Weird News Story (very strange)

a reply to: M4ngo

Kinda weird, no doubt, but it looks like he only raised about $7k through the go fund me account. Plus, he was only in 2nd grade when she disappeared.

I think he was inspired originally by trying to get the $75,000 reward (may still be, don't know if it's still valid).

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: M4ngo

Kinda weird, no doubt, but it looks like he only raised about $7k through the go fund me account. Plus, he was only in 2nd grade when she disappeared.

I think he was inspired originally by trying to get the $75,000 reward (may still be, don't know if it's still valid).

In the article he claims/the article insinuates that the reward money was of no importance/motivational factor in his obsession.

The article is from 1/18/2020

I may check out the dude’s documentary podcast on this at least learn more about this case and to also see if there’s any red flags.

Odd story indeed.

Can see three main possibilities

1) The FBI conversation never happened and the mother made it up (seem bizzare unethical, unprofessional statements to make).

2) The daughter may have been found alive but is deeply traumatized or similar, the FBI were giving the family a hint they may want to go somewhere secluded to meet up with her in private and spokesperson appointment was so they could spend much needed time together and not have press intruding into grief/a traumatized victim.

3) It's bad news so tragic that they've been advised to go somewhere private to grieve and leave the spokesperson to deal with the press.

Odd the family seem to have actively approached the press with the news, rather than follow the advice of seasoned professionals (but don't know the context/history of the case).

originally posted by: Wildbob77
Third, perhaps they have a confession of a serial killer but no remains and are looking.

IF it was the FBI - first? I would have thought they would have told the mother to shusha and not say anything yet unless it was to a lawyer or spokesman - BUT - with that laying there? Your theory could be spot on - IF she talked to the fbi and they were ready to reveal a serial killer who gave the police intimate details to her daughters death? It would make sense to warn the family...

Edit to add: It's still a bit more fishy than fact to IMO though.

originally posted by: bastion
Odd story indeed.

Can see three main possibilities

1) The FBI conversation never and the mother made it up (seem bizzare unethical, unprofessional statements to make).

2) The daughter may have been found alive but is deeply traumatized or similar, the FBI were giving the family a hint they may want to go somewhere secluded to meet up with her in private and spokesperson appointment was so they could spend much needed time together and not have press intruding into grief/a traumatized victim.

3) It's bad news so tragic that they've been advised to go somewhere private to grieve and leave the spokesperson to deal with the press.

Odd the family seem to have actively approached the press with the news, rather than follow the advice of seasoned professionals (but don't know the context/history of the case).

It’s hard to speculate anything without even knowing if the FBI ever contacted the family and said those things.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MissSmartypants

What, are you suggesting I just made the OP up??? LOL!!

You did see that I cited a MSM source, and others have cited other MSM sources as well, correct?

Every account I've read says that "the mother" says the FBI said...and not that "the FBI" has said. There's a difference. If I state that the FBI has announced something to me...it's not going to be as credible as the FBI announcing something directly to the public.

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MissSmartypants

What, are you suggesting I just made the OP up??? LOL!!

You did see that I cited a MSM source, and others have cited other MSM sources as well, correct?

Every account I've read says that "the mother" says the FBI said...and not that "the FBI" has said. There's a difference

Exactly. Which leads me to believe the FBI, in fact, never said anything.

Does this seriously sound like standard FBI operating procedure? Not to me.

Who exactly in the FBI said it? Which department in the FBI? Which FBI (location)?

Sounds more like a hoax to me, IMO.

What’s worse is that none of the MSM outlets have confirmed the story with the FBI, yet they run the story anyway like it’s fact.

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MissSmartypants

What, are you suggesting I just made the OP up??? LOL!!

You did see that I cited a MSM source, and others have cited other MSM sources as well, correct?

Every account I've read says that "the mother" says the FBI said...and not that "the FBI" has said. There's a difference

Exactly. Which leads me to believe the FBI, in fact, never said anything.

Does this seriously sound like standard FBI operating procedure? Not to me.

Who exactly in the FBI said it? Which department in the FBI? Which FBI (location)?

Sounds more like a hoax to me, IMO.

What’s worse is that none of the MSM outlets have confirmed the story with the FBI, yet they run the story anyway like it’s fact.

Thank you. Everything about it just sounds wrong. Your average cop show on TV would have a more credible sounding story line.

I'm well into reading up on the case here. So far, Paul Flores does seem like the No.1 suspect.

