Corona Virus Updates

a reply to: ketsuko

Lot of cruise ships come through Alaska in the summer. I've watched them sit in harbor in Whittier, Seward, Homer, and Ketchikan and honestly I don't really see the point. You're so far up in the air that you can't possibly experience the miracles of the ocean, the towns they stop in are tourist traps on the waterfront, and it seems like they focus an awful lot of energy on entertaining people with nonsense like the largest movie screen I've ever seen (seriously, it's like a jumbotron on steroids), amusement parks on the ships, and that sort of stuff. No thanks. Besides, it would literally kill me to be on the water on a ship and not be able to fish and those ships run way too fast to troll off the back of them (not to mention you'd be trolling from a couple hundred feet above the water). Add in the personal hell of being stuck in an enclave of heathens and humanity and I'll totally pass.

(I already miss scowling Christmas cat from your avatar
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a reply to: Agit8dChop
Same.here in NZ. The herald mention a petition to stop travel from China,but they didn't dare give the link to it .
This is fkn crazy,we need to close the borders yesterday,not next week or when our health system tanks out.

a reply to: kwakakev

WWG1WGA

immediately decided not to watch

a reply to: ketsuko

It also makes one's mind wander a bit towards China's aging population and the overabundance of males to females on the lower end of the age range. Is it possible to engineer a virus that targets older people first, with more emphasis on males to boot while using kids more as carriers than sufferers?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It's not Christmas and it has been a snowy just in time to have to commute hell here, so I felt something more in keeping with my mood and January in general was in order. Besides, I get older tomorrow, and I hate my birthday. It always sucks.

I heard a bit of good news tonight. The four local high high school students that were exchange students in China have returned to the county that I live in. The good news is that they are being quarantined in Reading Hospital for 14 days in negative pressure isolation and will be tested for the virus before being released.
It seems like some people are coming to their senses now.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

And why we all hate statistics... one child policy. Less kids. Overabundance of elderly. That skews the numbers.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I get older tomorrow, and I hate my birthday. It always sucks.

Sure as hell beats the alternative.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It just seems odd that the young would have mild symptoms as far as we're seeing. Normally, the very old and very young are the ones who need to be worried because they have immune systems that either are eroded or still developing.

So it makes me wonder how much the bad air quality of China may be in play as a factor that wouldn't be in play in other places.

Of course, that might not help the Aussies too much with their fires, but they wouldn't have the prolonged exposure to bad air that the Chinese and, yes, other Asians do. The Indians may be in trouble too.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Dolby_X

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U.S. State Department says Americans currently in China should consider leaving the country

no seriously ? ...

It's almost like the rest of the world wants this pox in their population, isn't it? Never thought I'd see the madness of western collectivism rear its head on a global matter that easily could have been isolated to a communist nation.

isolated? with tens of thousands of Chinese going from Wuhan alone to other countries in the past month? that just wouldn't happen. China would have to close its borders completely at the very beginning to prevent the virus from spreading. completely - no travel, no trade, no planes, no ships, no people, nothing.

also, i recall you calling it "their" disease, now you're sounding like "they're commies, they should be the only ones having it". it just so happens that their screwed up government is most likely fine, innocent people from China are dying by the thousands though. that's one thing. another is, this virus didn't come from the market, it came from the lab - and in that case, it most likely wasn't even created there. wether it was stolen from Canada or just created by someone else, doesn't matter - but it was most likely artificially created by the west, so it's not exactly "their" - China's - disease either.

i have respect for you based on your post history so far, but in this thread you sometimes sound like you need to get off your american high horse. i'm not saying you're wrong - that's not the case - but sometimes the wording leaves something to be desired.

a reply to: Advantage

Good points, but the fact that Japan has identified a child who was a carrier but never showed symptoms helps me wonder if there's more there than we're being told.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

If something cropped up in the US, I doubt the rest of the world would be lining up to take in our tired and poor. We seem to the only nation that everyone else ever expects to have to do that.

