Time to Care

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I just think we could curb the Monopoly a bit and not funnel all Earth's resources into a few private hands giving them all the power.

I do agree with this to a certain extent.
I don't like companies like Nestle buying all the clean water, or private companies trying to covet the beaches.

a reply to: Ahabstar

You might not be aware of this alternative universe, but many family members care for their loved ones cuz... forget it. I wont explain the concept of love to a droid.



The question should be "does it add value, does it make you happy?". But I can't see us even having that discussion anytime soon in a thread like this, so how do we get there? Any suggestions?

If everyone in the US was given 1 million dollars we would end up right back where we started I assure you. I bet it wouldn't even take that long. Orgy of spending, wasting money for a little while then reality would set in that it had no impact on anything overall. Things would probably get ultimately worse. More drug addicts, more obesity, more uneducated and of course even more poverty.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

No one in their right mind would want full on socialism? I guess you don't pay attention to left politics.

All that yapping and didn't refute a single thing I said. Put up your own stats, videos, etc.

I am very willing to have my mind changed with FACTS, DATA, and LOGIC.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
If everyone in the US was given 1 million dollars we would end up right back where we started I assure you. I bet it wouldn't even take that long. Orgy of spending, wasting money for a little while then reality would set in that it had no impact on anything overall. Things would probably get ultimately worse. More drug addicts, more obesity, more uneducated and of course even more poverty.

It's actually worse than that, the value of the dollar would drop and inflation would destroy the world economy.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

I can be a little snarky...

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

He's not right, he said the poor in America drive cars which isn't true. Then he said the homeless are druggies to further justify his position, then claimed statistics and proof without a single source.

He's like "99.9% of all ppl" which is bs and there is no source to back it up.

Then, when I call it out as bs, it's because of my life choices? No, I disagreed because he's presenting his opinion as a fact when in reality he's technically wrong on many counts.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

I can be a little snarky...

When you have facts, data, and logic to back your snarkiness...you are not snarking nor ego stroking!

originally posted by: Edumakated

Almost every one in the US has running water, electricity, clothing, food, refrigeration, indoor toilets, etc. Yes, there are some examples where someone may not have those things but 99.9% of people in the US do...

Ok prove its 99.9% since you claimed it.

You said

I am very willing to have my mind changed with FACTS, DATA, and LOGIC.

But yet you present no facts or data and essentially invented fake statistics to back your "logic" which is clearly flawed as all it's supporting facts were invented pretty much on the spot today by you.

There's no source backing that 99.9% bs. You and I know it.

Yet you think I ought to take you seriously when you're so clearly bias with the abuse of statistics and half truths?

Admit it, you just made that # up cuz you "feel like it's that high".

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

I can be a little snarky...

When you have facts, data, and logic to back your snarkiness...you are not snarking nor ego stroking!

Read my post above.

Help him prove his fact about 99.9%.

Dig up any source.

Reality is that you're used to accepting a view that agrees with your view, rather than properly questioning it honestly. That's why you'd accept abuse of statistics (in this case a completely unfactual made-up fake statistic designed to bolster a weak argument).

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

He's not right, he said the poor in America drive cars which isn't true. Then he said the homeless are druggies to further justify his position, then claimed statistics and proof without a single source.

He's like "99.9% of all ppl" which is bs and there is no source to back it up.

Then, when I call it out as bs, it's because of my life choices? No, I disagreed because he's presenting his opinion as a fact when in reality he's technically wrong on many counts.

I was poor and homeless, but had an old vehicle. Many did even the family of 8 who lived in an army tent in the middle of a snow blizzard. Some didnt have vehicle but they always had a ride from others.

So I will ask have you ever been homeless? Those without mental issues, those that are 'poor' are not poor victims who cannot climb out of the cycle. Way too many opportunities that manipulators dissuade you from and try to lock you into their socialistic prison to keep you in place.

They don't need handouts...they need hand ups to succeed.

Edit add: it wasn't socialistic government helping those poverty stricken folks. It was private charities doing so of their own free will. Not handing out money, but actually providing tents, food, and yes, some donated vehicles.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

I can be a little snarky...

When you have facts, data, and logic to back your snarkiness...you are not snarking nor ego stroking!

Also I need to add that even if one of us were master of all facts and the harbinger of all truth, it doesn't justify being an arrogant self centered prick that looks down on everyone.

That's bad form and really a result of insecurities.

a reply to: CynConcepts

When you have facts, data, and logic to back your snarkiness...you are not snarking nor ego stroking!

You guys know where you're at?

He had none of that, ever, nor did he provide any in this very thread. At this point it's just the usual edu_drivel, but I'll take anything that bumps the thread and makes muzzle's point. This is how this works, welcome to the internetz!

