Australia Is Burning!! Where Is The Media??

originally posted by: weirdguy

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: tonycodes
Last night was the first time I heard of how bad these fires were in Australia. When did you find out how bad they were or even see news coverage of them first? Why can't the world's governments put out these fires? Why would the world militaries let Australia burn?

Why do I feel like the media and politicians are Choosing low coverage of this as long as possible to preserve more donation money for the upcoming elections?

I don't know what it is but something is really making me feel like the world media is purposely not covering this very catastrophic event?

Anyone else feel like something is wrong here besides the fact Australias civilians are begging the world to help on social media? As if NO ONE is helping them?

The u.s has sent firefighters to help.

And

Because Australia did not back Trumps economic sanctions (for the most part), infact refused (majorically) due to selfishly protecting their own economical relationship with china whilst having the gawl to still call the u.s an allie in war time.

Australia is two faced but the u.s still helping with there fires.

The chinese now own a fair chunk of Australia including water rights in QLD so maybe some may think it's the chinese that should be helping after all they own a fair chunk of the water needed to extinguish anyhow.

Plus when the nthrn hemisphere blows each other to smithereens soon enough their likely clearing land pre occupation in OZ to accommodate the winners from the nuclear fallout as hot air rises ( basic physics).

Bit of a wanker aren't you...

If you say so - "weirdguy" with the mood "wasted".

Have another hit.

originally posted by: Osirisvset

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Jeezus Christ...so this is AmericaS fault now?!

Here...have some firefighters.

www.google.com...=true


And looks like the aussie gov failed to act quick and request assistance

www.independent.co.uk...

What?? How do you come up with that?
ATS has literally lost the plot, I'm out.....

Make sure your a individual of your word.

a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

I remember this being brought up not so long ago.

Something about HAARP being in Australia.



Kind regards,

Bally

a reply to: bally001

Directed energy weapons is the exact term,but use Duck Duck go not Google

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

I remember this being brought up not so long ago.

Something about HAARP being in Australia.

Kind regards,

Bally

Yes people think the JORN radar network is like HAARP. Whatever.


Let's get some facts straight.
Australia is not burning. That is an incorrect statement that is emotionally and politically loaded. It should be avoided.
Parts of Australia are on fire. It happens every summer, has been happening long before European settlement, and will continue to happen long into the future as long as there is vegetation.
No it is not a climate change issue. Many fires have been started by arsonists. Many have also been started by lightning strikes.
A little known fact outside of Australia, and even amongst Australians many seem to be oblivious retards to this fact, we get storms in summer all across the country. It's normal. Thunder and electrical storms are a very normal part of an Australian summer. So is extreme heat and prolonged heat waves.

Yes, the fires are bad. Has anyone heard anyone describe a bushfire as anything other then bad before?

Here's some context..

There's about 1600 homes that have been lost across the states of New South Wales, Victoria, & South Australia. That's over a period starting in September in NSW.
In the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria (one state) over 2,000 homes were destroyed and another 2,000 buildings destroyed.
In the 1983 Ash Wednesday bushfires in Victoria and South Australia, over 3.700 properties were destroyed.

In the current Bushfire crisis 24 people have died since September across NSW, Victoria & SA.
In the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires 173 people died in Victoria.
In the 1983 Ash Wednesday bushfires 75 people died across Vic & SA.

Since this bushfire season/crisis started in September, 16,000,000+ acres have been burned across NSW, Vic, QLD, SA, WA and Tasmania. Only the two mainland territories haven't been impacted yet in that tally.
In the 1974/75 summer the Northern Territory had 290,000,000 acres burned. Yes, you read that right, 290 MILLION ACRES. In the same summer season, NSW had 11,000,000 acres burned. - So in the 1974/75 summer, over 300 MILLION ACRES were burned.
In 2002, the Northern Territory again had 37,000,000 acres burned.
In 1851, Victoria had 12,000,000 acres burned.

For further context, Australia is 1,900,740,525 acres in size. So 16 million acres burning is 0.84177718050179% of Australia's total land mass.
That's how big this country is. So much burned, but so much more.

These fires are horrific, they always are.
What is making things seem worse though, as if it's the end of the world and Australia is on fire and we're all #ed and doomed, is this climate change activism bull# going on.

Most of the planet is water. Most of the oceans have not been explored and mapped. So realistically we know sweet # all about our planet since most of it is unmapped and unexplored. We can't begin to claim we know everything when a major aspect of our planet is unknown to us.
Of course we should cut our pollution and impact on our local environments, that goes without saying.
But anyone that believes that carbon emissions are to blame for the fires in Australia is an absolute idiot who should be castrated to prevent them from breeding such stupid dna into the gene pool any further.

