OMG, So Many Americans Have Died Since WA's First COVID Death!!!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I didn’t mean to insult you. I just meant it’s a bold thread as a mod. Chill.

a reply to: Jay-morris

I am not the one advocating for human slavery and government controlling people. You are. So freedom in your book is basically nuts. That is what you are saying. Just like a hitler a socialist, you are doing the exact same things. Which makes you no different than him.

TLDR, you are calling me nuts for advocating for my freedom. Thats what you are doing.

Hitler and his socialists were psychopaths. Just saying

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: Jay-morris

I am not the one advocating for human slavery and government controlling people. You are. So freedom in your book is basically nuts. That is what you are saying. Just like a hitler a socialist, you are doing the exact same things. Which makes you no different than him.

TLDR, you are calling me nuts for advocating for my freedom. Thats what you are doing.

Hitler and his socialists were psychopaths. Just saying

And yet, you cannot answer one simple question I put to you. If you really believe all this crap, then you should have an answer!

You think the virus is fake. So, are all the doctors, nurses And hospital workers, not just in America, but all over the world, part of this conspiracy? All the thousands of hospital staff are all part of this?

Are you going to answer the question? If not, then all the crap you have been saying means absolutly nothing.

a reply to: Jay-morris

You dont care about the answer. You only care about demonizing people. Your posts proves it. I refuse to play that mental game with you. (again)

a reply to: MrFrawg
Good catch. I had 7.7K using 2017 stats but forgot to post.

Also, using the first few months, before the death toll started rising was a bit disingenuous. In the last 6 days the death toll in the US has been at about 1K per day. That is a 12.5% increase to 8K. That is more than just a blip on the scale.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: Jay-morris

You dont care about the answer. You only care about demonizing people. Your posts proves it. I refuse to play that mental game with you. (again)

Basically you cannot answer it! I have asked you about four times. You do not know the answer, but you have to be wrong, so you ignore it, and then come out with a ridiculous excuse on why you have not answered it! lolol

At least other people can see this simple question you have completly ignored!

It's gross to accuse someone of antisemitism because they oppose you in an online argument. The Hitler/brownshirt thing is just stupid.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
It's gross to accuse someone of antisemitism because they oppose you in an online argument. The Hitler/brownshirt thing is just stupid.

I know, it's ridiculous, but that's the type of person we are dealing with here. He lost the argument, then tried to say I have all Jews

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Correct...exactly what I said. Anyone who dies and whose death is related to Covid-19 was, in fact, a victim of thousands of physicians all turned murderer simultaneously.

Not that the already low death toll would see itself a little bit lower of not for the dangerous treatments handed out to appease families threatening doctors should they do nothing and I base that on the fact doctors have, mostly if not all anonymously, said they have had a patient(s) die this go round and they suspect it was the treatment they reluctantly gave to avoid lawsuit and get panicking idiots off their backs. That would be insane.

No..... what I SAID was that I know for a fact Coronavirus deaths are nurses donning hockey masks and morning stars and physicians casting black magic on them causing their deaths by murder.

What a stupid and horrible thing to say! Lime a lot of people on here, you seem very cold! But you have taken that to another level. From you fanatics, I have heard it's a mild virus, the virus does not exist, our freedoms are bring taken away, and now the doctors and nurses are killing people!

Seriously! You not make this up! Fanatics are fanatics, no matter where you are from! But one thing is for certain! Fanatics never admit they are fanatics!

Really you need professional help. Your imagining what people are saying here is too serious an issue than I can even interact with. But just know, and I'm sure u have heard it before, nothing you alledge was said so I dunno...I wont even go there this is honest to God mental illness.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Really you need professional help. Your imagining what people are saying here is too serious an issue than I can even interact with. But just know, and I'm sure u have heard it before, nothing you alledge was said so I dunno...I wont even go there this is honest to God mental illness.

Really? Obviously then, you have not read all the posts on this thread! Are you saying that no one on this thread has said the virus is fake?

The tests that those in power are using for the c virus , seems to be testing genetic materials that ALREADY exists in the body. If this is the case, everyone will test positive for Covid 19.

Youtube took down this full interview, but this is the most important and interesting part:



Full interview of this censored video here:

Where ever there is censorship, that is where you want to look, because it usually means, there is something those in power do not want you to see.

a reply to: SoulSurfer
People do test negative so that can't be true.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

The bottomline is, no man has a right to rule another man.

I wasn't aware you're an anarchist, so what? My freedom ends where it harms yours, that's the other part most anarchists agree upon. You didn't get the memo?

“I am truly free only when all human beings, men and women, are equally free. The freedom of other men, far from negating or limiting my freedom, is, on the contrary, its necessary premise and confirmation.”

M. Bakunin

Are you in favor of slavery or freedom? Thats something you should seriously ask yourself.

It's about the efficiency of a privatized healthcare system, which effectively turned into scarcity, and not about your misconception of freedom. Pick up a book?

That's 2% of the deaths related to Covid-19 during quarantining/lock-downs. That number would be significantly higher if this had gone completely unchecked.

That's a rather poor comparison given all of the measures that are being taken to slow the spread of the virus...

12k deaths soo far in the US from this specific illness, and that is with people starting to isolate themselves..its been going on about a 6 weeks over here

So if we did nothing

As it goes into more and more crowded areas, those numbers shoot up exponentially. This is a very young virus that is just now penetrating. about 3% of the population will die if it fully penetrates
thats 10.5 million people dying from this..potentially in a year if we just went about like nothing was different

last year (worst year in 40 years), 80k died from the flu...and those are people who decided to forego the shot to give a much milder illness.

