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posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 04:24 AM
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It what physical ways could Russia actually influence or rig an electron?

Could they hack the system that counts votes?
Seems highly unlikely?

Could they influence people though fake news?

3 years ago it was russia had fake Facebook articles.

What percentage of the country could be swayed by a facebook ad or even get their news from Facebook?

President are elected through elected officials and how could Russia Influence them? Bribes?

Every time I hear about russia meddling in the news, they never give an example HOW.

I think if they did talk about the physical ways russia could influence an election, it would sound even more ridiculous.

That is why they keep it a broad topic.

m.youtube.com...

This video of Obama speaking about the security of the election speaks volumes.

He actually says its unprecedented to even bring up election interference before even votes are in.

How could the Democrats go from its impossible for Russians to influence, to it was Russias fault?

It's almost laughable if so many didn't run with it and still do.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 04:36 AM
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Every time I hear about russia meddling in the news, they never give an example HOW.

Here's how they tried last time.
www.intelligence.senate.gov...

So probably by learning what did and din't work last time.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Bloodworth




Every time I hear about russia meddling in the news, they never give an example HOW.

Here's how they tried last time.
www.intelligence.senate.gov...

So probably by learning what did and din't work last time.


That report focuses on cyber actors.....so what percentage of the country is influenced by russian bots? Fake posts....? Fake news...sounds ridiculous .

That's what they came up with...cyber actors or Russian bots...

And where are these articles that are so damaging against the Democrats that would make someone vote trump.

Really sounds highly unlikely and would do very little to effect and election.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 04:57 AM
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The USA would be better off examining their own actors who attempt to influence elections with the vehicle of money. Far too little transparency and accountability there. The whole party system (both parties) stinks of incredible corruption.

Cheers



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 05:19 AM
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If one is influenced by Facebook, one probably ought not to be allowed to vote.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 05:22 AM
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Which election? There are 85 at least..


...www.globalresearch.ca...


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posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 05:37 AM
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The easiest thing Russia has done is to sit back and watch the MSM spread discord in Russia's name.

Russia didn't have to do anything but make sure Schiff received a message that would be leaked.

They now have more airtime than most democratic campaigns




posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Bloodworth

The USA would be better off examining their own actors who attempt to influence elections with the vehicle of money. Far too little transparency and accountability there. The whole party system (both parties) stinks of incredible corruption.

Cheers


well said



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 05:49 AM
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originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Bloodworth

The USA would be better off examining their own actors who attempt to influence elections with the vehicle of money. Far too little transparency and accountability there. The whole party system (both parties) stinks of incredible corruption.

Cheers

The money spent on campaign from all sides nauseates me. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents (where are Jill Stein and the weed smoker). There's estimated to be 320 million people in the USA yet they've spent well more than $1 a person.
There's something wrong with that.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:09 AM
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That report focuses on cyber actors.....so what percentage of the country is influenced by russian bots? Fake posts....? Fake news...sounds ridiculous

Many things sound ridiculous but are in fact reality , it's clear to anyone with unclouded vision why Russia would want Trump for 4 more years so given it's accepted that they tried in 2016 why wouldn't they try again.



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posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Bloodworth




That report focuses on cyber actors.....so what percentage of the country is influenced by russian bots? Fake posts....? Fake news...sounds ridiculous

Many things sound ridiculous but are in fact reality , it's clear to anyone with unclouded vision why Russia would want Trump for 4 more years so given it's accepted that they tried in 2016 why wouldn't they try again.


Try what? To put up ads? To post as fake Trump supporters? I don't get it. How many votes does that sway, really?



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:22 AM
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I hear a lot about "cannot happen!" or "how should facebook influence people?!".

Thats exactly what the Russians want you to think, seriously. Putin wants his orange muppet for four more years and the american people divided as deeply as possible.

You want to make Putin happy? Divide a superpower and make it isolationistic. Thats how Putin has put you in place.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:29 AM
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Bots and trolls.

Cant have better ones than the d party is pushing.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
I hear a lot about "cannot happen!" or "how should facebook influence people?!".

Thats exactly what the Russians want you to think, seriously. Putin wants his orange muppet for four more years and the american people divided as deeply as possible.

You want to make Putin happy? Divide a superpower and make it isolationistic. Thats how Putin has put you in place.


Must have loved Barry then!



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:39 AM
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They can't.

