Technology and ethic: dead loved one in 3d

a reply to: BrianFlanders

It's not us mate per-say but our "Id" that's the real danger regarding our minds.

Thought Black Mirrors “Be Right Back” was pretty interesting and also completely heartbreaking...

I can understand how emotions can be hard and loss is very dificult. But this is surrendering yourself to emotions and unhealthy.
It runs off the same basic emotions that facilitate religion. The fact that humans cant come to terms with us being so damn insignificant... even just a tombstone is a sign of weakness or a longing that cant be fulfilled, because its about clinging to someone who isnt there anymore and never will be.

If instead they used this tech for closure in cases where you werent able to come to terms with the inevitable it would be a different story.... saying goodbye.... then the child runs into the sunset.

But an on demand virtual flipbook....? Thats just scary... I wouldnt want to be with a person who was like that.

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

I don't see this as any different than watching a video or looking at a photo.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

I don't see this as any different than watching a video or looking at a photo.

To begin with maybe.... but I would more likely compare it to watch a photo intensely.

Besides... taking out the photo album every day or putting in the video tape, or leaving the childs old room untouched are more less all about missing closure and is unhealthy... its that never to be fulfilled hope that injustic will be rectified.
Manage it... deal with it... fix it... or become a slave off it. Let grief be a passing moment in your life, but dont revisit it and dont let it define you.

a reply to: flice

all about missing closure and is unhealthy

Your opinion.

My first thought was, this is a bad thing. People need to grieve and get on with their life. This is just a computer-generated 3D image, not real, only a trick of light to make us believe we're seeing reality.

But then I thought... is it really so bad?

We've all experienced loss... my latest was a short couple of years ago. It hurt, terribly. It was supposed to. It had to. If it hadn't hurt so badly, it would have meant I didn't care. I can still see her at times, when something strikes those memories and she is sitting in her chair smiling up at me.

I can still sometimes walk out back and see Dad playing on the home-made tractor he built from scrap iron (which I still have). I can hear his voice on the wind. It's been 40 years, but those memories remain.

Is this so different?

Dad's leather hat he used to wear still hangs on my wall, from a hook on the wall mirror I made Mom one year. A clock I bought Dad after he became ill, one of the first talking clocks made, just announced that "it is now ten AM" while I was typing. I have photo albums on top of photo albums with photos of long-deceased friends and relatives. All those things are tricks to trigger the pleasant memories and ensure that these people are not really gone because I remember them.

The loss of a child is horrible beyond imagination. I literally cannot imagine how I might react if something happened to one of my kids. So if this poor woman gets some relief from seeing her daughter again, where's the harm? Sure, it could be used to avoid grief and suspend one's future... but so can a photo. And it's just not my place, nor is it anyone's place, to dictate how one might grieve such a loss. May God bless and comfort this poor woman (and you as well, Schuyler).

Blessings upon those who found a way to ease someone's sufferings. The statement I noticed is accurate: technology need not be cold and impersonal.

TheRedneck

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

You are digging too hard. This is just akin to asking a painter to make a portrait of your deceased relative based on memory or other information in 2020.

Just you wait when this goes mainstream and someone hacks the 3D model database, you will be hearing lots of this:

Help my ( dead family member)s likeness has been stolen and posted on (any number of sad panda porn websites).
Help someone stole the model of my dead son and he is now the new 3D mandingo! (probably not this one).

This is where ethics would come into play.

a reply to: Heruactic

You're right. It will also be the next "pay me or else I put it on web" extorsion. Sex cam variation...

a reply to: TheRedneck

Since I see there is a business opportunity we will surely find out sooner than later. As long it's helping I'm in. We may live the very beginning of large scale everything vr

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

Our own reality might turn out to be of a holographic nature should the principle hold any weight.

And we may be able to establish just that one we are able to resolve the individual Planck unit.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BrianFlanders

It's not us mate per-say but our "Id" that's the real danger regarding our minds.

I'm not sure what you mean by that or how that's relevant?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I don't see this as any different than watching a video or looking at a photo.

I have photos that I only look at every few years, and no home movies.I don't understand the whole virtual reality thing,so I may be missing something but if I could see a loved one occasionally it would bring me comfort.
I can see where it might be a problem for those having difficulty with the grieving process, or those with mental health issues, but I imagine spending time watching home movies or looking at photo albums would also be harmful for them.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Google is your friend BrianFlanders, start with "superego, Id, ego".

It's pretty ""relevant"" to the human condition.

And kind of what makes us tick, nevermind act out, or flight or fight, also somewhat responsible for one's moral compass.