China scientists identify pangolin as possible coronavirus host

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

My first thought is that it might lead to wholesale slaughter of them as the source of the disease.

Just more diversion and lies from China.

When bat does not work as distraction then blame another animal.

Because virus jumping species and mutating from food is more likely than a mistake with biological material from a lab that have gotten lose.

Ignore the lab.

What the Chinese government needs to do is stop these markets openly trading and selling wild animals/meat of any kind in their country. It doesn’t matter which wild animal it came from - a civet for SARS, possibly a pangolin for this corona virus. Any wild animal could carry a dangerous, unknown, fatal virus. So you shouldn’t eat wild animals. Simple really.

They shut down these markets for like 6 months after SARS, but after all the fuss had died down they let them reopen. And less than 20 years later - we have this catastrophe in China. The Chinese government and the Chinese people will suffer and lose a lot - not just lives but economically. And for what? So some backwards, ignorant yokels can have freshly killed endangered species meat?

Was it worth it?

So I wonder how long it will be before we are told that the solution to this problem/reaction is a brand new vaccine that everyone on the planet must be given and cannot refuse?

a reply to: OutsideContextProblem

They shut down these markets for like 6 months after SARS, but after all the fuss had died down they let them reopen. And less than 20 years later - we have this catastrophe in China. The Chinese government and the Chinese people will suffer and lose a lot - not just lives but economically. And for what? So some backwards, ignorant yokels can have freshly killed endangered species meat?

Was it worth it?

Maybe a better question might be - does the Chinese government give a rat's ass?

Because if so, it would be the first time that I'm aware of.

Seriously.

originally posted by: whatwasthat
a reply to: Riffrafter


Pangolin, think Texas armadillo and you are close.
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February 7, 2020 / 2:45 AM / Updated 30 minutes ago
Scientists question work suggesting pangolin coronavirus link
Kate Kelland, Tom Daly

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LONDON/BEIJING (Reuters) - Independent scientists questioned research on Friday that suggested that the outbreak of coronavirus disease spreading from China might have passed from bats to humans through the illegal traffic of pangolins.
FILE PHOTO: A man holds a pangolin at a wild animal rescue center in Cuc Phuong, outside Hanoi, Vietnam September 12, 2016. REUTERS/Kham

South China Agricultural University, which said it had led the research, said on its website that the “discovery will be of great significance for the prevention and control of the origin (of the new virus)”.

China’s official Xinhua news agency reported that the genome sequence of the novel coronavirus strain separated from pangolins in the study was 99% identical to that from infected people. It said the research had found pangolins - the world’s only scaly mammals - to be “the most likely intermediate host.”

But James Wood, head of the veterinary medicine department at Britain’s University of Cambridge, said the research was far from robust.

“The evidence for the potential involvement of pangolins in the outbreak has not been published, other than by a university press release. This is not scientific evidence,” he said.

“Simply reporting detection of viral RNA with sequence similarity of more than 99% is not sufficient. Could these results have been caused by contamination from a highly infected environment?”

Pangolins are one of Asia’s most trafficked mammals, despite laws banning the trade, because their meat is considered a delicacy in countries such as China and their scales are used in traditional medicine.

The outbreak of disease caused by the new coronavirus, which has killed 636 people in mainland China, is believed to have started in a market in the city of Wuhan that also sold live wild animals.

Virus experts think it may have originated in bats and then passed to humans, possibly via another species.

Jonathan Ball, a professor of molecular virology at Britain’s University of Nottingham, said that while the South China Agricultural University research was an interesting development, it was still unclear “whether or not the endangered pangolin really is the reservoir”.

“We would need to see all of the genetic data to get a feel for how related the human and pangolin viruses are, and also gain an understanding of how prevalent this virus is in pangolins and whether or not these were being sold in the Wuhan wet markets,” he said.

Dirk Pfeiffer, a professor of veterinary medicine at Hong Kong’s City University, also said the research was a long way from establishing a link between pangolins and the new coronavirus outbreak in humans.

“You can only draw more definitive conclusions if you compare prevalence (of the coronavirus) between different species based on representative samples, which these almost certainly are not,” he said.

Additional reporting by Dominique Patton in Beijing. Editing by John Stonestreet, Peter Graff and Giles Elgood
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a reply to: OutsideContextProblem

Only if the SARS-CoV source is the wild animals/meat market.

SARS-CoV was the first one, then came MERS-CoV that was even more virulent than SARS-CoV. The "official" source for MERS-CoV was Camels and they had problems explaining the bat-camel connection.

And now we have a third Coronavirus that seem to be even more deadly than MERS-CoV appear in China.

Is it not very strange that in the last 2 decades we have had 3 instances of viruses suddenly mutating and every virus is worse than the previous.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Umm, you do realize that this is how mother nature cooks up her deadliest plagues, right?

Bugs jump from animal to animal to people or from people to animal and back and in all that sight-seeing, the bugs pick up new and dangerous mutations that end up killing tons of people.

It's called zoonosis, and it's as viable an explanation for this as escape from a lab.

a reply to: ketsuko

The frequency of jumping that we experience is too high to be normal.
In the simulation done by Bill Gates last year 65 million people was predicted to die.

Strange how China use HIV treatments on this coronavirus to be more efficient.
www.theguardian.com...

And the Indian paper have been withdrawn.
Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

www.statnews.com...

In contrast, the reaction from the scientific community to the bioRxiv paper was swift. In a nutshell, commenters on bioRxiv and Twitter said, the author’s methods seemed rushed, and the findings were at most a coincidence. By Saturday morning, bioRxiv had placed a special warning on all papers about coronavirus. Later Saturday, the authors commented on their paper, saying they were withdrawing it. And on Sunday, a more formal retraction appeared: “This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results.”

Some papers need to be adjusted before seen by the public by the medical establishment. I wonder if we would even have gotten the truth from doctors that "Tobacco cause cancer" with today's level of "peer review".

History suggests that Shiloh’s confidence in peer review’s ability to suss out pseudoscience may be a bit misplaced. The fraudulent 1998 paper that set off the vaccine-autism scare was published in The Lancet, one of the world’s leading peer-reviewed medical journals. Other examples — including a paper by an intelligent design advocate questioning the validity of the second law of thermodynamics as it pertained to evolution — abound. Papers claiming a link between autism and vaccines pop up nearly every year.

Strange how it every year pops up new MMR-Autism link papers that get buried even thou medical establishment has told us there is no link.