What is coronavirus and how worried should we be?

a reply to: andy06shake

This isn't the flu.
It's a Cold!

A bad one but SARS is worse.

Nothing to worry about honestly.
The media is exaggerating and hyping it but that's all fear mongering bs...

a reply to: muzzleflash

More than lightly that's true.

But apparently the Coronavirus infection can spread to the lower respiratory tract(your windpipe and your lungs).

Where it can cause pneumonia, especially in older people, people with heart disease, or people with weakened immune systems.

So possibly something to worry about dependant on age and condition.

That's true of many other communicable diseases all the same.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: andy06shake

This isn't the flu.
It's a Cold!

A bad one but SARS is worse.

Nothing to worry about honestly.
The media is exaggerating and hyping it but that's all fear mongering bs...

So Chinese national tv going out on twitter confirming Wuhan complete quaranteen is simply fear mongering?
Who gains from telling anyone that Wuhan is being locked down on all levels?? Who....

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: andy06shake

This isn't the flu.
It's a Cold!

A bad one but SARS is worse.

Nothing to worry about honestly.
The media is exaggerating and hyping it but that's all fear mongering bs...

Also... since you like to spew sars comprison....

Sars:
First case: nov. 16
Toll feb 14: 304 infected 5 deaths

CoronaV:
First case dec:
Toll jan 22: 555 infected 17 deaths

Get your facts straight

Guerilla marketing for the Stand reboot on CBS online...

Seriously it's likely nothing I remember Legioner's the swine flu bird flu ,mad cow SARS etc. etc. Think this might be one thing WHO is good about. Now lets just watch Wuhan and see what the mortality rate is, as a sneaky dry cough pops up from no where.

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: andy06shake

This isn't the flu.
It's a Cold!

A bad one but SARS is worse.

Nothing to worry about honestly.
The media is exaggerating and hyping it but that's all fear mongering bs...

Also... since you like to spew sars comprison....

Sars:
First case: nov. 16
Toll feb 14: 304 infected 5 deaths

CoronaV:
First case dec:
Toll jan 22: 555 infected 17 deaths

Get your facts straight

I already linked you my sources, all 4 of them, in the other thread.

If you read them you'll probably come to similar conclusions I did.

Thanks.

This new virus is designated Wuhan-Hu-1, it is a beta-coronavirus meaning that it originated from an animal and jumped to humans. SARS and MERS are also beta-coronavirus. The genome of the virus has already been sequenced and contains 29,903 base pairs and can be found on the gene database at the link. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It's too early to tell how bad it will spread, but when a pathogen jumps from animal to human it is of serious concern. This particular virus is more than just a common cold.

a reply to: weirdguy

Neat fact about Spanish Flu? It was just the flu.

What made it deadly was that it was of a strain out immune systems had never seen. It was a novel strain of flu. The deadliness was due to the over-reaction of our own immune systems in many cases. Cytokine storms killing the young and healthy.

This could very well be just a cold, a very nasty one, one our immune systems have never seen and freak out when encountering, but still just a cold for all that because that's what a coronavirus is.

Welp China is literally shutting down cities the size of NY or LA so what's that tell you..

originally posted by: toysforadults
Welp China is literally shutting down cities the size of NY or LA so what's that tell you..

That they're a repressive, authoritarian state that can do this sort of thing? You got a bad bug you don't know anything about and you'rye coming up on your busiest travel days of the entire year ... you make like China and try to keep anyone from going around with the disease.

Keep 11 million in place instead of spread out all over.

a reply to: andy06shake

Something I've learned only recently is that with infections, even those leading to hospitalization, there's only a small handful of specific microbes they test for. Most others are simply a matter of treating based on symptoms and hoping the infection responds.

If it doesn't, its off to higher level facilities for further investigation. My father is going trough this currently. Doing much better after 7 weeks and finally a follow up with an infectious disease doc from one of the high-end university medical research hospitals in a couple of weeks.

