?

a reply to: ChayOphan

I've seen far too many people removed or reprimanded for giving the leadership a black eye. I haven't seen anything that raises a red flag for anything beyond that at this point.

a reply to: skybandit

Interestingly, this clip makes it look like the crew was glad to see the captain go.


twitter.com...

a reply to: carewemust

I think you are misreading that video, they were giving him a hero's send off, chanting his name and rank like they loved the guy.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well said and thanks for the input. With all that's going on these days it's way too easy to give in to fear, paranoia, etc., solid intel is more valuable than ever. I know it helps keep my screws tight - relatively speaking.
Thanks much. Seriously.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Let me clarify: President Trump is the leader of the free world

Actually, Angela Merkel is picking up that honour of late...but I digress.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I've seen far too many people removed or reprimanded for giving the leadership a black eye.
I haven't seen anything that raises a red flag for anything beyond that at this point.

Except for the fact that the NavSec is only an "acting" leader, who replaced the last leader that Trump fired for disagreeing with him for overturning the conviction of a war criminal...no red flags.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

doesn't matter if he is acting or not, he has the authority to do what he did...

Stretching it to trump seriously, go outside and get some fresh air you are better than this.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Trump's priorities are not for the safety and well being of the men and women he's Commander in Chief of. That's historically quite obvious.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Any attempt to link the decision to relive the captain to trump is a huge stretch, there is a long history where if a commander gives a black eye to the branch they are in they get relieved.

This is SOP, especially when it involves potentially leaking classified info to the press and yes manpower issues fall in that range.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So what. An acting Secretary is still a Secretary. They have all the responsibilities and power of a full Secretary. That's hardly a red flag. He was fulfilling his obligations.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The fact that he's only "acting" NavSec, because Trump fired the other guy, speaks to Trump's [questionable or lack of] commitment to the men and women onboard that ship, not the acting NavSec's. However I doubt this NavSec has the balls to stand up to Trump, if he disagreed with the captain's removal, like his predecessor did. Trump hires yes men [and women].


Trump made it clear at his presser, yesterday, that the [whistleblower] captain had to go.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: carewemust

I think you are misreading that video, they were giving him a hero's send off, chanting his name and rank like they loved the guy.

It's funny, people see what they "want" to see.

a reply to: carewemust

Just more proof that the world can't even agree on what is real anymore.

Obviously it was cheers of adulation.

WTH

Is this gonna be like that dress pic or laurel/yanny?