10 million people dead is what you say is acceptable.

there is a special place for such thoughts and such people who push them...

I may not be Trump's biggest fan, and I think he slacked off initially, but what is happening now is perfectly fine by me...honestly, we need a much harder clamp down. Go full totalitarian and force people in their home with food being dropped off at their front door for 14 days and this would be over with...but we won't, so we will take months and months instead.

Glad most of you aren't in charge atm...well, if you were, it wouldn't be for long before dragged through the streets I reckon.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Glad most of you aren't in charge atm...well, if you were, it wouldn't be for long before dragged through the streets I reckon.

Well, if it happened now, folks would be violating Stay at Home orders. You're getting the fascism you need to keep fear from wracking your mind, I reckon...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Glad most of you aren't in charge atm...well, if you were, it wouldn't be for long before dragged through the streets I reckon.

Well, if it happened now, folks would be violating Stay at Home orders.

You're getting the fascism you need to keep fear from wracking your mind, I reckon...

Not going to comment on you finding 10 million deaths acceptable so you can go down to the local watering hole today vs a month from now?

Fair enough.

Consider this though...no orders or anything...we accept coronavirus, whateever...people die and thats just life
but people with the virus are really bad off...going to the hospitals...overwhelming the hospitals, and the nurses and such are also sick and stay home.
and then you yourself have a heart attack...but alas, the hospitals are far beyond capacity from the coronavirus...hey, freedom and such, amirite.
So your story won't be new...10m from the virus, and how many affected indirectly by the virus from simply not enough services.

I guess you still won't see a problem though

Civilization...innit a bitch

a reply to: SaturnFX

Did I say any deaths were "acceptable?" Since you're using that term, it seems it is fair for me to say that it is acceptable to you to throw the Constitution aside like a scrap of waste paper in the name of a few thousand lives. How many millions died to guarantee Americans won't die from diseases? (I'll give you a small hint, the answer is ZERO because nobody has ever made or ever could make that guarantee. Humans die from diseases, period.) How many millions died to guarantee Americans Rights which are now being subverted, suspended, and crapped upon? Several million is the correct answer, and that's only the ones recorded officially, in truth millions more have died building a foundation for freedom, supporting freedom, and fighting domestically for freedom and your position disrespects every single one of them.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6How many millions died to guarantee Americans Rights which are now being subverted, suspended, and crapped upon? Several million is the correct answer,

The American Revolution seen a death toll of about 40k total (both sides)

Since then, we have acted mostly on behalf of corporations.

Now then, since martial law hasn't been declared (I don't like the idea, but I would rather be on a 14 day house arrest than for governments to shut down commerce for months on end to not affect my "freedom of movement"), what is it you are complaining about? businesses aren't people, therefore they aren't protected by the constitution, and are in fact a domestic threat...so its fully within the feds right to do what they want...and yet they aren't doing anything, just recommending governors to do what they can while trying to help out keeping the economy going (which is their job).

Seems your biggest gripe is with the people owning businesses who don't want to stay open to get grandma dead.

My boss shut down our place of business a week before it was "recommended" and we have been working at home since, meanwhile sales have dropped. Its a short term pain in the arse, but I know mom and dad will be fine so long as we are all being careful, and he just had his baby son born last week without endless concern that he got something from the office (his wife has immunity issues and was very much as risk and pregnant). are any of the employees mad at the government for this? no...seems you are though. Luckily we live in a land where consensus matters more than some guy yelling in the night about how people need to stay open to cater to his random wants.

40k is the number btw just to make sure you got that...thats how many died for direct freedom...which is less than half the number the virus has claimed worldwide as of today.

Enjoy your night. Remember to practice social distancing and good hygiene

a reply to: SaturnFX

I'm complaining that people are actually out there calling private business a "domestic threat." For what it's worth, you're also wrong about something, brace yourself because I'm about to remind you of something that likely causes you a pang of anguish...
Citizens United SCOTUS decision ruled that yes, in fact, businesses ARE people in the eyes of the Constitution. So strike one for you there. You're touting "consensus" but the Founding Father's openly stated that the primary purpose of the Constitution's defense of Rights was to protect this country from the Tyranny of the Majority, which you're presently cheering on... That's strike 2. You then pulled a fraction of who I was talking about, as every American who has served and died in the full 244 years since the Revolutionary War was sent to battle in the name of the Constitution... every single one of them, so those numbers count as well so we're back into the millions and in case I've somehow been obtuse to this fact over my 12 years tomorrow on this website, I don't give a tinker's fart about "worldwide" numbers when we're talking about the United States of America. Sorry those foreigners have died, but doesn't equate to a hill of beans in this discussion... Strike 3, you're out.

Continue to squeal about me like a pig stuck under a gate if you wish, but the unavoidable FACT here is that you've painted yourself into a corner while I'm standing with the expanse of the past, present, and future all laid out before me. I'm on the side of freedom and inalienable Rights NO MATTER the risk and you've demonstrated that in your mind freedom is negotiable and you're willing to trade it for a price. Not a good position to be in if you ever intend to participate in any conversation that involves you planning to use the Constitution, your Rights, your freedom, or your liberty as part of the argument down the road. As an example, next time you think you'll grouse about someone being disenfranchised by gerrymandering or voter ID, I get to call BS on your argument and can do so easily just by reminding you and all around that you were more than happy to hand over all of it because you were risk adverse, proving those values weren't valued by you anyway so your argument would be one of convenience, at best. Enjoy those future exchanges with me, because I guarantee I will and, if it makes you feel better, you'll have lots of company.