US Medical Personnel Shortage

There is absolutely a medical personnel shortage in the US. Not enough nurses and doctors to care for people in the current state. They are basically being imported from other countries because it's that bad and it's still not enough.

If I were a top tier news reporter or debate moderator this would be one of the apex questions I would ask Democrats. Apparently we also have a shortage of quality news reporters because nobody is asking that even if they we had the coin, how are they going to get enough medical staff to support it. It's not going to happen. People will be put on wait list for care for a long time.

They can promise everyone a Toyota Corolla but Toyota only has enough capacity to make X amount of cars. It will take time to ramp up factories and production so that everyone promised a car gets one. This takes time. With cars, it's not that hard, but with skilled medical staff it takes years if not decades.

All these pipe dreams about this and that for all for healthcare is not possible. It would take decades because we are not talking cars. We are talking about skilled positions that takes years and years of training. It's not possible. Many will be waiting in line for services that they never receive.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

It's hard to get more doctors and nurses when no one can afford to go to college.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Yeah, not just doctors and nurses, but Home Health Aides as well.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

It is the same in most Western countries and it is by design.

The plans to create the shortage have been in play for a long time.

Now the plans are reaching public awareness ... but it may be too late.

The damage is done. All of the doctors and nurses that are also boomers are retiring.

This has been in play for decades.

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originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

It's hard to get more doctors and nurses when no one can afford to go to college.

College is free already. Join the Reserves. Coast Guard, National Guard. Not only is it free but it's only one weekend a month to include medical care, paycheck and a job skill. It's utter nonsense. Oh, and the chance of getting killed is lower than dying on an airline flight.

The US already has free college for the many. They don't want that. They want to do absolutely nothing and that is morally wrong.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

It's hard to get more doctors and nurses when no one can afford to go to college.

And then compound the fact that we have such high obesity rates which lead to preventable diseases... And the low rate of people with good insurance, so they don't do check ups to nip things in the bud.

People go when it's too late... Then it requires a lot of attention.

We're stumbling down a slippery slope, and I have yet to hear anyone with a solution that I think would be positive for a vast majority.

The AMA keeps supply of Doctors low to protect their incomes.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

But you must know it's not as easy as "join the reserves, get free college". There are maximum amounts, and it's based on how many hours/years you put in. These options would never pay a doctor/nurses tuition.

They would pay for it if you were becoming a doctor for the military, but that doesnt help the civilian masses suffering through the shortage.

It's just not that simple.

Not to mention abuse of healthcare workers, be it through patient abuse, or abuses of healthcare workers time, etc. is rampant and gets worse as time goes on. It takes selfless people to become nurses especially, and we haven't reakly raised a generation of selfless people for a while.

So your saying 120 million people should join a military origination for free collage and heath care wow lol .
you do realize our military as around 1 million people and even if you uped it to 20 million your still 100 million short .
The true reason The US no longer needs a draft is because they already have 10 times the volunteers needed .
to get in now you just about need a basic collage education before they will even take you .
And even the smallest thing means a no thanks .
we are not at war and now a days Military is well know as a easy way for all that out of the million who want to join the military has room for a few 100 k new guys a year .
So no military is not the answer for education nore heath care .
besides there health care is known to be substandard

a reply to: Stupidsecrets


One reason is because there are so many colleges offering so many garbage degrees with promises of a grand future.

Another reason is that it’s a real bitch to be a doctor today. My family doctor has been seriously thinking about quitting because of all the hoops he needs to jump through every day.
Government regulations.
Hospital administrators.

Nurses can get their degrees easier but they are then asked to work 12 hour days and night shifts for their whole career.
It’s not the easiest lifestyle.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Stupidsecrets


One reason is because there are so many colleges offering so many garbage degrees with promises of a grand future.

Another reason is that it’s a real bitch to be a doctor today. My family doctor has been seriously thinking about quitting because of all the hoops he needs to jump through every day.
Government regulations.
Hospital administrators.

Nurses can get their degrees easier but they are then asked to work 12 hour days and night shifts for their whole career.
It’s not the easiest lifestyle.

There are far easier ways to make money than becoming a doctor. Most doctors now are foreign (indian and asian) because culturally they think being a Doctor conveys prestige.

originally posted by: midnightstar
So your saying 120 million people should join a military origination for free collage and heath care wow lol .

