Star trek Picard ....is frigging amazing!!!

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: Nyiah

Dukat and garak were the ones that truly brought the cardassians to life and were pretty multifaceted ,if it had not been done in the 90s bashir and Garak were suposed to have ended up having a relationship ,as the actor described garak as omni sexual and even wrote a non canon expansion of what happened after ds9 ended

Hmmmm. I didn't know that. And come to think of it, I'm kinda surprised it never occurred to me with all of it pretty much in full view. Especially as Bashir was so keen on Dax.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I watched it, had no issue with it. It is only recently the SJW garbage has become unbearable.

Really? Rodenberry was a true socialist utopia advocate and that bled through in all the series he was a part of.

Maybe so but Roddenberry was also responsible for some of the best stuff. Indirectly. He dictated things like keep it civil and not to have too much conflict and war and so when the writers wanted to do stuff like that, they had to be unusually creative (relative to how they would have done it on other shows). I think that ended up making Trek feel like a more enlightened future instead of the same old crap with humanity never changing it's ways.

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
CBS just has this on their streaming service only?

That is so disappointing

I admit that's probably a big mistake. I think that was ultimately why most of the other Treks eventually succeeded (remember the first two seasons of TNG really sucked, TBH). They had them on network TV and you could watch Star Trek even if you didn't have cable. I hated the first season of TNG (and still do to this day) but kept watching because it was Trek and it didn't cost me anything but an hour.

But the business has changed drastically and maybe it's just harder to make money on it now.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I think that ended up making Trek feel like a more enlightened future instead of the same old crap with humanity never changing it's ways.

A.K.A. The socialist utopia I mentioned.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I think that ended up making Trek feel like a more enlightened future instead of the same old crap with humanity never changing it's ways.

A.K.A. The socialist utopia I mentioned.

Right. The main reason socialism hasn't really been successful has been because there were technological and ideological barriers getting in the way. Things like "stuff doesn't come out of thin air". Well, in Star Trek, it kinda does. The replicator is a food machine that makes food and other goods out of nothing. Supposing you could do something like that, it would make utopia a lot more feasible. I mean once you get to the point to where you don't have to force people to give up their stuff to keep other people alive.

Of course it's kinda optimistic but Roddenberry was smart enough to put it hundreds of years into the future. Looking how far things have come just since the 70s, it's not so hard to believe a couple hundred years could change everything. Though the eternal pessimist in me really tends to think that humans could never be trusted with replicators and transporters and even phasers. I mean just the boring hand phaser in the hands of a standard human would be insane.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Though the eternal pessimist in me really tends to think that humans could never be trusted with replicators and transporters and even phasers.

I agree and I'm living proof. I'd create a Mila Kunis meatcicle from my replicator.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Though the eternal pessimist in me really tends to think that humans could never be trusted with replicators and transporters and even phasers.

I agree and I'm living proof. I'd create a Mila Kunis meatcicle from my replicator.

That would be too easy. She already looks like an artificial human.

Watched it last night. Have to say I was pleasantly surprised it wasn't as bad as I was afraid is was going to be.

It's definitely not the TNG I grew up with, but Patrick Stewart is a good actor and it was good to see him play the role.

I hope it develops well. I don't mind it is not episodic like the originals were. Just make it a good plot and good story-telling.

Spoiler:
I thought some of the stuff was sappy. Like when the protagonist "gets activated" and then seeks out Picard and says she doesn't know why but she feels safe with him. And she confesses to killing some assassins sent to kill her, and he invites her into his house to sleep the night without knowing her.

Watched a couple of interviews with Patrick Stewart that I enjoyed, if you enjoyed TNG or are watching Picard you might like them as well. In the second one Stewart invites Whoopi back for season 2, and she tears up.

Episode 2. Extremely bland. Massive exposition dump. They say "show not tell" but this episode is very much "tell everything show nothing". Glad it's over. Lots of "strong wahmen" in this one, all in positions of power, berating anything with a penis. Not sure the F bombs were needed either. The member-berries didn't have much impact this time round, though in the massive dialogue exposition dump it was nice someone at least mentioned Worf and Geordie.