The scope of the problem is just too large. Facebook and Twitter use algorithms to drive engagement for profit and by default -- engagement represents deep reservoirs or troths to cater to every (emerging) interest. So if you start clicking on stories about the DNC stealing the primary from Sanders (hey, it's evergreen!) then eventually you will be served Breitbart.

Worse yet, the strategy of Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Amazon are the same: create a simulacrum of each "user" based on their stated likes and interests and then use their algorithm to test that sim against tens of thousands of products, pages and "stories" that either drive your engagement or sell you something. In the past, companies only had your buy data to go on. Now they can test a virtual avatar of you against every product, service or story they have in seconds and "serve" you more of what "you want" to engage you and make them rich.

But that's' just the beginning. News organizations buy story ads and jockey for placement on social media that live or die by likes and shares. Did the well-balanced story about real corruption underperform? Ok, let's serve up a less balanced, more sensationalist story and see if you... oh yeah, you do LIKE that, don't you?

Bad-faith actors here and abroad start writing copy and creating products designed to appeal to the sweet spot of total engagement and the cycle continues.

Meanwhile, almost every US company is in bed with the Chinese communist party to the tune of hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, just for a "shot" at the emerging Chinese market. Disney, Citygroup, EA, the NBA and so on.

Do you see now how sleight-of-hand ludicrous and self-serving the "Russia" story is? Russia (n trolls) are just one tiny slice of malevolence vying for your attention via the internet. CNN and the NY Times (and every other media organization) are in a full-court press to influence voters with dubious nonsense because it sells.

Even ATS got in on it with their socials link initiative.

In a way, I wish we could go back to the way the CIA used to influence elections: with targetted assassinations and drug/gun sales. It was cleaner somehow.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:46 AM
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Brad pascale and cambridge analytica might be a good place to start looking.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

They can't.

The scope of the problem is just too large. Facebook and Twitter use algorithms to drive engagement for profit and by default -- engagement represents deep reservoirs or troths to cater to every (emerging) interest. So if you start clicking on stories about the DNC stealing the primary from Sanders (hey, it's evergreen!) then eventually you will be served Breitbart.

Worse yet, the strategy of Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Amazon are the same: create a simulacrum of each "user" based on their stated likes and interests and then use their algorithm to test that sim against tens of thousands of products, pages and "stories" that either drive your engagement or sell you something. In the past, companies only had your buy data to go on. Now they can test a virtual avatar of you against every product, service or story they have in seconds and "serve" you more of what "you want" to engage you and make them rich.

But that's' just the beginning. News organizations buy story ads and jockey for placement on social media that live or die by likes and shares. Did the well-balanced story about real corruption underperform? Ok, let's serve up a less balanced, more sensationalist story and see if you... oh yeah, you do LIKE that, don't you?

Bad-faith actors here and abroad start writing copy and creating products designed to appeal to the sweet spot of total engagement and the cycle continues.

Meanwhile, almost every US company is in bed with the Chinese communist party to the tune of hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, just for a "shot" at the emerging Chinese market. Disney, Citygroup, EA, the NBA and so on.

Do you see now how sleight-of-hand ludicrous and self-serving the "Russia" story is? Russia (n trolls) are just one tiny slice of malevolence vying for your attention via the internet. CNN and the NY Times (and every other media organization) are in a full-court press to influence voters with dubious nonsense because it sells.

Even ATS got in on it with their socials link initiative.

In a way, I wish we could go back to the way the CIA used to influence elections: with targetted assassinations and drug/gun sales. It was cleaner somehow.


I didnt even mention any ZuckerBrother or the purging of information of an on going investigation.



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
Brad pascale and cambridge analytica might be a good place to start looking.


YOU MUST HAVE READ MY MIND?!



posted on Feb, 22 2020 @ 07:05 AM
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According to an analysis by Buzzfeed, the "20 top-performing false election stories from hoax sites and hyperpartisan blogs generated 8,711,000 shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook." In September 2017, Facebook told congressional investigators it had discovered that hundreds of fake accounts linked to a Russian troll farm had bought $100,000 in advertisements targeting the 2016 U.S. election audience. The ads, which ran between June 2015 and May 2017, primarily focused on divisive social issues; roughly 25% were geographically targeted. Facebook has also turned over information about the Russian-related ad buys to Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Approximately 3,000 adverts were involved, and these were viewed by between four and five million Facebook users prior to the election. On November 1, 2017, the House Intelligence Committee released a sample of Facebook ads and pages that had been financially linked to the Internet Research Agency.

WIKI



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