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: muzzleflash

I just think we could curb the Monopoly a bit and not funnel all Earth's resources into a few private hands giving them all the power.

I do agree with this to a certain extent.
I don't like companies like Nestle buying all the clean water, or private companies trying to covet the beaches.

That's why monopolies should be broken up.

If there is an issue currently - that is it.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I worked and earned barley over minimum wage most of my life. Hasn't stopped me from buying and paying off my own home. So what if I didnt buy a new car every other year, ain't nothing wrong with the 2 I have been driving the last 15 years.


They use to teach kids in school the value of money, atleast my grade school did. Might have helped that my parents also taught me at a young age if I couldnt save up and buy something i didn't need it.


The kids these days I dont believe have been taught the same. It's a different world now with all the debt. Glad I never fell for the debt con.

a reply to: muzzleflash

*giggles*

Also I need to add that even if one of us were master of all facts and the harbinger of all truth, it doesn't justify being an arrogant self centered prick that looks down on everyone.

To be fair, I don't look down on everyone.

And most of the time it's really just a somewhat unlucky combination of size and footwear.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muzzleflash

Why do you care so much? Have they personally interfered with your lives?

Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you ...

22,000 children's die a day from poverty, but as long as its not affecting you personally...

No, 22,000 children die from things that occurred while they were impoverished... big difference. If someone is poor but killed by a dictator, it wasn't the poverty that killed them.

Most of the developed world - US in particular, really has no true poverty. No one in the US is living in tin huts, favelas, distended bellies, lacks running water, electricity, etc.

Poor in America means you drive a 20 year old car and may have an Iphone 6.

The OP mentions the world not just the US.

If you die from malnutrition, dirty drinking water, lack of medical care etc, and these things are caused by poverty, then yes poverty very much is responsible.

Many of those people are in poverty because of failed political systems. Dictators, wars, cultural issues, etc. It has nothing to do with that Bill Gates has $100 billion. Of course, it is ironic because he is actually a huge contributor to helping many of those impoverished countries.

Individuals Gates or any billionaire isn't responsible, and Gates has probably done more than most to alleviate poverty.

Criticising the system that generates such massive wealth disparity isn't the same as criticising the individuals that benefit.

Why would you criticize a system that allows people to earn a ton of wealth that they can then give away?

Socialism has people standing in line for bread....

Capitalism has bread waiting for people....

It's not black and white.

No one in their right mind would want pure socialism, it always turns to despotism in extreme forms.

If anyone disagrees with you it seems you immediately turn it into straw man arguments, deflect with half truths, ignoring any part you made mistakes and try to shift the debate so you'll always see your own ideas as Golden when in reality you keep making errors.

You even acted like you were the Master of statistics when in reality that's the biggest abuse of statistics is to claim your supremacy in their use always promoting (coincidentally) your point of view.

There's simply no way to argue with someone like this, it's a huge waste of time because you were convinced you're right and know it all before the debate even began and the debate is little more than a tool to stroke the ego.

If I'm going to pointlessly waste my time achieving nothing I'd prefer better forms of entertainment, thanks.

I completely disagree with you. My reasoning is my Edit add on this post that you may have missed.

I must admit I don't always agree with Edumacated, but dang...he is right. I would definitely say I have never seen in any of his posts ego stroking. If you think so, perhaps you should reconsider and contemplate your life choices that have created the life you obviously despise.

He's not right, he said the poor in America drive cars which isn't true. Then he said the homeless are druggies to further justify his position, then claimed statistics and proof without a single source.

He's like "99.9% of all ppl" which is bs and there is no source to back it up.

Then, when I call it out as bs, it's because of my life choices? No, I disagreed because he's presenting his opinion as a fact when in reality he's technically wrong on many counts.

I was poor and homeless, but had an old vehicle. Many did even the family of 8 who lived in an army tent in the middle of a snow blizzard. Some didnt have vehicle but they always had a ride from others.

So I will ask have you ever been homeless? Those without mental issues, those that are 'poor' are not poor victims who cannot climb out of the cycle. Way too many opportunities that manipulators dissuade you from and try to lock you into their socialistic prison to keep you in place.

They don't need handouts...they need hand ups to succeed.

I'm not arguing "for handouts", I already said like 5 times in this thread I'm against the failure known as socialism.

I'm arguing that the wealth disparity has grown too great for even me to stomach and that y'all are blowing it off as a non-issue and labelling any naysayer as a commie just to avoid actually appraising or analyzing the problem in any productive way.

It turns into partisan political bs every time on here anyone disagrees.

The TV has taught ppl mud slinging and how to present bs as fact without any valid sources. People are good at the bs but you have to eventually see thru the games, no bs can stand forever the truth always prevails.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Oh it isn’t the only question. You can make a ton of money as a hitman. But I doubt you would be happy in your work. And there are some other serious downsides.