Can This New Discovery Prove One Day That Interdimensional Beings Exist?

This thread is about me speculating and asking questions about a new discovery, that I just read about today. I'm just expressing my thoughts and wondering what the future ramifications of this new discovery will be. I'm sure there are quite a few people on ATS who know a lot more than me on this subject and I'd love to hear your thoughts.

There are a few ufologists who believe that the UFO phenomenon involves visitations from interdimensional beings, who come from a reality or "dimension" that coexists separately alongside our own.

Here's a very interesting 15 minute clip on this subject:

Many scientists in the past 10 years have talked about these hidden dimensions and how they would affect our perception of reality. Back in 2011, Physicist Lisa Randall was interviewed by Smithsonian Magazine about this subject.

There could be more to the universe than the three dimensions we are familiar with. They are hidden from us in some way, perhaps because they're tiny or warped. But even if they're invisible, they could affect what we actually observe in the universe. There are lots of things we cannot see with the naked eye that turn out to be based in reality.

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Today, physicists believe that there our universe consists of 11 dimensions. I can barely explain the concept of the fourth dimension, so I'm posting these short video clips to help us all better understand this concept.



An article published the other day, mentions the discovery of a new optical chip design, that "enables light to experience multiple dimensions."

“Light can evolve in up to seven dimensions on our specially designed circuits, which is mind boggling when you realize that the space around us is three-dimensional,”

“Making use of higher dimensions on optical chips could support a variety of future technologies that involve machine learning and performing complex tasks autonomously,”

“This takes us into the realm of science fiction, which I think is really exciting. The sky is the limit in terms of potential future applications that could build on our discovery.”

knowridge.com...

So, what are the implications of this discovery? If light can evolve in up to seven dimensions, will this discovery open the doors that would allow a human to traverse these dimensions too? If this concept is possible, would it not support the theory that interdimensional beings could be entering our reality to observe us?

There is a chance we will be able to travel through dimensions and time...
-Theoretical physicist, author and broadcaster, Professor Jim Al-Khalili

The ‘extra’ dimensions may exist, but it’s (string theory/M theory/some other new-fangled derivative) more sizzle than steak: Kaku Loses ‘Extra’ Dimensions Bet

Not to mention, the theorized dimensions are infinitesimally small and are grossly misrepresented in the press...this leads to wild, fantastical ‘thought experiments’ from armchair scientists. But hey, time is a flat circle and fractal geometry is real — so who knows?

The path of least resistance would suggest that, if visitation ever occurred, these aren’t new visitors but ones who came and stayed — since time immemorial.

Merry Christmas 🎁 to all you other Christmas-less dimensions.

#DailyQuotaOfNon-sequitorFulfilled

a reply to: shawmanfromny

The whole "interdimensional" thing has never really sat well with me. With so much universe out there, why do we need to overcomplicate things by adding extra dimensions? I'm not saying that it isn't possible but i think we should keep looking in places that we can understand.

a reply to: jamespond

Because a lot of supposed contactees talk about beings being inter dimensional.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I grew up on Angel stories. One pattern I noticed is that almost without exception they chose to disappear when the person looked away. In many many cases there was no place to hide.

It occurred to me perhaps humans are able to see whatever dimensions they exist in IF they can see which WAY they went.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Fiction or based on fact:

You could think of Branes (now called P-Branes) as some sort of energy string that has been stretched and flattened into a huge sheet of energy that can have several dimensions connected to its' X-Y-Z (Plus “T” for time) dimensional surface.

The Big Bang theory, up until this point, was never able to explain what banged, why it banged, and what was going on, to cause the bang. The theory looked right if you ran the expanding universe in reverse so that all matter was scrunched into a small theoretical point; but try that sometime and see how far you get. The Big Bang looked like the real deal on a theorist chalk board or computer simulation but what were the conditions for the bang and what caused the “BANG” had never been answered.

No one knows how many Branes there are, only that at least one strong and one weaker Brane has been theorized and now found to exist .

