Brexit: What a surprise *Eyeroll*. The EU start playing dirty

Speaking in Belfast yesterday Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, said that it would make unprecedented demands during negotiations because of European fears that Britain would abandon “standards”. “The UK cannot expect high-quality access to our single market if it insists on competing on state aid, social or environmental standards,” he said. The Vote Leave campaign in the 2016 EU referendum, which was masterminded by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings, now the prime minister’s chief adviser, promised voters that leaving the bloc would mean that Britain could “take back control” of its laws. Yesterday the former Brexiteer cabinet minister Sir Iain Duncan Smith said that the EU’s proposal must be dismissed by Mr Johnson. “We have simply got to say no,” he said. “Nobody in their right minds would accept this and if they continue to pursue this then we simply have to walk away.” Sir Iain added that the document showed why the government needed to pursue parallel trade talks with the United States. Downing Street was also dismissive and pointed out that such provisions regarding the European Court of Justice did not feature in other trade deals signed by the EU. “We have consistently been clear that we will not accept alignment as part of any free trade deal,” a source said. “There is no reason for the EU to insist upon it. It doesn’t feature in their free trade deal with Canada, for example.”

The Times

Is anybody surprised at all by this because I am not.

What do you say now remainers? Think the EU are being fair here? Even though they are absolutely going to treat us differently to Canada etc.

If the EU leads with this kind of nonsense then Boris needs to just tell them to stick it up their ass and we walk away, forget the deal, it was never going to be a fair one anyway.

a reply to: JPtruther


If nothing else it goes to prove that the EU is afraid of the success that the UK

will make on their own.

a reply to: JPtruther

Michel Barnier can talk as tough as he likes but that doesn't change the fact they need us and our trade more than we need them and their trade.

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2018, UK exports to the EU were £291 billion (45% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £357 billion (53% of all UK imports).

The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£66 billion with the EU in 2018. A surplus of £28 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£94 billion on trade in goods.
The UK had a trade surplus of £29 billion with non-EU countries. A surplus of £77 billion on trade in services outweighed a deficit of -£48 billion on trade in goods.
researchbriefings.parliament.uk...

Add the faltering EU economy to that equation and it seems to me we are in the driving seat not the EU , I predict concessions will be given as the clock ticks down to our full exit.

a reply to: JPtruther

The british don't need high quality axcess, they'll just do what they've always done right through recorded history -

If we (british) want it, we'll just take it and damn anyone in our way, then when we're done taking it we'll occupy your country and enslave your indigenous population and inforce through brutality our way or the highway.

I have no sympathy for a nation built on tyranny and occupation of others.

A more complete quote from Michel Barnier:

Our high standards are the reason why our trade and investment partners trust us. They are a core part of our competitive edge. Aligning with our standards may have a price. But the return is access to our Single Market. Our standards testify to the quality and safety of our products and services: Whether it's an EU logo on a toy or a Geographical Indication. But they are also a testimony to our dedication:

to continuously improving working rights,

to raising environmental standards and leading the fight against climate change,

to fighting tax fraud and evasion,

and to ensuring fair and open competition.

In our joint Political Declaration on our future relationship, the UK agreed that we need common standards to avoid unfair competitive advantages.

So when it tells us it does not want to align with EU standards and regulations in the future, it is not clear to me where, or by how much, it wishes to diverge: on standards relating to the safety and quality of products? Or on those relating to fair competition?

It is not clear to me whether, when the UK leaves the EU and the Single Market, it will also choose to leave Europe's societal and regulatory model. That is the key question, and we are waiting for an answer. Because that answer will be key for our future relationship. I hope that our UK friends are reflecting carefully on this issue. Because the UK cannot expect high-quality access to our Single Market if it insists on competing on State aid, social or environmental standards. I would not want to be misunderstood: Competition between our economies is not a bad thing. Countries compete with each other, also within the Single Market. But competition needs to be based on common high levels of standards to make sure it is fair.

Once again, the UK is faced with a choice. Our ambition – the EU's ambition – is to create a close economic partnership: One that is based on a level playing field.That is the only way we will be able to achieve a truly ambitious deal.

A deal that that benefits both sides.

A deal that is fair for our workers, for our taxpayers, our businesses and for the planet.

A deal that – even if it will never match what we have now

– lives up to our ambition to remain the best of friends and allies.

And of course, an ambitious partnership cannot be limited to trade, but must also cover our internal and external security and defence policy.