And before anyone says it, yes we have a drought in Australia. We always have droughts in Australia. It's nothing new.
What is new though is the way governments and corporates (YES corporations) are handling water allocations and rights. All of which is against the Australian Constitution mind you.
So yes while we have drought, there still is water available, and if it was treated accordingly, the drought wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Another aspect that your stupid world media isn't reporting, and little #s like Greta ignore because shes a dumb ass, is that through new green UN approved policies for the environment, people aren't allowed to clear debris like fallen trees from even their own properties without risking being heavily fined for it.
The volunteer fire services (the RFS, CFA, CFS) that are out there now trying to stop these fires, also haven't been allowed to do as many if any back burning operations that they used to do for many years in the lead up to summer. That back burning and clearing of debris and under growth when it gets out of control, is what used to help not prevent fires, but allow them to manage the fires better.

But these fires in NSW and Victoria have been burning since the Spring. And they can't put them out. Why? Because there's just too bloody much fuel load on the ground.

See in South Australia they still do back burning. So the Adelaide Hills bushfire, they were able to stop that. There's still flare ups and new fires that emerge in the hills region but they are able to get on top of them. A new one started the other day at Kersbrook, got out of control as they do, but they got it back under control within a day or two.
Kangaroo Island is a different story, half of it is burnt because the western side was home to the massive Flinders Chase national park and many plantation operations. All gone now. It was a monster of a fire front that couldn't have been put out even if the entire population of Australia lined up in front of it with high pressure/volume hoses and sprayed it simultaneously. There was just too much fuel load in the form of a national park and forest plantations.

So you see the difference between being able to bring the fires under control quickly and having them burn out of control and grow and grow into unimaginable fire storms for months?

The bushfire crisis in Australia has nothing to do with climate change, and everything to do with the idiots running this country.

ps, the reason the federal govs response has been slow, is because they want to get the full effect of this disaster because they are globalist dogs pushing the globalist UN climate change agenda on us.
They could have sent HMAS Adelaide & Canberra along with HMAS Choules when the first reports of people being stranded on beaches in Malacoota came in.
On Choules they took 800-1000 people. 4,500 were stranded on that one beach alone.
The Canberra Class amphibious assault ships can take 1,100 troops + 2,000 vehicles. So no vehicles just people, how many more people could they fit? Exactly my point...

We have 8 frigates & 3 destroyers too that can accommodate people. The Hobart class destroyers can take in an additional 230 people in addition to the crew. All of these ships have a helicopter on board.
Working with the helicopters from the Canberra ships, how many people and how quickly could they have evacuated them all from that beach?
Then moved on to other beaches up the coast in NSW as people there had to flee to the beaches to escape the fires.

We have 41 NH90 helicopters, 20 passenger capacity.
We have 20 remaining Blackhawks, about 10 passengers.
We have 10 Chinooks with a capacity for 55 passengers.

pps, they also cut funding to fire services. Tens of millions of dollars cut.
They've also ignored fire chiefs asking for more resources and equipment.

Great work mate I guess because I remained and was caught in the middle of it all and no-one, no-one came and helped me even after ringing 000. Fought, but lost a lot and still emotional about it. But we got a bed to lay our heads.

Regarding the NT. I fought fires up there for several years but the ones in the Tanami ( many, many acres) we let burn because they were lit by the locals who burn off seasonally. This may add to the equation. Same up north in Arnhem Land where I did a stint.

Do you hale from the bush cobba?

Kind regards,

Bally

originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

I remember this being brought up not so long ago.

Something about HAARP being in Australia.

Kind regards,

Bally

Yes people think the JORN radar network is like HAARP. Whatever.

Hmm mate. Never thought that at all being ex-defense force. I am no dill and please don't speak (Whatever) to me like I am.

My answer was a 'polite' response to another member.

My regards,

Bally

originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

I remember this being brought up not so long ago.

Something about HAARP being in Australia.

Kind regards,

Bally

See in South Australia they still do back burning. So the Adelaide Hills bushfire, they were able to stop that. There's still flare ups and new fires that emerge in the hills region but they are able to get on top of them. A new one started the other day at Kersbrook, got out of control as they do, but they got it back under control within a day or two.
Kangaroo Island is a different story, half of it is burnt because the western side was home to the massive Flinders Chase national park and many plantation operations. All gone now. It was a monster of a fire front that couldn't have been put out even if the entire population of Australia lined up in front of it with high pressure/volume hoses and sprayed it simultaneously. There was just too much fuel load in the form of a national park and forest plantations.

They do back burning in flinders Chase National park on Kangaroo Island as well. The fire front ripped through farmland at incredible speed and they had to turn and flee from the fire front. It was... unstoppable. No amount of back burning can prevent fires in the conditions that these fires are occurring in!