You are misrepresenting the issue. Do we need 120 million doctors? That's the subject here. The fact is that if you are on the "doctor track" and are any good at all, there's no reason you can't get your med school paid for. No, that doesn't count for English majors. You want to learn your own language, you're on your own. The government should NOT have to pay for your "Women's Studies" major. And from what I have seen of the quality of most college graduates, it's a waste of money. Go into the trades with a paid apprenticeship so you can wind up doing something useful.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

But you must know it's not as easy as "join the reserves, get free college". There are maximum amounts, and it's based on how many hours/years you put in. These options would never pay a doctor/nurses tuition.

They would pay for it if you were becoming a doctor for the military, but that doesnt help the civilian masses suffering through the shortage.

It's just not that simple.

Not to mention abuse of healthcare workers, be it through patient abuse, or abuses of healthcare workers time, etc. is rampant and gets worse as time goes on. It takes selfless people to become nurses especially, and we haven't reakly raised a generation of selfless people for a while.

I spent a lifetime in the Reserves. How much did you spend because what you are saying is absolutely not true. They would pay for a doctor, nurse , law school. There is an obligation that must be met first though, that part is true but that is how life works.

You EARN something YOURSELF then reap the rewards of something you EARNED. One does not make demands on society for something they did not EARN then beat their chest making more demands. Maybe in your amusement park funny mirror attraction that's how it works but outside of that fun park NO. You have to earn it yourself.

Thirty eight percent of people will have cancer in their lifetime now. I remember when cancer was pretty rare, but most people who had it take hold died from it. Now the percentage of people who die from it is way less, but since the incidents are way higher, more people die now from cancer than they did back in the sixties.

We need to identify the chemicals that are causing people's immune system to not detect the cancer when it first forms, not get more medical people. Now they say that many sunscreens and cosmetics increase the risk of ER+ Breast cancer. It will be many years before the problem gets fixed and these chemicals are banned in this country, and many billions of money going to the Medical and pharmaceutical industry.
www.sciencedaily.com...

Not only that, it seems that it can cause skin cancer too.
www.health.harvard.edu...

Then you need extra people to do the big increase of paperwork the government requires.
scitechdaily.com...

We need to find out what can be taken out of foods to make us not need doctors.

Offer an Online Course...attatch it to a sizable monetary bursary and make it available to everyone on Welfare or Social Programs without cutting back their benefits or screwing them some other way...you will have thousands of qualified people in 6 months.....get what I am saying?..enable and reward the MOTIVATED PEOPLE ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND LEAVE THE LAZY ONES ALONE don't waste energy on the lazy people who don't want to move and shake.....this is an easy issue to solve because Training and Certification can be done distance learning style online now....another olde school MIDDLEMAN is removed by the Internet and free data exchange....anyone can learn many of todays jobs WITHOUT 2-15 YEARS OF POST SECONDARY EDUCATION....anyone with or without a High School Diploma.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Thirty eight percent of people will have cancer in their lifetime now. I remember when cancer was pretty rare, but most people who had it take hold died from it. Now the percentage of people who die from it is way less, but since the incidents are way higher, more people die now from cancer than they did back in the sixties.

We need to identify the chemicals that are causing people's immune system to not detect the cancer when it first forms, not get more medical people. Now they say that many sunscreens and cosmetics increase the risk of ER+ Breast cancer. It will be many years before the problem gets fixed and these chemicals are banned in this country, and many billions of money going to the Medical and pharmaceutical industry.
www.sciencedaily.com...

Not only that, it seems that it can cause skin cancer too.
www.health.harvard.edu...

Then you need extra people to do the big increase of paperwork the government requires.
scitechdaily.com...

We need to find out what can be taken out of foods to make us not need doctors.

People are living longer which probably increases the likelihood of getting cancer. A big issue with our health system now is that it is keeping people alive way longer than in the past. Almost all the costs with our health care system are at end of life. Basically, granny has a stroke, diabetes, cancer, etc and drugs / tech is able to keep them living when 50 years ago, they would have been dead. All that tech cost a ton of money. In addition, the actuarial tables really don't account for people living so much longer when it comes to things like social security and pensions hence why they are so broke.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Thirty eight percent of people will have cancer in their lifetime now. I remember when cancer was pretty rare, but most people who had it take hold died from it. Now the percentage of people who die from it is way less, but since the incidents are way higher, more people die now from cancer than they did back in the sixties.

