**BAFTA's** and the same old complaints Get over it!!

The nominations for the BAFTA film awards 2020 are out and wouldn't you guess.....

Its being criticised for the lack of diversity and being too white, and not enough

female producers/directors.

Surely its business and therefor based on what people are prepared to pay to

watch?

Joker leads the Bafta film nominations with 11, but there is criticism that the acting nominees are all white.
Joker is followed by Martin Scorsese's The Irishman and Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon A Time... In Hollywood, which have 10 nominations each.

Scarlett Johansson and Margot Robbie are up for two acting awards each.

But no female directors were nominated for the seventh year in a row. Bafta boss Amanda Berry said she was "very disappointed" by the lack of diversity.
But there is no room for Little Women film-maker Greta Gerwig - or any other women - in the best director category.

Acting categories 'very white'

Told on BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the acting list "seems very white", Bafta CEO Berry replied: "I'm going to totally agree with you. That's how I felt when I first saw the list.
"This isn't being disrespectful to anybody who has been nominated because it's an incredibly strong list this year.

www.bbc.co.uk...



Long story short........
When I was working I worked for a company selling feminine products and

consisted of mainly female representatives, (approx 15) The company was

taken over by a brand leader 'blue chip' company with an all male sales force.
(around 100)


Now within a year I was the only woman left in the sales force, and although

after that first year my salary was doubled I always had a sneaky feeling that

I still wasn't paid at the same rate as my male collegue's.

I am very competative (like no one gets the better of me ) In fact the sales

manager once said he admired how I held my own, and that he knew I had to

work harder to be equal.


So getting back to what I am trying to say. Why does one have to make

consessions on colour, sex, religion, race etc.


Lifes NOT fair Get over it and if you can't stand the heat *get out of the kitchen*

Thats it... All white people to the fake tanning rooms, and get your back, crack and sack wax pronto... And hide your doodles between your legs, and grow some tits, you morons.

That should fix things. Browner white people with hidden genitalia and buxom cleavage. Hell, the joker should have been a feminine transgender black dude with a lisp.

"Why tho theriouth!"

I know, different movie, but Heath Ledger was an anti war lefty anyway and should have drank more soy lattes..

a reply to: eletheia

Nobody complains that the nba is 95% black players.
Nobody complains that female models get paid more than males.
Women don’t complain that the majority of on the job deaths are men.

Ever see a woman crying in a factory until she gets put on an easier machine? I have.

I don’t know about everyone else but I would rather see no black actors up for an award than to see movies like black panther getting best picture Oscar nominations in an obvious ploy to pander to a demographic.

This is what it boils down to should Eddie Murphy in “Dolomite is my name” beat Joaquin Phoenix in “Joker”?
If I say I prefer Joaquin Phoenix am I racist?

a reply to: eletheia

a reply to: Bluntone22

White male altheletes and models were never historically opressed. Yes.. black panther doesn't really deserve an award, but i don't get why white people refuse to acknowledge the large history or racism across media and other platforms like the legal system.

While the notion of white privilege can go too extreme, it still does not not discount how minorities were treated unfairly and how it may still effect them today.

a reply to: eletheia

To be fair, IMO, the irishman and Hollywood were uninteresting and overly long. Both had good actors and directors but uninspired and boring plots.

Also, life is not fair and we should work to make it more fair. Not just accept sexism or racism...

a reply to: blueman12

Yeah nobody is denying racism and sexism throughout history.
Also nobody has a problem with fair but that’s not what’s happening

Men get treated much more harshly in court than women.
Ask any man that’s been in family court.
Whites and Asians are held to higher standards for college admissions too.
Look at the Harvard lawsuit.

The point is that past indiscretions are not fixed by preferential treatment today.

a reply to: blueman12

You don't "acknowledge" racism by giving substandard works awards because the people in them are black!

WTF are you thinking?! That makes it worse, not better.

You are basically saying that they cannot achieve at the level of the white folks, so you're awarding them a "Thanks for Playing; We Feel Bad for You" prize. It doesn't "fix" anything.

And yes, we know they were oppressed in the past. No one denies it.

You fix things by treating them like everyone else.

**EDIT**

No ... NO. I am not done. Let's take this ball into the sports court. What you're suggesting would be like saying NBA teams have to equalize with white men who cannot jump and then there need to be 2 goals, and one of them is about 6" shorter and that's the "white" goal for the white players, and they get recognized just like everyone else even though they shoot at a shorter hoop. Oh, and their free throw line can be several inches closer along with their 3-point arc.

And in football, instead of actually having to full-on tackle ... white folks can play flag ball in stead, but only the white folks can pull off the flag belt. But hey, any "tackle" they make is counted exactly like a full tackle, so a white guy can be leading tackler at the end of the year!

And in sprinting on the track, we can handicap the race so the white guys get their times equalized to make it fair ...

Because this is what you're suggesting as to how we end oppression for blacks in the arts.

I always believed that the awards should go to the best candidate. Too bad so many racist people are intent on picking people based upon skin color.

So is the Hong Kong Film Awards a brown wash?

originally posted by: blueman12

White male altheletes and models were never historically opressed.

But were they oppressed? OR did they not try hard enough because it needed

perserverance and hard work.

Yes.. black panther doesn't really deserve an award, but i don't get why white people refuse to acknowledge the large history or racism across media and other platforms like the legal system.

White people dont refuse to acknowledge it!! The past is just that, the past.

And IF it is to be an equal society everybody starts from the same starting

line, which means one achieve's on their own merits and can't put failure

down to anything like "It was because of my colour"

While the notion of white privilege can go too extreme, it still does not not discount how minorities were treated unfairly and how it may still effect them today.

As I said before comparing *then* with *now* is like comparing apples with

oranges !!!!