Just my opinion. Patrick Stewart good as always but very, very small line count in this one. Hope it gets better, for me "Chats And Exposition"...sorry...."Maps and Legends" - was a considerable nosedive from episode 1. Interested to know what people liked about this episode, which to me played out like 45 mins of people reading out Wikipedia (or Memory Alpha) pages to each other.

a reply to: markymint

havent caught the new one yet so gonna go check that out now and see what i think of it but i like you do prefer the show dont tell approach for most things,thanks for reminding me it was on tonight !

so far its starting off some what odd as to me at least the starfleet ships looked like they had cardassian design elements but im only about 3 mintues in so far ,these androids are not as funny as data was but nothing major to let me down yet. the android dad jokes didnt win me over though ,and its still semi werid hearing swearing in a star trek but they are getting into the adroid revolt a bit quicker then i thought they would in this episode

with out being too much more into the episode you would think they would have put a bit more safe gaurds into the androids as other then IG188 in mandalorian you dont see to many suicidal robots ,but i do find it odd that either they did not put the first law of robotics into these guys AND or they are some how "hack-able"

i DO love getting to see a new side of the Romulens and more context on them as we have gotten not much so far in all of the star wars media ,this almost feels more like a mystery show vs the standard star trek fair im used to but not let down majorly yet but im only about a quarter done

really surpised at the hostility being voiced at Picard after literally everything hes done for starfleet ,its getting much darker then the next gen days but still not exactly put off but they are keeping the trend of most of the senior officers in starfleet being complete bastards though

Spoilering TF out of a conversation some people are salty over, to try explain it's obvious nuances that some have plainly missed.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
really surpised at the hostility being voiced at Picard after literally everything hes done for Starfleet ,its getting much darker then the next gen days but still not exactly put off but they are keeping the trend of most of the senior officers in starfleet being complete bastards though

There was pre-existing tension between him and Clancy, from the relief effort. To sum it up, 14 member worlds were threatening to leave the Federation if aid was continued to Romulans post-Mars attack. THEREFORE, one has to consider they did not mention which member species, and depending on which ones, that could have been a catastrophic Achilles' heel pull-out if it were big ones like the Vulcans or Andorians, who do have colony worlds (and I believe colony worlds are counted in the 150 member WORLD count, since it's not a species count) In this vein, I'm taking the implication given to mean it was important member worlds, and Starfleet & the Federation were both between a rock & a hard place -- let the Romulans possibly die off without their help, or topple the Federation, which throws it's weight behind more than one member specie, rather than playing hero at the cost of their own to the outsider enemy specie.

This I can understand being a source of intense tension and animosity between Clancy and Picard. And honestly, it's rightfully so because they are both right for the right reasons, but only one end result can be had. Rock, meet. hard. place.

And to be blunt, she was right about the sheer f#g hubris -- he had the gall to walk in, make what is essentially a grandiose demand to be reinstated & given a ship and crew, and then had the stones to offer up accepting a demotion to make any iffy people feel better.

Even for Picard, that's a bit big for his proverbial britches and even I raised an eyebrow at the notion -- Picard's undeniably selfless when it comes to the welfare of others, but this came off as a little much, almost holier-than-thou, albeit innocent holier-than-thou. In short, he needed the smackdown. Just because he is who he is and has done what he's done in his career does not mean he or anyone else with clout can carry around a blank check for SF to fill out when he demands it.


Also, I'd like to point out that if you paid attention to Laris giving the background info for the Zhat Vash, she stated the group had been, presumably, around for thousands of years.

That means they were likely on Vulcan, pre-split. I get the feeling we might be getting a little more backstory later on about the split, and I think that hints that philosophical (logical versus emotion) differences weren't the only reason.

The framing of the Zhat Vash here also puts the Tal Shiar into a much more clear perspective --- they're definitely akin to Starfleet Intelligence, whereas Zhat Vash might actually be the Section 31 equivalent in reality. Which very well could mean the Tal Shiar have been having their strings pulled from even darker shadows than their own for a very long time, and never knew it. Talk about irony of ironies there. When I thought about Laris' explanation, I chuckled -- the Tal Shair are someone else's puppets. ha. If that turns out to be the case, I cannot imagine a bigger insult and smarting wound to their ego.