We need to identify the chemicals that are causing people's immune system to not detect the cancer when it first forms, not get more medical people. Now they say that many sunscreens and cosmetics increase the risk of ER+ Breast cancer. It will be many years before the problem gets fixed and these chemicals are banned in this country, and many billions of money going to the Medical and pharmaceutical industry.
www.sciencedaily.com...

Not only that, it seems that it can cause skin cancer too.
www.health.harvard.edu...

Then you need extra people to do the big increase of paperwork the government requires.
scitechdaily.com...

We need to find out what can be taken out of foods to make us not need doctors.

Read Hulda Clarks work.I did.Then Royal Rifes work>millions of people are very close to the right track today.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: rickymouse
Thirty eight percent of people will have cancer in their lifetime now. I remember when cancer was pretty rare, but most people who had it take hold died from it. Now the percentage of people who die from it is way less, but since the incidents are way higher, more people die now from cancer than they did back in the sixties.

We need to identify the chemicals that are causing people's immune system to not detect the cancer when it first forms, not get more medical people. Now they say that many sunscreens and cosmetics increase the risk of ER+ Breast cancer. It will be many years before the problem gets fixed and these chemicals are banned in this country, and many billions of money going to the Medical and pharmaceutical industry.
www.sciencedaily.com...





Not only that, it seems that it can cause skin cancer too.
www.health.harvard.edu...

Then you need extra people to do the big increase of paperwork the government requires.
scitechdaily.com...

We need to find out what can be taken out of foods to make us not need doctors.

People are living longer which probably increases the likelihood of getting cancer. A big issue with our health system now is that it is keeping people alive way longer than in the past. Almost all the costs with our health care system are at end of life. Basically, granny has a stroke, diabetes, cancer, etc and drugs / tech is able to keep them living when 50 years ago, they would have been dead. All that tech cost a ton of money. In addition, the actuarial tables really don't account for people living so much longer when it comes to things like social security and pensions hence why they are so broke.

I have been alive a long time now, I know that people are not living much longer these days, the way they get that information is deceiving. Mostly because lots more babies live, that makes the average age look higher.

People believe the propaganda the medical and pharmaceutical companies put out. Go to an old cemetary and look at tombstones. Compare it to events in the area that took lives. There are a lot of young kids in cemetaries and lots of people in their seventies and eighties. The biggest reasons for women dying a hundred fifty years ago was childbirth and catching on fire snoozing next to open fireplaces. No flame retardant in the clothes.

Lots of farmers died farming, that is a dangerous job, lots of people got poisoned or killed at work from poor work conditions. The life expectancy of my daughter is less than mine now according to research I saw. The food is getting worse and worse and environmental factors are worse too. Lots of people live to ninety living in Nursing homes now, unable to think or take care of themselves. There were not many nursing homes eighty years ago, there was less dementia back then too. Hell, kidney stones are way up since the sixties too, evidently people did not get the memo that too much oxylates can cause kidney stones so they tell people that these oxylate foods are good for you.

a reply to: rickymouse

Hand in hand with your thoughts is this.... you don't need to raise your heartrate or exercise to lose weight...not at all....and you can eat more by volume....liken a car with a full gas tank to a human with a huge belly.....if you want to burn off the gas in the tank faster than normal do you have to drive the car @ 110 MPH?.....or can you just step on the gas and increase the idle levels.?,,,,,,,its the same way with extra weight our bodies carry....you don't have to move the body @110MPH to lose that extra weight....you simply need to step on the gas and increase the idle speed.

No very hard regular exercise is NOT GOOD FOR YOU....no forcing your heart to grow 35-45% bigger than your genetic template intended it to be by punishing and scarring it to accomplish this regressive goal......is NOT A GOOD THING.

Human were never designed to run around with increased heart rates and adrenaline pumping through their bodies....chasing Deer and Gazelles.....lol.....Humans are opportunistic organised Omnivorous Grazers....the only running we were ever designed to do was RUNNING AWAY from Life threatening DANGER.

a reply to: rickymouse
Though what you are saying is definitely true about the statistics, it also makes his point some what stronger. All of the extra medical expenses will add maybe a month or two, meaning that we could make the assumption that the expenses to gain those extra months are astronomical.

Surely it is a gruesome question to ask, but how much would a person be willing to pay to live an extra day (or month or year)?

Is an extra month in the hospital clinging to life worth $2k a day?

These are the questions that nobody really wants to answer, especially when they are making these choices for a loved one.