If there are winners there have to be losers? Thats life


White people know they weren't good enough to win?

Black people don't acknowledge ^^that^^ they blame their colour?

originally posted by: Athetos
This is what it boils down to should Eddie Murphy in “Dolomite is my name” beat Joaquin Phoenix in “Joker”?
If I say I prefer Joaquin Phoenix am I racist?

I put that down to 'personal preferance' many others shout *racist*

originally posted by: ketsuko
You don't "acknowledge" racism by giving substandard works awards because the people in them are black!

WTF are you thinking?! That makes it worse, not better.
You are basically saying that they cannot achieve at the level of the white folks, so you're awarding them a "Thanks for Playing; We Feel Bad for You" prize. It doesn't "fix" anything.
And yes, we know they were oppressed in the past. No one denies it.
You fix things by treating them like everyone else.

**EDIT**

No ... NO. I am not done. Let's take this ball into the sports court. What you're suggesting would be like saying NBA teams have to equalize with white men who cannot jump and then there need to be 2 goals, and one of them is about 6" shorter and that's the "white" goal for the white players, and they get recognized just like everyone else even though they shoot at a shorter hoop. Oh, and their free throw line can be several inches closer along with their 3-point arc.

And in football, instead of actually having to full-on tackle ... white folks can play flag ball in stead, but only the white folks can pull off the flag belt. But hey, any "tackle" they make is counted exactly like a full tackle, so a white guy can be leading tackler at the end of the year!
And in sprinting on the track, we can handicap the race so the white guys get their times equalized to make it fair ...
Because this is what you're suggesting as to how we end oppression for blacks in the arts.

Quoted your whole post for truth and excellence

Said exactly what I meant ....... and better than me!!

a reply to: eletheia

My wife works in a male dominated industry (cutting, grinding, abrasives) as a sales rep.

She was treated differently. Engineers and technicians would refuse to listen to her advice and end up spending more to correct their mistakes.

Her height also didn't help (1.5m).

Last year she was the 2nd best rep in the entire country for her company, which is a famous German brand.

It took years to build up her relationships and then we moved to another city beginning of last year.

She had to build up relationships from scratch and ended up the 2nd best rep nationwide.

The reason for her success? She believes in herself.

While I was in the business of demining (landmine removal/disposal) there was an all female group of deminers working alongside an all male group.

The clearance success rate of the women was higher than the men, even though they were a bit slower.

The reason for this? Ego.

What I took from all this was that women should play to their strengths, and not adopt male behavior especially in male dominated environments and play to their natural strengths because that's how you stand out from the rest.

a reply to: eletheia

Awards for things like movie and tv should be for the best actors / actresses, most popular films, etc? It shouldn't be about colour, race, sex, etc.

Much media outcry over, for example, the fact that Little Women didn't win anything. Have any of you seen it? Its pure rubbish, that's why it didn't win anything......

a reply to: Flavian

No, it very much should be over the best performances, films, etc.

They do split categories into male and female.

The large problem is that because the awards in this case are subjective, there is lots of room open to criticism when they are handed out. There are no criteria I am aware of that lessens the elements of simple judge preference, so at the end of the day, the people who don't win or who don't get nominated can always open the door to complaint. They can always claim they weren't in the running or didn't win because the judges simply didn't like them for whatever reason.

This is, of course, where the racism charges come in. They want the judges to prove they really had worse performances than their peers instead of simply not being chosen because they were black or female or whatever ...

It's another facet of prove you're not racist which is why they tend to think they need to win all the awards. That "proves" the Academy (or whatever judging body) isn't racist, right? Or there needs to be proportional representation of all the racies, sexes, etc., or else it *must* be racism, right?

originally posted by: 19Bones79

My wife works in a male dominated industry (cutting, grinding, abrasives) as a sales rep.
She was treated differently. Engineers and technicians would refuse to listen to her advice and end up spending more to correct their mistakes.
Last year she was the 2nd best rep in the entire country for her company, which is a famous German brand.
It took years to build up her relationships and then we moved to another city beginning of last year.

Lol!! I can totally relate to that.....my sales manager was constantly

trying to change my methods and approach, but he couldn't fault my

results. I constantly had to remind him that my mind worked in a

different way yet my objective was always achieved........ It took him

four years to admit I was as good as but different to my male

colleagues.

The reason for her success? She believes in herself.

I've been told and quite believe it that there is nothing more attractive

than a confident woman!

While I was in the business of demining (landmine removal/disposal) there was an all female group of deminers working alongside an all male group.
The clearance success rate of the women was higher than the men, even though they were a bit slower.
The reason for this? Ego.
What I took from all this was that women should play to their strengths, and not adopt male behavior especially in male dominated environments and play to their natural strengths because that's how you stand out from the rest. www.abovetopsecret.com...

A man I once worked for who was employed by a world renowned

company told me a workforce of good women was like striking gold.......

He left that company and built up his own very successful business on

the sweat of a female workforce.

originally posted by: Flavian

Awards for things like movie and tv should be for the best actors / actresses, most popular films, etc? It shouldn't be about colour, race, sex, etc.
Much media outcry over, for example, the fact that Little Women didn't win anything. Have any of you seen it? Its pure rubbish, that's why it didn't win anything......

Well having had to read the book in my school days (If I remember correctly

too twee for me ) It's what would put me off going to see the film in the

first place. They surely are digging very deep for subjects these days.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm a white middle aged guy, so i can't speak with any real authority on diversity. I will however say that if i was a black actor i would be insulted to get a nomination purely on the colour of my skin. At least, i hope i would.

a reply to: eletheia

I would be more than happy to gain a role in a box office hit, get paid and not receive a BAFTA!

Maybe the Actresses/Actors just weren't good enough in their respective roles to be nominated!