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Democrats Feeling the Bern!

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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn


I'm anti-authoritarian leftist and support President Trump, but I'm no republican and I remember they tried to push Jeb! on us before Trump took the nomination. If they think whoever they run in 2024 is going to enjoy the support Trump has now, they are sorely mistaken.

That's what so many anti-Trumpers don't get. Trump is not their problem... the movement behind Trump is their problem, and that can't be impeached. Donald Trump just rode that wave of populism into the White House, and has worked with it. They might as well try to kill a briar tree by knocking one briar off it.

Donald Trump can be defeated in 2020 one and only one way: if he decides to buck those who put him in power. For example, if he were to start talking about allowing gun control... he's gone (assuming there's anyone else to vote for).

Come 2024, if I see an establishment Republican (like JEB!) on the ticket, they're going to be sorely disappointed. The movement will live on without Trump.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

It would be fun to watch Trump vs. Bernie although Trump would easily win. I wouldn't want to see my 401k and home prices crash and burn if Bernie wins. hahah



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 05:11 PM
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I don't understand why people are still buying into this reality TV miniseries. We learned in 2016 that the Democratic nomination goes to the highest bidder. The DNC freely admitted it, and I've seen nothing to suggest that policy has changed.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Biden has already bought the nomination. Why else would the MSM be working so hard to bury his dealings in the Ukraine?

The rest of the field has three functions. Attack Trump, draw any real heat away from Biden, and unite their supporters behind Biden when his selection is announced.

What's the point in watching when you know how it ends?



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Much more fun if it wasn't so dangerous to the rest of us.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Lumenari



So now the party is being torn apart by the establishment Democrats vs the extreme socialist side of the same party.

No, I think the party is ripping itself apart for different reasons. This is about trying to rid themselves of their greatest threat, and that is Trump. They not only hate him, they fear him. Trump is doing his best to expose the underbelly of corruption of the DNC cabal. Funny thing is Trump has to do virtually nothing to expose the DNC. They are exposing themselves.

Believe this or not, the internet is exposing the DNC cabal.


You bring up a point that is worthy of a thread in itself.

My brother brought up to me in 2015 that the Progressives have a 100 year plan (which they actually do, if you care to go down that rabbit hole) that was entirely screwed when they lost control of information to the population when the internet happened.

Hillary for 2016 was essentially them running naked screaming with their hair on fire to the finish line.

They never reached the finish line.



So now Progressives are in a rather bad position with American voters that can be summed up by this song...



A good time to be alive in America.




posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Lumenari

Much more fun if it wasn't so dangerous to the rest of us.


If you think of the alternatives (actual civil war, the road to tyranny, etc) this is a much more palatable thing to live through.

We are still at the ballot box and not yet to the bullet box.



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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

The proggie natives are restless. I'm not sure how long they'll stay at the ballot box.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Lumenari

The proggie natives are restless. I'm not sure how long they'll stay at the ballot box.



Current Commander In Chief is Trump.

You know, the guy in charge of the military.

Be a rather bad time for the purple-headed Starbucks crowd to dash in, waving their dildos and bongs while they scream at the sky and rush to attack...



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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 07:50 PM
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Watching the debates the democrats really have nobody.
The tank is empty, the DNC is broke and all they have now is impeachment.


originally posted by: neo96
What does one say when they hate the ever living hell out of both Clinton and Sanders?

Sanders needs to retire.

Clinton needs to be sitting in jail.

I have to ask is why there's no real candidate being offered to the public to vote for?




posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


Come 2024, if I see an establishment Republican (like JEB!) on the ticket, they're going to be sorely disappointed. The movement will live on without Trump.


I'm Sure the Republicans will try that again. They are as clueless as the Democrats when it comes to this.

They don't realize what we are about. We aren't just wanting to take control of the Government, we want to break the wheel and prevent the previous Status Quo from ever taking control again.

Keep those Judge confirmations flowing.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneckTo the split in the Dem Party, I think it began before Trump. Sanders, though being an independent, was running as a D and the support he was getting prior to Trump was already demonstrating the cracks. And looking at Gabbard's early on being touted as '' the future'' and then here being shuffled off to the side when she would not take a knee also gives a glimpse in that direction.

I have never held to the notion of either Clinton as being liberal, rather, both were more centrist but eager to wear the mantel of liberal change in order to catch the energies of changing social demographics. Neo liberal at best, but that aint really liberal, just conservative in liberal cloth.

Sanders threatened that ''image'' of the Clintons by really touting liberal causes and showing her for the centrist she is and in the process garnering huge swaths of support she thought she had wrapped up.

Enter Trump and he scared the crappola outta Sanders because he was the epitome of the ill fruits of the capitalist system that Sanders rails against.. Clinton didn't like him because he threatened her rise to the throne she thought was her right.


the Republicans seem to think they are somewhat safe because Trump is one of them.


For me thought, this is the crux. Is Trump really conservative? Is he really a Republican? Much has been made about his past liberal ''friends'' and his past ''donations'' to liberal groups. I think bosh. What that was was him sucking up to power, playing the Sancho Panza or Tonto roll. He did this to gain access to liberal power, not that he was liberal at all.

Likewise I do not see him as either a conservative or a Republican. He is and has been a power seeker and found in the Republican Party and a discontented conservative electorate a base to utilize. To use. Just as the Clinton's found in the Democrat Party .