I'm also intrigued by the fact that Paul called his father that night, and that Paul's mother had made the off-hand remark that the father had exited the house like a bat out of hell right after the phone call. Later, it was reported that they had poured some cement in the back yard. Both Paul's and Kristin's dorm rooms were ordered to be cleaned, and the stolen golf cart belonging to the University was ordered to be cleaned as well. The manager had taken over the task himself and started soaping the thing. Even though other students claim they took the cart, I can't help but see a picture here mentioned in the link about the school trying to protect its reputation.

- Paul was drunk and followed Kristin home that night. The day after, he has a black eye and scrape marks on his knees. He changes the stories for why he got them.

- Paul's father races out the door that night and pours concrete in his yard at a later date.

- The university police seem sloppy and somewhat uncooperative.

Lots of details though, and I still have more to read, but so far I'm leaning towards Paul being not so innocent and his father covering for him.


Edit

Reading on.

"Even though Paul’s room had been sanitized by the dorm cleaning crews, cadaver dogs were taken to Santa Lucia Hall. Dog handlers were not told specifics of the case and escorted their dogs through the dormitory, one at a time. Each of the dogs independently alerted at the door of room number 128, the dorm room belonging to Paul Flores. They alerted, by barking and scratching. “She about broke her neck,” is how one handler described her dog’s alert on room #128. Once inside, each dog alerted independently at three specific areas: the edge of a bed where Paul slept, a wastepaper basket, and the telephone.

HARD FACT: police cadaver dogs each alerted independently on the scent of human remains in the room belonging to Paul Flores."

Hmm.

a reply to: Skeletonized

That's what's really strange about the whole thing. Everything about Flores sounds guilty, so why would the media be running with stories that the FBI would tell the parents that the outcome would NOT be what they expected and they might consider getting a spokesperson or leaving town for a short while?

a reply to: Riffrafter

Good points.

Based on your knowledge of this - what are your thoughts?

It really is *strange* to say the least...n'est pas?

My first thought was that her disappearance was part of a sex trafficking investigation.

I'm not sure what to make of the whole thing, as Paul Flores sounds guilty as they come, but obviously there's a surprise element in there somewhere. I don't know what it is.

a reply to: Deetermined

I thought the information came from the FBI. If it came from the media there's a good chance it is fake news.

Found this interesting.

Four Women Say the Man Suspected of Murdering a College Student Sexually Assaulted Them

a reply to: Deetermined

Agreed.

For some reason I'm thinking of Missing 411. Judging from the cluster map, there looks to be one in the Los Padres National Forest which stretches past San Luis Obispo. Maybe they found some bones? Highly unlikely, I know.

originally posted by: Skeletonized
I'm well into reading up on the case here. So far, Paul Flores does seem like the No.1 suspect.

I'm also intrigued by the fact that Paul called his father that night, and that Paul's mother had made the off-hand remark that the father had exited the house like a bat out of hell right after the phone call. Later, it was reported that they had poured some cement in the back yard. Both Paul's and Kristin's dorm rooms were ordered to be cleaned, and the stolen golf cart belonging to the University was ordered to be cleaned as well. The manager had taken over the task himself and started soaping the thing. Even though other students claim they took the cart, I can't help but see a picture here mentioned in the link about the school trying to protect its reputation.

- Paul was drunk and followed Kristin home that night. The day after, he has a black eye and scrape marks on his knees. He changes the stories for why he got them.

- Paul's father races out the door that night and pours concrete in his yard at a later date.

- The university police seem sloppy and somewhat uncooperative.

Lots of details though, and I still have more to read, but so far I'm leaning towards Paul being not so innocent and his father covering for him.


Edit

Reading on.

"Even though Paul’s room had been sanitized by the dorm cleaning crews, cadaver dogs were taken to Santa Lucia Hall. Dog handlers were not told specifics of the case and escorted their dogs through the dormitory, one at a time. Each of the dogs independently alerted at the door of room number 128, the dorm room belonging to Paul Flores. They alerted, by barking and scratching. “She about broke her neck,” is how one handler described her dog’s alert on room #128. Once inside, each dog alerted independently at three specific areas: the edge of a bed where Paul slept, a wastepaper basket, and the telephone.

HARD FACT: police cadaver dogs each alerted independently on the scent of human remains in the room belonging to Paul Flores."

Hmm.

Thanks for the run down. I have the link saved. Does it specify when exactly Paul’s father poured concrete in his back yard? The same night? Same week?

And what does “human remains” suppose to mean? Without more details we can’t really make any sound conclusions with the cadaver dogs. If all they picked up as human scent then there’s nothing remarkable about that, considering it wouldn’t be unexpected for Kristin’s scent to be in Paul’s dorm room.

a reply to: M4ngo

It does. This was at one of their homes, which was used as a rental at the time I believe.