Edit: Just thought of something else! One more thing to consider regarding the Zhat Vash -- it is entirely possibly Commodore Oh really might be a sympathetic Vulcan if the influence of the ZV really is many millennia old with it's origins on Vulcan, as opposed to an undercover altered Romulan. It's possible she's Romulan, yes, but it might be far more likely she's part of either an old, well-established underground on Vulcan, or was approached after voicing certain concerns that may have triggered their attention.

Either way, I suspect there's some pretty old ties between the two species via this group. I don't think the Romulans ever totally vacated Vulcan, at least not in the clandestine intel community sense.

Episode 3. I found to be a lot better than episode 2. Certainly still some facepalm moments, but some actual Picard moments too, to level it out lol. His phone call was on point and he does do a catchphrase. Catchphrase man good...

I don't like the half baked CGI shots that fly around and just fade into a new scene, such a wasted opportunity - it's not hard to mix the CGI with the live action set. Such a basic norm of Star Trek imagery and not hard to do at all. You feel you are going somewhere in the Cube and then it fades and you have no idea where you are. They did this in episode 2 also, completely jarring the "tour".

It was also dumb that Picard didn't warn his maids that the dudes can spit acid suicide pills and they just drag them around and sit them up and wake them up sitting in front of their face lol. Kind of a key detail that led to Daj's death and Picard being exploded 40 feet. Alright, I'll accept dimentia or maybe the fact they didn't appear on the CCTV for Picard to not have known about that detail, but it kinda plays out like it IS known about back at Chateau cos the dude de-clothes pretty quick when he gets acid on him.

Agnes is a good character, as I presumed she would be from ep 1. I think I'll stick around to see more Picard and her. They are the draw for the "new crew". The pilot, his gay hologram and the "I'm angry at you so I'm going to use you and later forgive you" woman is a bit tropey and ugh. But certainly things come together nicer in this episode and it felt like there is something there worth sticking around for. Not in spades, but enough for me.

Lots of points I just kinda zoned out and was thinking where's Data! Where's Riker! lol. But then Picard did something actually quite Picardy and all was forgiven. **** knows about the story, it's just popcorn viewing at the mo for me.

It took me a full 5 minutes for the voice to click for me, but HUGH!!! HUGH!! Running the Cube project! Time looks to have treated him decently enough since Descent aired, but he clearly doesn't seem to trust the Romulans (smart guy)

The one thing that threw me, and had me laughing (in a good way) was Oh's Ray-bans. Vulcan's have an inner eyelid, and thus no need for sunglasses, so this cracked me up to no avail. I'm not sure if it was just random, or had meaning, but I found it just funny enough to let the ridiculousness slide.

originally posted by: markymint
I don't like the half baked CGI shots that fly around and just fade into a new scene, such a wasted opportunity - it's not hard to mix the CGI with the live action set. Such a basic norm of Star Trek imagery and not hard to do at all. You feel you are going somewhere in the Cube and then it fades and you have no idea where you are. They did this in episode 2 also, completely jarring the "tour".

You're referring to within the Cube, yes? Landing pads to roughly where a character is when dialog begins, that whole route taken visually? I think it's meant to be that jarring. It's a massive structure, and making it a visually a cinch to follow in panning shots would really water down it's enormity, IMO. I REALLY like this photography style they're using to depict it -- controlled chaos almost, it's fitting.

It was also dumb that Picard didn't warn his maids that the dudes can spit acid suicide pills and they just drag them around and sit them up and wake them up sitting in front of their face lol. Kind of a key detail that led to Daj's death and Picard being exploded 40 feet. Alright, I'll accept dimentia or maybe the fact they didn't appear on the CCTV for Picard to not have known about that detail, but it kinda plays out like it IS known about back at Chateau cos the dude de-clothes pretty quick when he gets acid on him.