Edit to say that for me, real liberals understand that they need to work WITH conservatives and real conservatives understand that they need to work with liberals, both for the good of the nation,


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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari
I'm old enough now and seen enough now to know the direction our nation is headed, and am resolved to the truth that there is nothing anyone can do at this point to change the direction we find ourselves in now. I can't see the usefulness of my participation at this stage and am content to just sit back and let it happen.
When the end of this grand experiment finally fails, I won't be surprised.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
but then, look at his opponent for the top spot: Joe Biden, he of the hair-sniffing, little-girl-touching, can't-tell-a-story-without-making-it-up, forgets-where-is, chews-out-potential-voters Hall of Fame. Does anyone really think "creepy, sleepy, quid pro Joe" has as much chance as a snowball in a Death Valley heat wave of defeating Donald Trump?



Think of old Joe and Trump in one on one debates, GOD you could sell tickets to that. Joe is going to get eaten alive.... I really can't wait...



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: CharlesT

I'm old enough now and seen enough now to know the direction our nation is headed, and am resolved to the truth that there is nothing anyone can do at this point to change the direction we find ourselves in now. I can't see the usefulness of my participation at this stage and am content to just sit back and let it happen.
When the end of this grand experiment finally fails, I won't be surprised.



Don't get your panties in a bunch...

I'm old enough too, old enough to know this has always been this way for 100s of years. This difference is in the past no one knew much since news was slow. Today it is not only 24/7 but now minute by minute. Nothing new here just the same old same old, but it sure seems like a lot doesn't it. Jefferson was describe as a ""a liar, whoremaster, debaucher, drunkard, gambler, and infidel." nothing new going on here lol.

Notice any similarities here?



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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

Be a rather bad time for the purple-headed Starbucks crowd to dash in, waving their dildos and bongs while they scream at the sky and rush to attack...




Dildos...really? Everyone knows you can not mix pussy hats with dildos, that is just strange...geez


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posted on Jan, 23 2020 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: TheRedneck


Come 2024, if I see an establishment Republican (like JEB!) on the ticket, they're going to be sorely disappointed. The movement will live on without Trump.


I'm Sure the Republicans will try that again. They are as clueless as the Democrats when it comes to this.

They don't realize what we are about. We aren't just wanting to take control of the Government, we want to break the wheel and prevent the previous Status Quo from ever taking control again.



My thoughts exactly. What happens after Trump leaves office worries me way more than any of this nonsense going on now or the 2020 elections. Hopefully enough people wake up and realize that the current political climate has opened up other options and opportunities for us vs. the same ol same ol we’ve had for years and years.

I don’t see Trump as the Messiah but he’s certainly been a much needed game changer. He’s the perfect wildcard, neither side knows what to do with him.



posted on Jan, 23 2020 @ 08:22 AM
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I'm sure the cracks existed in the Democrat Party before this latest episode. A solid boulder doesn't crack overnight; it takes years of tiny imperfections accumulating in the grain before the crack seemingly happens suddenly. The crack was there for a long time; it was just not visible yet.

As to Trump, I have never seen him as a true "conservative"... of course, I have never seen myself as a true "conservative" either. That's a label others have placed on me. I support welfare programs... I just want them to be better, to give more, better assistance to those who need them so they can regain their footing securely and then on to the next victim of circumstance. Help more people and help them more through efficiency. I support legalization of lower-level drugs. I oppose most wars, unless we are threatened or attacked. I do not want to legislate... heck, I don't want to know... what other people do in their bedrooms. There's a utopian balance between that which has served us for millennia and that which can serve us better. Neither the pure conservative nor the pure liberal can find that balance.

I also don't see Trump as a true "Republican." By registration, yes, he is Republican, but by ideology he is indeed centrist. I suppose many do see him as "conservative," simply because the definitions have changed. Today, the left is no longer what I call "liberal"; they are so far beyond "liberal" that the true liberals appear conservative. That's why I started calling them by their chosen "progressive" label (although I think I am going to change that to "regressive" as it more aptly seems to describe their positions).

No, Donald Trump is a pragmatic businessman. He knows how to manipulate people to get what he wants. In building a real estate empire, what he wants is what is good for him personally. When dealing in politics, it appears what he wants is what is good for the country (which is also, in turn, good for him politically). After all, why does he need money? The man already has so much money he can't spent it all! The average politician needs money, at least in the beginning of their career, because they have little. That's why they can be bought. It is not money that is the root of all evil; it is the love of money, and one need not possess a thing in order to love that thing. Not possessing a thing can make acquisition of it all the more important.

Now, is Trump the "perfect" President? Nope. He's far too brash and far too outspoken and far too egotistical. However, that combination is a great asset when facing the type of corruption that we all know exists in DC today. That's why he's there: to root out the corruption, to get it to expose itself so it can be removed. Once that task is completed, Donald Trump can go back to his reality TV and lavish hotels, happily lounging in luxury and admiring his legacy... we will move on to a more genteel personality to head the country.

But until the corruption is gone, we need Trump... all of Trump. The good, yes, but especially the bad.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 23 2020 @ 08:25 AM
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Slow burn Bernie Sanders will never get the nomination. Hillary is the real unofficial head of the DNC. Nothing happens without her approval, everyone knows that.
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posted on Jan, 23 2020 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT

Have a Snickers.

The grand experiment is fine. The purple-headed weirdos and their genderqueer allies may need extensive medication + therapy, but the nation is doing fine.



posted on Jan, 23 2020 @ 10:27 AM
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Looking at New Hampshire, Bernie jumped 14 points between December and January. He's now polling about twice as well as he did in '16 and twice as well as Biden currently(whosits in 3rd.)
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