They rule out and rule out, and come to the conclusion (at a major Chicago suburban hospital) that there's an infection they cannot yet identify without sending him up to a more advanced facility.

Quite a wake-up call. We're still in our infancy in identifying infectious disease agents, until they become well-known and on the list as "expected" culprits. You don't just put a drop on a microscope slide and see "aha! Its [such and such bacteria]"

a reply to: MetalThunder

Cos' it's' a viral infection and antibiotics are for bacterial infections. They don't treat viruses because they can't kill viruses. That's not even remotely how they work.

Anyone talking about Coronavirus and antibiotics is one breathless sentence is a charlatan.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: weirdguy


This could very well be just a cold, a very nasty one, one our immune systems have never seen and freak out when encountering, but still just a cold for all that because that's what a coronavirus is.

There are different types of Coronavirus, it is responsible for only 30% of colds, and most of them are from human coronavirus (HCoV). There are other pathogens that cause common colds not just coronavirus.

HCoVs infect airways and are responsible for different respiratory diseases (19, 44). Although the SARS-CoV was associated with a severe acute respiratory disease during the 2002–2003 pandemic, most HCoVs cause only a mild respiratory infection (49). Epidemiological studies suggest that HCoVs account for 15 to 30% of common colds, with only occasional spreading to the lower respiratory tract.

jvi.asm.org...

Animal related coronavirus such as MERS, SARS and now 2019-nCoV (Wuhan-Hu-1) are not just common colds and are diseases in their own right. Human immune systems have not encountered these pathogens before because they have jumped species.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

That's presumptuous of you. Humans will die off some day, it might not be tomorrow or next week but it will happen.

a reply to: weirdguy

No, they have because the cold is a coronavirus.

It would be more accurate to say our immune systems have not encountered these strains of it. Generally speaking, the immune system will fight it off, but with a novel (or new) strain its reaction might be so strong that it kills us.

This is not like ebola where the disease itself kills. This is a disease that will be nasty but generally survivable. It will be like getting a very, very bad cold or respiratory tract infection (what a cold is). When they talk about victims developing a strong inflammatory response, that's the immune system *not* the disease, and it's the inflammatory response that tends to create the pneumonia. And the pneumonia is what kills.

Avoid that super inflammatory response, and the odds are that you will beat the virus the same way you outlast any cold.

originally posted by: dogstar23

Quite a wake-up call. We're still in our infancy in identifying infectious disease agents, until they become well-known and on the list as "expected" culprits. You don't just put a drop on a microscope slide and see "aha! Its [such and such bacteria]"

The first step in identification of bacteria is a Gram stain, staining the sample allows for the bacteria to be seen under a microscope and what formation they are in, such as clusters (Staph) or in chains (Strep). The bacteria will be stained and classified, red/pink for Gram negative, or blue purple for Gram positive. For example Staphylococcus Aureus presents itself as blue clusters of circles, see pic below.




Further different tests are then performed to identify the organism. Assays such as a Microbact system are also common place in the pathology lab and are very accurate. Microbiologists are well trained and should be able to identify an organism by how it looks on an agar plate.

I hope that they sort out your dad's problem very soon.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: weirdguy

No, they have because the cold is a coronavirus.

It would be more accurate to say our immune systems have not encountered these strains of it.

I did,

Animal related coronavirus such as MERS, SARS and now 2019-nCoV (Wuhan-Hu-1) are not just common colds and are diseases in their own right. Human immune systems have not encountered these pathogens before because they have jumped species

When they talk about victims developing a strong inflammatory response, that's the immune system *not* the disease, and it's the inflammatory response that tends to create the pneumonia. And the pneumonia is what kills.

Agreed

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeeh agree, with any new novel virus immune system can freak out.....and too much inflammation can kill.

Sky News are now reporting two people are being tested in Scotland for Coronavirus that flew in from Wuhan.

originally posted by: MetalThunder
a reply to: andy06shake

I have read that the pneumonia it causes is immune to antibiotics already .......

Good thing there's high dose IV Vitamin C...