He doesn't need to warn them, they already know -- they're both ex-Tal Shiar agents.

Agnes is a good character, as I presumed she would be from ep 1. I think I'll stick around to see more Picard and her. They are the draw for the "new crew". The pilot, his gay hologram

Which hologram and why is it supposedly gay? Aside from the "who cares?" factor anyway. The hologram is actually two, as far as I could tell, an EMH, and an ENH, unless I got some dialogue wires crossed. There's the regular British accented one, and the Irish accented one, which I think was done in a poor accent on purpose, as the actress who plays Laris is Irish. They wouldn't slip that in there without a reason for such an bad accent.

and the "I'm angry at you so I'm going to use you and later forgive you" woman is a bit tropey and ugh. But certainly things come together nicer in this episode and it felt like there is something there worth sticking around for. Not in spades, but enough for me.

If you look at Raffi as the end result of someone who backed Picard all the way to his bluff being called (resignation) and was then left high and dry for it afterward despite being his first officer, her being a complete angry mess makes a lot of sense. They were each other's support & backing for the revised rescue plans, and then all of a sudden Picard's bluff is called, he slinks off to lick his wounds defeated, and she's effectively humiliated and her credibility is kinda shot there. One would think in certain upper echelons of even Star Trek, being part of that kind of a monkey-on-the-back duo would make you an unwanted pariah. She was ultimately fired/stripped of rank.

Lots of points I just kinda zoned out and was thinking where's Data! Where's Riker! lol. But then Picard did something actually quite Picardy and all was forgiven. **** knows about the story, it's just popcorn viewing at the mo for me.

Data's exclusively seen only in Dreamland, that's the only place we've seen him and probably the only place we're going to see him again. I figure there's bound to be a few more dreamscape poker games up the show's sleeve, though.

And I believe Riker and fam are next week's episode, and Seven's debut is the following week.

This Picard so far seems more like the one from 'Tapestry' that never attacked the Nausicaans. I'm probably not going to watch this any more and instead rewatch TNG, it's much better.

Episode 4, feeling quite "settled in" now, I quite liked this one. This one was directed by Jonathan Frakes and you can feel his style and sensibility across the scenes. Picard is quite active and vocal in this episode which I felt strengthened his character traits, compared to previous episodes. "Swindon Spock" and the "Destroyer of all things" scenes still feel pretty wooden and unnatural but must say all the other actors in this episode do a great job. The "Legolas" character could be interesting and the dynamic between him and Picard I'm eager to see more of.

Maybe a little TNG (and a couple of the movies) bias but I think overall Frakes direction made me care about the characters quite a bit more than previous episodes, minor characters even. The script seemed a little better too, less janky and better conveyed - yes still a lot of exposition but much more natural in this episode, to me at least. Next episode also directed by Frakes so looking forward to it. Good stuff, now I like 2 episodes (1 and 4) properly, lol, so 50% is an ok ratio at this point Got a feeling I will enjoy the next Frakes directed episode too, at least.

Just one cringe moment in the editing, where they reversed the speed of a shot, looked awful and obvious. It's a trick often used to show a character looking at another character, but the only take they have is them looking AWAY from the character, so they reverse it in post to create the opposite. That said, I know I've seen a couple of blatant ones like that across all TNG episodes, so I will chalk it down to possibly an easter egg moment, a "mark" on purpose by Frakes, or sth. lol. It was that bad and obvious I wonder if it was supposed to be extremely obvious, maybe an in-joke or sth. Well that or just #ty editing, haha. Didn't detract from the episode at all though!

Episode 5, couldn't really get into it. This was some kind of female empowerment episode or sth, all the men were Luke Skywalkers. Playing the fools or being berated or condescended to, weak, pathetic, cut off. A lot of what happened felt contrived. The emotional moments fall flat, bereft of any levity or meaningful connection. "For a moment there it felt like old times" says Raffi after calling him Picard for once, though I'm not sure how her being generally a dick to Picard the entire series so far constitutes as being like old times, I thought they had a good relationship in the old times, not a stand-offish, talk down to "JL" at every opportunity friendship somewhere in their past, guess not. So yeah that was a "da # are you talking about?" moment.

