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US Navy removes Captain Brett Crozier who raised alarm

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posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: Fools

I'm sure he had good intentions but you can't publically admit to the lack of operational readiness in your crew and expect to keep your job.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: sputniksteve




posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



I disagree with you on one point. IMO, Captain Brett Crozier set the gold standard for ethical conduct. He displayed exceptional moral courage in putting the people under his command before his career. His superiors let the USN, Crozier and Brett Crozier's crew down. One of the most basic tenants of leadership is how you treat your subordinates when the going gets tough. Any civilian or military who fails this benchmark isn't worth their salt.

Lousy leaders who hold the senior military ranks pose particular risks. Their flaws spread a dangerous poison down the chain of command. If the only antidote is for good people to leave their former branch of the armed forces is weakened.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: xpert11

It depends, if he went up the chain of command trying to get help and they blew him off, a distinct possibility I tried for a month to find out the plan before it got to us and I got told dont catch it, but there is at least some evidence that he never really pushed it and went public almost immediately.

Jump the chain of command like this and give the navy a black eye publicly and be happy if he only loses his command, cause remember these are the guys that ordered seals to lie and tried to block an Air Force controller from getting a medal of honor after he got left behind on the battlefield because if he got it the navy would look bad.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: Fools

I'm sure he had good intentions but you can't publically admit to the lack of operational readiness in your crew and expect to keep your job.


If you read between the lines on the Navy statement, they seem to be acknowledging that he wasn't wrong per se, so much as they can't let things like this go without any consequence. I can see how this wasn't a simple thing.

People do heroic things occasionally at other jobs knowing full well they will get fired for breaking some policy. He did the right thing IMO.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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Abandoned Ship

Although I'm sympathetic to the good captain's plight, commend his obvious concern for the well-being of his crew and am quite aware of how bad the "optics" are -- on top of the public spectacle of exemplifying just how unprepared both the U.S. as a nation and the Navy as a fighting force actually are for dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic, let alone a deliberate biological attack -- I wholeheartedly agree with the decision to immediately relieve Captain Crozier of command, because matters like these MUST be handled through the chain of command and NOT through the press.

There are 290 ships on active duty right now. If every one of their commanders followed Captain Crozier's example, the entire Navy would immediately become unmanageable, the safety of every sailor would be in jeopardy and the security of every single person in the United States of America would be placed at grave and unnecessary risk.

Virus or no virus, a ship commander has absolutely no business whatsoever deliberately violating operations security (OPSEC). The fact that we're having this discussion at all is a direct consequence of Captain Crozier's misconduct.

That is unless Secretary Modly's claims are false, in which case Captain Crozier can appeal his dismissal, the facts can be reviewed by the Secretary of Defense and perhaps Secretary Modly could find a new job if he's lying. Why on earth he would be lying about something like this, however, defies reasonable explanation.

Again, the whole world is talking about it, and that's not how sensitive operations involving strategic military assets are supposed to work.

In any case, it's quite possible NCIS is investigating the matter, given the national security implications of the situation, and if criminal wrongdoing is found, things quickly go downhill from there.

The Theodore Roosevelt needs a commander who is focused on and capable of carrying out his duties to the ship and its crew, not a politician. If he wants to promote public debate on COVID-19 preparedness and response, he's free to do so after he leaves military service, and not a moment before.

As heartwarming as the lionization of Captain Crozier may feel, it is absolutely useless to the crew of the Theodore Roosevelt, who need competent, reliable leadership now more than ever, and instead have been abandoned by their captain in their time of need.

If he really cared about the crew, he would stay in command and fight for them rather than get himself relieved of duty by unsuccessfully attempting a public end-run around his chain of command in a quixotic power play for martyrdom.

I'm sure he's a great guy, earned the position in pursuit of a distinguished career of faithful service and is quite likely beloved of his crew, but if I was serving on that ship, I would want him the hell out of there RIGHT NOW. The last thing anyone needs is a captain who freaks out in an emergency.

Hopefully the crew of the Theodore Roosevelt will be better served by his successor.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: chr0naut

guns. strip clubs. Mopar Cams, carls jr, what the hell more you want ya moron? I'll also add taco tuesday


Ah, the high moral ground, eh?



And those things don't exist everywhere else?

LOL.


You guys have taco tuesday? Thats Americas taco day!



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Majic

Check this out - Im not sure this s normal maybe someone military can chime in:

100's gather for Carptains last walk



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:43 AM
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He's their hero!



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: ColoradoJens

It's more common in elite boarding schools.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ColoradoJens



He's their hero!



I thought that was pretty poignant. Thanks for getting the video up!



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: ChayOphan
These first victims were airlifted from the ship immediately and The Roosevelt Group sailed on arriving at Guam 3 days later on Friday, March 27.
A few seconds on Google Earth and some quick and dirty math thus reveals that the Strike Group apparently drifted from Vietnam to Guam at a lazy 5-6 knots.


You need to retake Math. From DaNang to Guam is 2126 nautical miles. If we take your 3 days, that equals 72 hours. Divide 2126 by 72 and you get 29.53 knots. That's hardly drifting.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 11:44 AM
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It's more common in elite boarding schools.


Really? You know that wasn't a documentary? It was a fictional movie. It didn't really happen. What we saw on the USS Roosevelt, and all those sailors praising and cheering their captain, that really did happen.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: xpert11

Excellent point, actually I am in agreement with you, a very good captain and a lousy chain of command over him.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:13 PM
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The Eisenhower is out of Hampton Roads.
Many of the sailors are our local boys and girls.
Two people I know have kids stationed onboard.

I sure hope they are ok. That's close quarters.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Time to shut everybody up. He's taking too much heat as it is.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:20 PM
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No you're dead on.
The whole crew came out to cheer him and see him off the ship.
That is when you know you have a good commander. The crew will let you know.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Uh huh. I'm certain he will.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
I wonder if he went public after his concerns had fallen on deaf ears in the chain of command. Sounds like that may be the case.

He may have known his actions would have consequences.


He knew, and his crew knew as well.

A stand up guy IMO. He put the welfare of his crew and his ship very much ahead of his career and his own welfare. That's the kind of leader I would follow to hell and back.



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 12:28 PM
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Oh, isn't this just what China did? Cover up.

No, this government has messed this up something fierce.

America on this is truly number 1.

The dumbest, most backward, and lethal response to this nightmare for the American people IN THE WORLD.




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