"Concrete was poured behind the East Branch St. home two days after Kristin disappeared, and before Paul Flores was considered a person of interest. Once again, moving at the speed of light, the police obtained a search warrant to search a home on East Branch Street in Arroyo Grande belonging to the Flores family.

Why this search took four years is a still a mystery. No tip came in at that time which would suddenly prompt a search at the East Branch Street location, and the evidence police used to obtain the warrant was available within days after Kristin disappeared. Was this just another contrived search to ensure that nothing substantial would be revealed?

The yard was never excavated, because according to the Sheriff’s Department, the warrant was too narrowly written to allow for them to dig up the yard. Retired FBI agent, Jack Schafer, who wrote the search warrant, had extensive experience doing so for the FBI. Schafer strongly disagreed explaining, “The first warrant authorized a dig. I know this because I provided most of the information for the warrant. I forced the warrant on a skeptical police force. I was told that the officers present did not want to pay to have the concrete repaired if the search turned up nothing. That was a lost opportunity.”



Edit:


I want to add another tidbit.

"November 14, 1997 – James Murphy, attorney for the Smart family filed a wrongful death suit against Paul Flores. On 11/14/97, approximately eighteen months after Kristin vanished, a deposition was held. Midway through the deposition, the opposing parties took a break. Kristin’s mother, Denise Smart, was overcome with grief and found a vacant conference room in which to sob openly. After finding a place to be alone, she began to weep uncontrollably. The harsh realization that her daughter was indeed gone forever enveloped her soul.

Paul’s father, Ruben Flores, followed her and opened the door to the conference room where Denise was sobbing. Ruben Flores stared at her for a moment, smiled, and he began to laugh, before walking out of the conference room."


Is this for real? If it talks like a coverup, and walks as a coverup...

originally posted by: Skeletonized
a reply to: M4ngo

It does. This was at one of their homes, which was used as a rental at the time I believe.


"Concrete was poured behind the East Branch St. home two days after Kristin disappeared, and before Paul Flores was considered a person of interest. Once again, moving at the speed of light, the police obtained a search warrant to search a home on East Branch Street in Arroyo Grande belonging to the Flores family.

Why this search took four years is a still a mystery. No tip came in at that time which would suddenly prompt a search at the East Branch Street location, and the evidence police used to obtain the warrant was available within days after Kristin disappeared. Was this just another contrived search to ensure that nothing substantial would be revealed?

The yard was never excavated, because according to the Sheriff’s Department, the warrant was too narrowly written to allow for them to dig up the yard. Retired FBI agent, Jack Schafer, who wrote the search warrant, had extensive experience doing so for the FBI. Schafer strongly disagreed explaining, “The first warrant authorized a dig. I know this because I provided most of the information for the warrant. I forced the warrant on a skeptical police force. I was told that the officers present did not want to pay to have the concrete repaired if the search turned up nothing. That was a lost opportunity.”



Edit:


I want to add another tidbit.

"November 14, 1997 – James Murphy, attorney for the Smart family filed a wrongful death suit against Paul Flores. On 11/14/97, approximately eighteen months after Kristin vanished, a deposition was held. Midway through the deposition, the opposing parties took a break. Kristin’s mother, Denise Smart, was overcome with grief and found a vacant conference room in which to sob openly. After finding a place to be alone, she began to weep uncontrollably. The harsh realization that her daughter was indeed gone forever enveloped her soul.

Paul’s father, Ruben Flores, followed her and opened the door to the conference room where Denise was sobbing. Ruben Flores stared at her for a moment, smiled, and he began to laugh, before walking out of the conference room."


Is this for real? If it talks like a coverup, and walks as a coverup...

Wow. Very interesting. Could this new news (if legit) maybe have something to do with digging up behind that house? Why not get another search warrant and do the dig now, if not? Sounds suspicious. What was the concrete for?

This articles shows that several women have come forward against Paul Flores

www.thedailybeast.com...

An interesting note on Flores he was offered a plea deal shortly after the disappearance of smart by a grand jury of pleading guilty to manslaughter and leading authorities to the body in return he would be getting a max of 6 years of jail time.

That is a fairly sweet heart deal for an accused kidnapper and murderer in such a high profile case.

He was also accused of rape multiple times with no charges being pursued.

As of today the only criminal record Flores possesses is 3 Duis with a minor jail sentence for one of them.

source

a reply to: M4ngo

It was for a detached garage according to a contractor who contacted through KristinSmart.com. He said there could not be a body under there. Apparently, I also missed a section which said that a cadaver dog had reacted in the top left corner of the property, but that they never dug there to check. I'll try and find it. Interesting read though, and I advise anyone who has the time to wade through it. I'm left with the impression of highly corrupt authorities.