Source for more

Standards not to be dismissed.

No sign of foul play in sight.

Snowflakes and hurt butts in the UK?

originally posted by: CthruU
a reply to: JPtruther

The british don't need high quality axcess, they'll just do what they've always done right through recorded history -

If we (british) want it, we'll just take it and damn anyone in our way, then when we're done taking it we'll occupy your country and enslave your indigenous population and inforce through brutality our way or the highway.

I have no sympathy for a nation built on tyranny and occupation of others.

Well as they have a long history of kicking ass and taking names I'm sure they will survive fine without your sympathies.

a reply to: JPtruther


I would say that one of the main reasons Brexit happened was that the EU has

made many countries impotent......they are all hogtied and have to follow the

EU regime to the letter.

Sovereignty was important, very important to the many who wanted the UK

to leave the EU.

Sovereignty is important because human freedom is important. The vulgar definition of sovereignty is absence of external judgment. ... Sovereignty is an expression of what is and what isn't individual freedom as applied to the given nation. Sovereignty cannot be engineered.

The best of luck to Barnier et al in getting us to follow EU rules and laws

Friday comes .......the UK is gone as far as the EU is concerned.

Pfffft, I been all over Europe and it seems the UK was the only one playing by the rules why the others do what they want. Italy is gonna do what the mob says, Germany is gonna keep its protectionist policies for its car industry and the Dutch and others will still cheat the fishing regs.


And have you seen the cost of a jar of Marmite or Heinz baked beans in France. Jeezus.

Yall need to ban French Fries.

originally posted by: CthruU

I have no sympathy for a nation built on tyranny and occupation of others.

Ewwww.......sounds very much like what we are finally getting away from!!

That was 100 years ago...get with the moderm world man. Things have changed. Now its the US doing that. lol


a reply to: CthruU

The EU want to engineer a "level playing field". The UK also want that, but they don't want to be hobbled by regulations designed to inhibit free trade and protectionism.

Don’t forget the EU invented standards i.e. British Standards Institute, and that standards go both ways. Not all EU standards are high, or higher than the UK. The UK employment standards are already above the EU minimum, and animal welfare standards (in farming, for example) are much higher than the EU norm. If the EU want parity, then they will need to change themselves. Looking forward to the Danish and German pork industries being reformed, eh?

If this is just an EU enforcement over the UK, where the UK have to align standards as they change in the EU, then this won't happen. The EU are setting themselves up to fail. If the EU want to agree framework standards as they have done with other countries, then that’s perfectly fine. Not problematic at all.

If the EU want the politically-driven ECJ to be the arbiter over disputes, then that’s also going to fail. There is already the WTO for that!

Anyway. Are you still awake? If you are, then have a gander at this…
Opens in a PDF - BSI standards and the EU

a reply to: eletheia

Make the UK Great again.

The EU is like the evil Ex-Girlfriend who is out for revenge. They are so extremely autocratic, they don't accept any opposition. The Brexit is the ultimate opposition. Poor ego's... So I'm not surprised either.

I'm hoping for a Nexit: Netherlands exit

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: eletheia

Make the UK Great again.

Not quite .......The UK has always been great

Make it GREATER AGAIN

a reply to: CthruU eejit..

a reply to: eletheia

That works! My bro in law in London and wife will be pleased!

a reply to: JPtruther


I think ole Boris is planning on selling ya'll down the river anyways.
He certainly seems to be following the EU mandate on open immigration.

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a reply to: JPtruther

EU wanting what is best for them is playing dirty... LMAO

Of course you are going threated differently than Canada. Because you are not Canada.

Isn't that what you actually wanted in the first place? To be free to make your own deals? Well, welcome to the reality of making your own deals. Deal with it.

originally posted by: KungfuStu

originally posted by: CthruU
a reply to: JPtruther

The british don't need high quality axcess, they'll just do what they've always done right through recorded history -

If we (british) want it, we'll just take it and damn anyone in our way, then when we're done taking it we'll occupy your country and enslave your indigenous population and inforce through brutality our way or the highway.

I have no sympathy for a nation built on tyranny and occupation of others.

Well as they have a long history of kicking ass and taking names I'm sure they will survive fine without your sympathies.

Wrong, they have a long history of occupation and called it the Commonwealth.

Wheres the COMMONWEALTH, I just see royal wealth.

Blinkers much?

originally posted by: robbeh
a reply to: CthruU eejit..

Yes fair enough i know - TRUTH HURTS.