OMG, So Many Americans Have Died Since WA's First COVID Death!!!

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

How many lives are worth freedom?

Brave enough to answer?

originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Thats too personal of a criticism to respond and not get banned for it.

God help us, calling out an American for not standing up for enumerated Rights is viewed as a :personal criticism." Like I've already said, this is not the substance America was founded on and expanded through displaying itself.

a reply to: DBCowboy

2,977 remember?

The answer hasn't changed.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you drunk? Is your freedom cancelled? I thought we were under a national emergency and when its over we do like we have done before....go on with life.

Do you have a strong hunch? Is that it? Oh ok. Thats justification for calling people cowards and getting on a high horse of patriotism.

You didnt sacrifice for the freedom you were born to. Look at our cemeteries and start counting graves of everyone that built the world you inherited.

Thats how many.

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: DBCowboy

2,977 remember?

The answer hasn't changed.

So that's your answer.

Fine.

You and others think there's a limit to anyone's freedoms.

I called you a Marxist for a reason.

I was correct.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well, moderator, since he is talking about me personally and not the subject, I didnt want to tell him how much of a Fuff he is.

Because he is and so are you.

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

If you don't have the stones to answer then that's on you.

*shrugs*

a reply to: DBCowboy

I did. As many as died building the world you inherited.

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

You cannot argue the points logically, so now it's just insults. Welcome to the loss column.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Marxism

Marxism is the name for a set of political and economic ideas. The core ideas are that the world is divided into classes, the workers and the richer capitalists who exploit the workers, there is a class conflict that should ultimately result in socialism (workers own means of production), and then communism (stateless, classless society).

So I'm curious how any of that relates to this subject.

You keep asking how many lives are worth freedom.

So when you get an answer, based on the back of your whole damn country changing almost overnight after 9/11, you suggest that the person giving you the answer is linking it to socialism and the class war between capitalists and the workers?

Its obvious you don't have a clue what Marxism is.

a reply to: neformore

I've got a pretty good idea, and your defense of it simply proves it.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I was called a coward. Dear moderator. Should I alert and have justice served? Would that not just get me banned from the cool forum club?

Should I just take it on the chin while my house is burning?

Instead of supporting people living this like a real community you form clicks and start a process of divisiveness and extreme conspiracy speculation...which you defend by calling us cowards and crybabies, and liars.

I want everyone to see the real ATS. This is ATS during this crisis. This is the "community " that is decades old and strong. Tearing itself apart and being dicks to each other. And when it goes bad, erase the post and ban the person. Whatever. Enough see it before you can.

Ever see the movie contagion?

Some people here are the reckless and self absorbed conspiracy theorist that gets people hurt and makes a bad situation worse. The real danger that movie touched on. Charlatans of opinion and speculation.

I dont WANT your respect. I have no use for such a fickle thing.

If some of those people who died of covid had the flu instead of covid, they could probably have died too. If some of those people had to put up with some of the crap going around they would have said screw it and died too. The fear mongering doesn't help, fear of being sick can trigger cortisol which can trigger inflammation and a cytokine storm and kill you.

Setting the parameters and taking all things in perspective is what science is all about. But the way this is going it is not real scientific studies. I am sure some of those people who died from Covid could have died from other causes in that time.

The worry about not having enough toilet paper probably triggered more people to go out and fall or get sick when out too, I saw lot more old people out a couple of weeks ago than I have seen in the stores most times, usually they shop after Church, but no church, so they were going out in the week.

We had a lot of other deaths during that time, I actually think there was more than usual. stress from this probably triggered many of those, many might have got depressed and upset and died too. You can get heart attacks from stress.

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

This is a website that was formed on not taking the official narrative and swallowing it whole, especially when there was even a *hint* of an attack on Rights, freedom, or the economy that said official narrative was being used to justify. Are you saying we should no longer be that website? Are you saying a Conspiracy Forum should blind themselves to what is likely the greatest conspiracy ever pulled on all of humanity all in the name of "community?" I'd agree with you in the name of "community", but then we'd both be wrong.

