So How Are We Feeling About OPEN BORDERS After Wuhan Corona Virus?

Double post

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Yawn. Dirt country China has been responsible for spreading many diseases. Coupled with it's backward culture and fake hoax commie government and massive overpopulation they are a threat the World.

Open borders OTOH is an entirely debunked concept without the infection adding to the reasons. Borders keep out foreigners, who don't belong here without our approval and a good reason for being here

China is doing so poorly against this disease because they can't simply steal the solution from the leaders (us) like they try to do with everything else. We should plant disinfo on a network compromised by Chinese spies that chugging bleach is the cure for this outbreak and watch how fast those IP thieves try to follow our lead. Must be terrible having no original ideas ever but still lagging behind in every category. At least they're finally able to reproduce knockoff tech at A grade school level

All travel to China should be banned, and we should stop all trade with that God forsaken comie dump.

Did Trump officially cut CDC funds or is that fake news? Or should we abolish the CDC and invest in walls and moats?

a reply to: game over man

Why would he cut funding to CDC? At least not outbreak response funds, maybe the funds for studying feminism and icebergs or "gun violence" (aka thuggy thug violence)

Orange man bad

a reply to: dfnj2015
So instead of championing the overthrow of our government as we know it at every turn, JOIN THE DAMN PEACE CORP AND HELP THOSE KIDS. It will serve two purposes. One the kids would get help. Two IT GETS YOUR MARXIST ASS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

a reply to: JBurns
Bravo could not have said it better. I hate commies too. It is completely counter to our Constitution.The Constitution is all about the individual and Marxism is all about the state. I think we should round up liberals and send them to these socialist countries and let them rot.

A big wall on the American/Mexican border is sure to keep out a virus from China.

People don't fly in planes.

People and cargo don't travel in boats.

I'm 100% for closed borders. Walls. No flying. No walking or running.

Shut it all down.

a reply to: Ansuzrune

They are responsible for many backwards and horrific practices and have single handedly dealt more damage to the cause of human rights

However, when it comes to controlling outbreaks of deadly viruses, we can't play games. Their government and thus society is intrinsically wrong and incapable of handling this properly (through innovation, honesty, original thought and grit)

The fact a PLA officer and Chinese spies were caught with biowar paraphernalia should scare everyone. Could be a case of "well bring you down with us"

We can't take those chances

a reply to: Admitted

Which is why you also shut down ALL travel to and from the infected locations. No trade, no travel, no contact just for starters

Is it best for our economy? No. Is it best for our People? Absolutely yes.

The concept is really very simple: either you can track the people entering your country in case of something like this viral outbreak, or you cant.

So first I think it's cute that you think the government or anyone can effectively track 325,000 people a day. Second, U.S. citizens account for much of the international traffic. What are you suggesting.. the government tracks its own citizens both outgoing and incoming? Seriously.. you want MORE control by the government? Where does that slippery slope end? You have to check in after returning, reporting exactly where you went, with contact info in case the government needs to get in contact with you after you returned?

And what good does that do for a virus? Absolutely nothing. An American businessman goes to China or Thailand or whatever for business. Gets infected. Comes back and infects 27 people over 5 days before he has symptoms and goes to the doctor. Even if was being tracked, what good did it do? Multiply that guy x 325,000 people.

This current virus is a terrible example to use to bolster immigration laws. Unless someone is advocating for the U.S. being an isolationist country (which is stupid), or have 100% insight into everyone coming and going including U.S. citizens (which is intrusive), then there is nothing you can do to prevent this sort of thing when it starts.

Captain Trips.. Will you be one of the lucky few to re-populate?

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: game over man

Why would he cut funding to CDC? At least not outbreak response funds, maybe the funds for studying feminism and icebergs or "gun violence" (aka thuggy thug violence)

Orange man bad

Netflix has a new series called Pandemic and they talk about it. Here's a link to the-scientist.com you can check out. You can Google CDC funding cuts. Seems like you rather make jokes than look things up.

a reply to: fleabit

And what good does that do for a virus? Absolutely nothing. An American businessman goes to China or Thailand or whatever for business. Gets infected. Comes back and infects 27 people over 5 days before he has symptoms and goes to the doctor. Even if was being tracked, what good did it do? Multiply that guy x 325,000 people.

325,000 people come here from China every day? Wow...I had no idea...