The total extra-dimensional universe, or everything that is, could be like a package of Brane printer paper as far as anyone knows, only the sheets almost never touch. If and when they do touch due to a postulated imbalance of the Dark Matter/Energy gravity wave fields, you get “BOOM” an a new universe is born much like the place we see all around us. In other words this prior hidden dimension where all gravity leaks through into the multiverse has so much energy present on the surface of just one of the Branes it is almost incalculable ; even though there are those who try even to this day on Earth.

“Trust me; when two Branes touch all mathematical hell breaks loose”!

One old earth theory guesstimated the Branes would touch every trillion years or so and are then repelled back apart to start the whole unending cycle over again.

Extracted from a story I wrote a few years ago.. Even though some still believe in dark matter I have thrown that idea in the dustbin as of this present day we keep looking but have not found proof it exist other than in math.. The extra mass they claimed was dark matter is nothing more than intergalactic dust, planets, and space junk we have been unable to find and see; but they keeping looking and creating new and bigger devices to detect dark matter..

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I offer zero scientific input on multi-dimensional specifics.

However, I was watching Ancient Aliens tonight (so that sort of makes me an expert). Linda Moulton Howe was claiming the reason we see UFO's around nuclear facilities and testing sites, is when we split atoms if affects those other dimensions. The beings who live in those dimensions do not like it I guess and come over to see what's up.

So...I guess that's a wrap. Mystery solved.

Merry Christmas!

The word dimension has an actual meaning. Unfortunately it seems to have been appropriated. It's become all newagey. What's wrong with the term alternative universe?

I mean, we live in three spatial dimensions. That is not "a dimension." Right?

Why do folks believe that a "dimension" is a physical location in which things can exist ?
They have to exist in all 12 dimensions , or they don't exist at all .
Yes , I said 12 .
New thoughts add the 12th to describe an infinite number of infinite multiverses .

Beings capable of surfing a bunch pocket, or refactoral spaces between different points in time versus going past light speed where it more like the Autobahn relatively speaking.

Say it ain't so.

a reply to: Specimen88

When a gravity wave hits an event horizon at just the right angle it creates something that puts Teahupo'o to shame.

They operate Neutral-Dimension Craft....the rest should be easy to figure out. A lot depends on how you parse use and interpret the operative word DIMENSION.

a reply to: one4all

Yeah. You can go all newagey with it. Or not.

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: shawmanfromny

The whole "interdimensional" thing has never really sat well with me. With so much universe out there, why do we need to overcomplicate things by adding extra dimensions? I'm not saying that it isn't possible but i think we should keep looking in places that we can understand.

Bingo! For me at least.

We don’t even fully understand the 3 dimensional reality.

Come back to me when we can explain gravity in detail beyond a constant.

Unless that constant is explained via a 4th dimension (which would be a fascinating point if the 4th dimension and gravity are related), let’s stick to 3D.

There’s lots we can’t quantity in 3D. We should do those things first.

originally posted by: Cravens
The ‘extra’ dimensions may exist, but it’s (string theory/M theory/some other new-fangled derivative) more sizzle than steak: Kaku Loses ‘Extra’ Dimensions Bet

Not to mention, the theorized dimensions are infinitesimally small and are grossly misrepresented in the press...this leads to wild, fantastical ‘thought experiments’ from armchair scientists. But hey, time is a flat circle and fractal geometry is real — so who knows?

The path of least resistance would suggest that, if visitation ever occurred, these aren’t new visitors but ones who came and stayed — since time immemorial.

Merry Christmas 🎁 to all you other Christmas-less dimensions.

#DailyQuotaOfNon-sequitorFulfilled

Merry Christmas to you and everyone else too.

That parallels the thoughts of a lot of scientists who think people get a little too excited about these "extra dimensions" concepts and who want to believe in pseudoscientific claims by Kaku and others. We have as much evidence for hypothesizing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin as we do for the extra dimensions in string theory, zero for either one. So why is nobody excited about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? Well, maybe some people are...

This is the real science, but I'm afraid the only people who will understand it are those who already do, and those who don't will continue to hang on to misrepresentations about extra dimensions in some kind of pseudoscientific fantasy. It explains some of the misconceptions about extra dimensions and evidence we have that they don't exist, at least not in any form that shows up in our observations, and it also explains why even if the extra dimensions in string theory exist (which they may not), they still wouldn't support the hypothesis of extra dimensional UFOs.