Honestly, P.S. seemed to be phoning it in this time round so not even gonna say "well at least Patrick Stewart" etc. Also, in space, in the future, and an alien race that can literally smell a lie, stood next to Picard as he completely shifts his demeanour from faking it to what's going on, massive body language, and said alien doesn't even detect a hint. So bull#. Real shame cos I thought Frakes was onto something with Episode 4 but this one was drivel, the "plot" was all made up of diatribe. Agnes arc predicted by others came to pass, the last 10 minutes wasn't that interesting cos it was so obvious what was about to happen. Bruce Maddox again another Luke Skywalker, 4 episodes we waited for that? Right.

Also the hologram screens, my god were they awful. The human eye that uses a computer can quite easily detect when a single sentence has been copied + pasted 100 times. You could see all the screens were made up of the same few lines of text copied and pasted, it was horribly obvious and lazy.

Yeah, I think I'm out, unfortunately. I don't care what happens beyond this point. I don't care that they'll meet up with Riker briefly now, I'm sure he's as cucked and "teh fool male" as the rest of them. # this iteration of Star Trek, of Picard. It's retarded and my time is better spent rewatching TNG which I have been doing and enjoying every moment of, meanwhile giving Picard a chance but feeling barely anything whatsoever. I have no problem with strong female characters but if that's going to be ALL of them at every given moment then you've created a show for very subservient men which isn't me.

I don't see any parallels to Trump but # me Trump In Space would be a far better TV show at this point. He can visit some civilizations and grab them by the tractor beam or whatever. It'd # all over this show in both style and ratings. It certainly couldn't be much more stupid or basic. And I think that's how I'd describe the Star Trek Picard show - BASIC. Or, "simple". No need or room for critical thought, no time or energy for analysis or debate. Just simple people following a simple path having simple emotions with some simple action scenes for good simple measure. Whilst waiting for literally every character to work in the phrase "I don't need a lecture from you Picard". Like haha that joke is so funny that Picard was a diplomat in TNG let's bring it up in every episode like it's some kind of character flaw. As Pirate Picard (in this episode) might say, c'est terrible.

So I'm out. 5 episodes in and the only scene I've personally enjoyed and felt goosebumps was the opening scene on Ten Forward with Data. I know I liked something about episode 4 but even that I can't remember what and it was only last week. The rest is completely forgettable so that's exactly what I'm going to do. So long JL, so long simple show. If I want a decent story about a young crew being taken to the edge by Picard that's intelligent, thought provoking and brings a tear to the eye - I'll just rewatch The Lower Decks in the space of 45 mins. I don't know what this current iteration is - outside of slow, meandering and simple. It was basically the wrong format for a subpar vision. Should've been a short web-series, or a low budget feature film, or a freaking stage play. Beam me the # away from this # Scotty

That episode forced me to make a bitter video, LOL



sigh

Episode 6. I don't know why I really bothered but it was nice to see Picard and Hugh together. Sounds like most people enjoyed that part. But let's not forget we're talking about 4 minutes worth out of 45... the rest of the episode... cringe. Agnes and Rios have somehow bonded enough to have sex even though all they ever did was chat about space once, Elron is "shutup Wesley" the sequel and I honestly don't know what I'm watching this for anymore.

We know what's going on and have to wait episode after episode for the characters to catch up, there is no emotional payoff, no intrigue that doesn't have blunt pointers - you know what's coming around almost every corner. There is nothing intelligent about this show nor thought provoking, it doesn't have to be TNG but it could at least not be extremely dumb. Picard meeting old cast for several minutes here and there is the draw, and that's hardly a draw at all. I will watch the Riker episode, to see how useless he is to this story.

But through episode 6 I mostly sat there weeping internally at how sad an affair this "series" is. The left can't meme, they also can't write very good TV shows, in fact, the left can't create entertainment very effectively at all nowadays.

I'll leave it at that. I notice no-one else here can be arsed to comment on this TV show anymore so that should tell you something...!