Ever see the movie contagion?

This is real life, non fiction. You ever read the federalist Papers, the Constitution, or Novo Ordus Seclorum?

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

Oh my god.

I played a violin to your post.

It brought me to tears.

Do you suggest a group hug?

Oh wait, if that's considered, you'd turn people in for being too close to each other.

How about gathering your testes from somewhere in your skinny jeans, placing them back into your scrotum and manning up.

Is this so terrible that we have to spend time online soiling our tighty-whiteys while applauding the destruction of the remaining freedoms we do have?

Christ!

Americans have turned into such wusses. I fear the day that any emeny invades, because the collective sissy movement in America could never surrender fast enough.

Meh I have had it. So the great pandemic has arrived. We are all shut ins as we have been told to do like lambs. Our forced depression has begun. Now this so called raging war goes on. I am looking at the data, so far I am analyzing nyc, a city that was not prepared for a medical crisis. Now let me be clear i am not someone that wishes ill will on people, I dont want to be responsible for getting someone sick and hurting them, i just dont. Yet I am begining to think we are being told to sit in our homes sacrifice our freedoms, and create a artificial depression due to the fact of our governments unpreparedness. That is not our fault. Allot of us are literally sacrificing due to this fact...

Now as far as what I think we will persevere, i will always be there for my neighbor or someone in need, and will be the first to put a knife to their neck if they thought they were smarter than me or those around me who have my same beliefs. This is becoming a dangerous time, from what I can decipher the governments have no quick answer, and they are going to ask, and then try to demand from us what their greed and ignorance and stupidity has led us to this position we are in... Surprisingly, we are for the moment complying.

I think in the end these people are going to fail us, and in a sense even thou I am not quite as radical as BURD, I can see it, if I saw things happening faster than they were I would be telling burd to relax, but I think he has a point. In the interim, I want focus, on China, for unleashing this damn thing on us in the first, place, the times before the crap shoot of a pandemic, are gone, the greatness of people like me and many many others will get us thru this and also will be part of how we will change the lack of focus on those that lead us.

We will get throu this, we will persevere and we will become even stronger, yet this crisis, this madness in the world is NOT our fault, and I hope if anything we all in the end or sooner or later understand that, and focus on our current status quo of a dysfunctional government leadership we have in place, it is time to reform our government, and elect those that qualify to lead us and not just the rich or entitled bastards!!!!!!

STAY SAFE AND STRONG !!!! WE WILL PESEVERE

Over and out

a reply to: Bicent

In fairness and in the name of self-confession, my rough edges likely do few favors to drawing average people onto my side. I recognize that, but when people like yourself do end up gravitating towards agreeing with me it's fairly obvious that the smoke I'm pointing at is accompanied by a pretty significant fire.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

This website is official story 9/11 propaganda pushers. Iraq war supporting, Patriot act defending, bush shaft stroking, lovers of rhetoric.

For all your nonsense talking about federalists and anti federalists, like we can have or should have a nuanced conversation about an age old and endless power struggle of centralization vs decentralization.

Thats so dumb, I cant even begin to explain why. There is a sense of urgency appropriate for each emergency. Makings sure you and everyone is ok with the decisions of leadership at every turn is just not part of the deal.

Vote differently next time. Unless this is some sort of psychotic call to arms over our ALREADY LOST RIGHTS. No elections or democracy, or courts and oversight...oh dear lord guys. You guys!

Dear God its too late. How many cops and soldiers do we have to kill to make this right? My god. Tell me.

originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
Dear god its too late.

For you, because you've already let them openly take it from you without a fight. There's a word that defines that...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Its too late for me, but you have a means to throw off the fetters of oppression?

Are you going to kill anyone over it? Because I dont know how else your situation is different than mine or anyone else's.

What rating of protection do your beliefs provide? Up to what caliber?

Are you on meds. Serious question.