Terrorist act in Germany

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Yes sure. And let's not forget he was a banker...

Isn't the point of us discussing this trying to comprehend why again and again people hate other people so much they kill them? I mean it's not right to put individuals in groups but honestly nobody is above that.
If you just navigate through this world by a view of how it should be you'll probably hit a wall fast.

originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: KindraLaBelle

Everything he says there the average Qanon poster would agree with and there are countless Youtube videos along the same lines, so if he is paranoid he's not the only one, there are a great many causes for anxiety with regards to modern society and most the result of deliberate intent of secret societies and religious groups, not everyone is going to remain calm, the problem is much deeper than the reaction of this individual.

One of the big problems with the internet is that delusional people can find others just like them,and they all reinforce each others madness,validating each other and making them all feel as though they are "normal."
Its sort of like an extreme version of the "echo chamber" or "group think" thing that happens to many on the internet.

This event was made-to-order for those who want to repress the alt-right populists in Germany.

Politics leads to mental illness.
That’s why I don’t vote - I prefer being sane, rather than trying to follow which ever narrative is the order of the day.

If I ever had to vote for someone it’d probably be Julian Assange, only guy who ever backed up claims with proof.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this guy had a bunker of his own, complete with cork board and red string ‘connecting the dots’.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Yes sure. And let's not forget he was a banker...

Isn't the point of us discussing this trying to comprehend why again and again people hate other people so much they kill them? I mean it's not right to put individuals in groups but honestly nobody is above that.
If you just navigate through this world by a view of how it should be you'll probably hit a wall fast.

Sure, we can, and should, discuss why people hate other people but we don't need to group them. Far left, far right, middle, jihadi,who cares? Some people are just nuts and they exist in all the tribes.

a reply to: Metallicus

People this crazy arent getting it from tv or MSM they are getting it from messed up social groups and message boards like 4chan where people who arent white are attacked litterally every second comment. Some places of the internet brainwash people.

And it also seeps into social media and extremely biased alternative news outlets. Sometimes I feel like the internet was a mistake.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

But it's what we do, you can like it or not, but whenever we talk to somebody about another person, or even introduce ourselves to somebody we do that by pointing out all the groups we're a part of.

"Hello my name is Nadine, I'm a little over thirty years old and live in Munich, Germany. I'm a writer, like playing games and listen to punk...."
Women, middle aged, German, profession, gamer, punk,... all groups. How do you suggest we avoid that?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

But it's what we do, you can like it or not, but whenever we talk to somebody about another person, or even introduce ourselves to somebody we do that by pointing out all the groups we're a part of.

"Hello my name is Nadine, I'm a little over thirty years old and live in Munich, Germany. I'm a writer, like playing games and listen to punk...."
Women, middle aged, German, profession, gamer, punk,... all groups. How do you suggest we avoid that?

I see your point and I don't dissagree. But, my reference is to the OP where the term "right-wing extremist" is used when describing the crime. That's done in a derogatory way to make it sound like all right-wing people (the tribe) do these kinds of things.

I'm a conservative but I appreciate and respect diversity. My brother in law is a flaming liberal but he's not going to wack people on the head with a bicycle lock. I have a peer at work who is a Muslim but least likely to kill a crowd of people.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

But it's what we do, you can like it or not, but whenever we talk to somebody about another person, or even introduce ourselves to somebody we do that by pointing out all the groups we're a part of.

"Hello my name is Nadine, I'm a little over thirty years old and live in Munich, Germany. I'm a writer, like playing games and listen to punk...."
Women, middle aged, German, profession, gamer, punk,... all groups. How do you suggest we avoid that?

I see your point and I don't dissagree. But, my reference is to the OP where the term "right-wing extremist" is used when describing the crime. That's done in a derogatory way to make it sound like all right-wing people (the tribe) do these kinds of things.

I'm a conservative but I appreciate and respect diversity. My brother in law is a flaming liberal but he's not going to wack people on the head with a bicycle lock. I have a peer at work who is a Muslim but least likely to kill a crowd of people.

In Germany alone we had 200 murders done by right-wing extremists in the last 20 years. A lot more than of any other group of people.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I believe we can all agree that the key word is "extremist", no? And it's just very close to police disrupting plans of another extremist group considered far-right. So the assumption is of course this nut job was pushed into action by their arrest ie sympathising with the right too.

Conservative in this day and age is centre-right, nobody with a brain would say far-right extremists are the same as conservatives.
Just like an ordinary Muslim is not an extremist.

Anyhoo it might be all missing the point completely because there has to be something gone wrong socially if you can look an unarmed not threatening human, even a pregnant woman in the eye and shoot.
The fact that he picked Kurds "südländische" foreigners as target seems to have been result of a trauma when the bank he worked at was robbed.
It's probably not political at all anyways.

a reply to: oloufo
I would ask what do you say about muslems killing only Christians?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Irishhaf

Racism and nationalism are right wing, you'll have to deal with that.
Just like everybody on the left has to deal with antifa and communism being left.

Raceism is absolutely not solely a right wing phenomena. In fact, it is liberal thinkers that tend to be more racist than most other groups, as specially against white people (whom largely are white themselves, go figure). They are the ones encouraging and promoting segregation after all.

Pride in ones national identity is also not a bad thing, although liberal minded people seem to think it is the most evil thing in the world because it "just isn't the communist way"..lol

Caught these comments on another venue:


Let me guess.

1. This is another 'far-right extremist' with a very small online footprint and almost no one else in the online 'far-right community' seems to know him?

2. Comes with a manifesto that fails to call out the real string-pullers and exact nature of our decline? Instead rambles on about racial superiority and inferiority and other stereotypical rhetoric? Maybe calls for violent rebellion or acts of violence by others?

3. Associates his views with populists like Trump etc, thereby compromising those figures with his own actions?

Any of these ring true so far?

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.

in my eyes neo-nazis, extremists, radicals etc. are all mentally ill in a way. that just doesn't excuse anything. we have to try to understand what makes these people commit such a crime...

I think anyone with extreme right or left wing views has some form of mental deficiency...

a reply to: starviego

Any of these ring true so far? 

You're telling the story so why don't you tell us....

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Irishhaf

Racism and nationalism are right wing, you'll have to deal with that.
Just like everybody on the left has to deal with antifa and communism being left.

Nope they are Leftist.

Leftist control people rightist leave them alone!



Right wing means no laws, no rules. Deal with that.

We are mostly all Moderates.