It's not that we don't have compassion for the Chinese, but no one can help them if we all die of what's killing them.

a reply to: ketsuko

You're not wrong. I said many pages ago that it takes 9 months to a year for lung tissue to regrow healthy. I think eastern Australia, California, Brazil, etc could be in some trouble.

Good lord ... I just re-read what I wrote ... exposure to bad air. That sounds downright medieval.

Any news if this is transferable to Pets?
you know,part of the family..
what if a person already had the flu or the cold,would this virus double down on said person?
And what about smokers,same Effect as flu?
we need more information.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: jedi_hamster

If something cropped up in the US, I doubt the rest of the world would be lining up to take in our tired and poor. We seem to the only nation that everyone else ever expects to have to do that.

It's not that we don't have compassion for the Chinese, but no one can help them if we all die of what's killing them.

and i've said what would have to happen to prevent that. China would have to close its borders, completely, at the very beginning. instead, thousands of Chinese went from Wuhan to Tokyo alone - how much international travel is there and how many people live there? do you seriously think the virus spread could be prevented?

not saying that what the west is doing helps - it certainly doesn't - but it's just small part of a much bigger problem.

too little, too late.

a reply to: ketsuko

I guess it kind of makes sense, no underlying conditions, they can tolerate much more before going into shock, healthier and more active, constant exposure to new diseases. You are definitely right about their lung tissue and air quality, usually upper airway diseases are more problematic for them.

My brother brought home meningitis when we were kids, we just got quick flu like symptoms, my stepfather almost died and was hospitalized. Kids are resilient, at least until they cross that shock threshold, then they go down quick.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Advantage

Good points, but the fact that Japan has identified a child who was a carrier but never showed symptoms helps me wonder if there's more there than we're being told.

Hey, Im hoping thats how it is.. Im with you. Unfortunately I really understand a virus as a equal opportunity infector ( not a word.. but you get it) with no way to differentiate between nationality or age or etc. I see our failings as the only factor. Our preexisting conditions and level of ability to fight it. ONE kid who is an asymptomatic carrier isnt enough for me.

Facebook says it will start removing content with "false claims or conspiracy theories" about coronavirus.

about.fb.com...

Wow, that's rich. Keeping us safe my ass. Commy FB acting like big brother.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
sometimes the wording leaves something to be desired.

I'm blunt. I'm also a stereotypical arrogant American, you're absolutely not wrong. It is who and what I am and have always been.

Look, I disagree vehemently with breaking quarantines for emotional reasons. That's what each of these western countries have done by importing planes filled with people who should have remained in the quarantine zone. I do not blame the people being flown out, they're likely scared as hell and trying to survive... their decision to leave Wuhan is their survival instinct directing them. I do blame the governments who DO have a choice and DO have options, including leaving their country's people in the quarantine zones. There was no legal compulsion or logical reason to fly 201 Americans from Wuhan to the United States... it was an exercise in western virtue signaling by our leadership, Canada's leadership, the UK's leadership, etc.

I am sad that people are dying. I don't think my sorrow over that requires me (or anyone) to make dumb choices or support dumb policies. Would the United States suddenly seeing exponential growth of this virus inside our borders bring those Chinese who have died back? Would it magically cure the thousands there who may still die from it? I don't see how and, frankly, I think China's best chance to defeat this lies in the rest of the world staying as healthy as possible so our finite resources and research facilities can focus on China. If the west suddenly gets overrun by this, do you really think Beijing is going to continue to have closely working together partners from the rest of the developed world as they have so far, or is Beijing going to suddenly see a bunch of scientists trying to stop the virus in their home countries, save their loved ones, and save their country?

I agree that it seems very likely this came from a lab, not a wet market. I don't know if China developed it or stole it initially, but I do believe it has mutated to the point where whoever first had it doesn't hold the ability to stop it anymore.