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Fact Check has found that the narrative of "greenies" stopping back burning is, a conspiracy theory, and not based in any fact. In fact, more backnurning is occurring in NSW than in the past.

“It’s simply conspiracy stuff. It’s an obvious attempt to deflect the conversation away from climate change.”

A former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins, has written this week that the hotter and drier conditions, and the higher fire danger ratings, were preventing agencies from carrying out prescribed burning.

He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.”

Is there a drop in hazard reduction?
A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019.

The NPWS had a hazard reduction target to treat 680,000ha of parks and reserves in the five years from 2011, which the spokesperson said it had exceeded.

The spokesperson added: “Hazard reduction is just one way of preparing for bushfires – it doesn’t remove the threat of fire.”

Bradstock says: “In New South Wales, hazard reduction work is governed by policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environment groups and governments.

“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.”

www.theguardian.com...

From what i can read you wlso have your fair share of arsonists including most recently a 84 year old man of all things.

Seems you need to have a long hard look at the culture that breeds within.

originally posted by: CthruU
From what i can read you wlso have your fair share of arsonists including most recently a 84 year old man of all things.

Seems you need to have a long hard look at the culture that breeds within.

Yes, some of these fires have been started by arson, some accidentally by people, some by lightening, electrical faults, you name it. Point is, in the condition that the land is in, a spark is all that is required then it spreads. Once its big enough, the wind sends embers many km's ahead and spots. Then, in bush land, the fires "crown" (spread through the canopy of the eucalyptus forest" at incredible speed and heat). Fires have crowned in area's already burned at ground level. It is the drought, and the heat that is providing the conditions for the burning. The tree's are dehydrated by the drought, and full of Eucalyptus oil.

Here are the fires on KI to understand some of the intensity.



@ 2.21 you see the panic in the town of Parndarna as the fire comes at them across crop country. Intense!

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: CthruU

If I verify its your nations HAARP and space based weaponry burning my nation to ciders you will see emotional

I remember this being brought up not so long ago.

Something about HAARP being in Australia.

Kind regards,

Bally

Yes people think the JORN radar network is like HAARP. Whatever.

Hmm mate. Never thought that at all being ex-defense force. I am no dill and please don't speak (Whatever) to me like I am.

My answer was a 'polite' response to another member.

My regards,

Bally

I was just stating what some people think about it since HAARP was mentioned. I never implied you thought that or that it was in fact true.


Regarding your other comment, sorry you lost your home.
Good on you for being a volunteer fire fighter (i assume from what you said), they all deserve a lot more then what they're getting currently.

Think about it like this, regarding the situation overall in general.

We've had big fires out of control before, across multiple states as I showed, many many people have died in some summers a lot more then this summer. Be it one or 100 its a tragic loss nonetheless.

Go back to those fire seasons. It was what it was, it was part of living on this continent on this land that we have massive fires, some started by nature others by humans.
We dealt with it all as best we could, everyone came together for each other and the nation. And we rebuilt.

Today whats the major difference? Besides the lack of proper management of the parks and what not, the only difference is politics. By that I mean the climate change agenda being pushed.

And you know it is 100% politically driven, ideologically, because we havent even put the fires out yet, people are still dying and losing everything, and half the time thats all anyone in the media talks about.
Now weve got global celebrities jumping in and telling us how it is, in our country. Coincidence that every single one of those idiots is ignoring factors such as a lack of burn offs, the lack of clearing and management of undergrowth and natural debris? Or the factor that funding for fire fighting was cut by tens of millions? Or that authorities ignored recommendations for resources and equipment?

They can all jam their climate change ideology up their clackers, because while those bastards here and abroad play politics people continue to lose homes and lives, our native vegitation is taking a battering and native species are dying and suffering.

Im sick to death of hearing what some dip# celebrity asshole in America or the UK or that little # Greta has to say.

a reply to: harold223

I also stated why the fire on KI was so big and out of control. For example, theres timber plantations there. Gone now.

Notice how they STOPPED it however?

Doesn't matter if its a Green party policy pushed because they hold some balance of power or if its a GREEN policy in general.
Fact is, and you can hear many NSW RFS saying it, they don't do those things in NSW anymore and the severity of the fires is a DIRECT RESULT of that. Which was my point.
There is absolute no verifable proof man made climate change caused these fires.
How can anyone in their right mind blame it on that when most of the planet js unexplored and a big unknown, therefore we dont completely understand how everything works fully integrated as one giant system?...

The fires are still burning, homes being lost, lives being lost.
Scomo is right 100% that this is not the time for that discussion. The time to assess and evaluate comes AFTER the crisis is over.
And I'm not a Liberal Party voter.