Just like the people that are being monitored now, anyone he came in contact with would be looked at and possibly quarantined if there is reasonable cause to do so. The CDC calls those secondary subjects PUI, People Under Investigation, and they take it very seriously. You joke about the possibility of tracking people but we are doing at this very moment. And we will know soon if they are infected or not. I consider that a plus. What would be the benefit of not knowing who these people are or where they are or who they came in contact with?

Knowing who was on the plane is the first step to knowing where to look and who to contact. If that concept escapes you then this conversation is over. There is nothing anyone is going to say or do that is going to make the slightest difference to you.

325,000 people come here from China every day? Wow...I had no idea...

325k visit daily from around the world. Viruses of course can come from anywhere, not just China. I agree once a virus outbreak happens in a country, sure - block flights in from that country. Many countries have done that with China already. Still has nothing to do with open borders.

Looking up a plane manifest for an infected person should be easy-peasy, you don't need to track all movements of everyone coming and going out of the country.

a reply to: fleabit

I never said we need to track every person coming in and going out of the country. But we should not be letting people just waltz across the border any time they like regardless of where they come from. There are Chinese illegals here. And with the current situation in China I am willing to bet there are a whole lot of Chinese people who really want to get the hell out of there. And they know they won't get admitted right now the legal way. So...

And that does not even consider the more sinister side of this situation. It is no secret that your best bet on defeating an opponent is to hit them when they are at their weakest or most divided. I have to wonder if someone in China isn't thinking, "We might get attacked...and we conveniently happen to have one hell of a weapon if we choose to use it that way."

To be perfectly honest, if I were China I would use this opportunity to take out my biggest opponents. As long as I don't leave a paper trail I will always have plausible deniability that the person(s) who spread the virus acted on their own.

The real world isn't always shltz and giggles. I would bet my last dollar that someone somewhere is already working on weaponizing this virus if it isn't already done. Hell, this might be the weaponized version for all we know.

I am against open borders, but this is way beyond that. The Spanish flu infected 1/2 billion and killed 50 million 100 years ago. That's a pretty high death count, the basic flu killed 80K last year in America, anything even 25% more powerful than that is going wreck havoc on those with immune issues especially older people.

a reply to: fleabit

I am advocating for the US to be an isolationist country. We have everything/everyone we need between these 4 borders (2 Oceanic). Everyone else can stay right where they are: we don't need you!

When you travel to a terror infested failed state you are debriefed upon your return. If you go to a dirty, outbreak infested country (or any commie state-theyre all dirty) you should be screened to protect Americans

The fact unknowns can STILL freely enter is unacceptable and a slap in this nations face and an attack on our sovereignty as an individual nation that looks out for its own people and interests without any further consideration.

What good is our vast power and global reach if e aren't using it to help/protect/advance/enrich Americans...?

Better question, why am I paying for things that help other countries and other people's citizenry when our own affairs aren't even in order? Makes no sense. I don't care about such and such from so and so God forsaken place. I care about John and Joan Q. Public here at home

On the bright side, my shares in LMT cost me 300 last February, and is worth over 433 today Yet people complain about this country and our economic classes? Invest! Anyone can do it with a tiny bit of self control

originally posted by: muzzleflash
I'm not sure how we could prevent the spread of diseases without completely shutting down all forms of interstate travel.

If a truly dangerous pandemic breaks, there's not really anything you can do to stop it's spread.

Many people missed the whole point IMO.

lets re think this and say it this way

Why should we not try to protect ourselves?


That is more like the reason for the OP, trying or not trying at all to protect ourselves from things that would decimate our population.

Carry on with that in mind and it will make more sense

a reply to: kyosuke

You americans and your lack of understanding of international politics No one has hijacked my vocabulary neighbour, I'm an educated individual who has traveled the world. I've been on all the continents, including Antarctica. I've lived in the USA for a time too. So stop assuming.

I will try yet again.

The Virus will enter the US or any other nation, as long as people cross the boarders. Your arguments have no merit here. T he only way to stop it, would be total isolation. Thats not viable.

originally posted by: IndigoLLC

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Vroomfondel...you make excellent points.

Enforcing one's borders and letting large amounts of unchecked, unknown and unfettered masses of people...can make the difference between an uncontrolled viral crisis in a country...and one which can become out of control.

It's a difference which could save thousands upon thousands of citizens' lives.

So why wasn't there talk about quarantines and border control during the height of the HIV/AIDs pandemic which killed over a million per year and has killed more than 75 million people to date?

Simple
Because people have to put a body part in someone else's body to get that disease. It isn't carried in the air.