Higher Dimensions in Physics and Mathematics!

Pseudoscientists lean heavily on the assumption that their readers will know absolutely nothing about science or math. This is a pretty safe assumption, alas. And it requires no effort on the part of the pseudoscientist, because he also invariably knows no science or math either.

It is worth summarizing the ways in which the various concepts of "higher dimensions'' gradually diffused out from legitimate math and science, through hundreds of increasingly distorted, confused and muddled journalistic presentations and sensationalizations, into late 19th Century science fiction and 20th Century pseudoscience.

In the late 19th Century mathematicians became increasingly interested in the foundations of geometry. Our own universe has 3 space dimensions. But what would geometry be like if there were 4 space dimensions? Or 5? Or 10? Or an arbitrary number? Or an infinite number? Mathematicians worked a great deal on geometries with arbitrary numbers of space dimensions.

Mathematicians also worked a great deal on "non-Euclidian'' geometries that violate one or more of the postulates of Euclid. In Euclidian geometry, parallel lines remain the same distance apart. One can imagine a geometry in which parallel lines eventually intersect, and a geometry in which parallel lines gradually separate further and further. Such spaces are usually described as "curved''— an example is the 2-dimensional surface of a sphere, on which lines initially parallel at the equator of the sphere intersect at the poles of the sphere.


Mathematicians had no idea that their work would ever prove useful to physicists, but some of it did have application in the real world. For hundreds of years physicists had worked in a 4-dimensional framework, because it takes a minimum of 4 numbers to specify an event: 3 to specify its space location and 1 to specify when it happened. In 1905 Einstein found that, to be correct, laws of physics must be written in a 4-dimensional form that physicists call "Lorentz Invariant,'' or "Manifestly Covariant.'' The reason is that different observers will disagree as to how much of an event "projects'' onto the space axes and how much "projects'' onto the time axis. That is, different observers can disagree as to how long a process takes, or on the size of the physical space that the process occupies. Only the full four-dimensional aspects of the process remain the same for all observers.

In 1915, Einstein found a more general description of gravitational phenomena, in which the density of matter directly determines the "curvature'' of 4-dimensional space-time. That is, his theory of gravity was purely geometrical. The amount of matter determines the type of geometry that exists in the surrounding space. Other matter travels along the straightest possible trajectory in this curved space-time...

The structure of all known physical laws demands that our universe have only 3 extended space dimensions. For example, the fact— established and confirmed by experiment consistently for nearly 400 years— that all long-range interactions, such as gravity and the radiation field of the electromagnetic force, fall off like the inverse square of the distance, demands that space be precisely 3 dimensional.

That's true unless the other dimensions never interact with ours, and if that's the case, then the non-interacting other dimensions are a useless hypothesis to explain interdimensional UFOs which nobody would see if they didn't interact somehow.

Then the article talks about the extra dimensions in string and M theory and why they are also useless for an interdimensional UFO hypothesis:

More confusion about higher dimensions was generated in the press beginning in 1984, when physicists became excited about so-called "string theory.'' Physicists have never been able to work out a theory of gravitation that is consistent with quantum mechanics and also has some feature that indicates it might be uniquely correct! String theory provided a geometrical description of quantum processes that incorporated gravity very naturally. But three other forces besides gravity are known. Borrowing the idea of Kaluza and Klein, physicists incorporated the other three forces and their "couplings" by adding space dimensions— the only thing you can do in a theory that is purely geometric. A typical string theory had 9 or 10 space dimensions and 1 time dimension. The extra space dimensions had to be there to incorporate phenomena other than gravity geometrically, but they could not "actually'' be there or the theory would not have worked. The solution was to curl these extra dimensions up mathematically into tight "wads'' no more than 10^-35 meters in length, a process called "compaction." The extra dimensions would thus be "compact," and indetectable.

So those extra dimensions in string or M theory are useless for the interdimensional UFO hypothesis.

If you're really interested in this topic, I suggest reading the entire linked article as I've only quoted selected parts of it, but the entire article is helpful if you have some background in math and science to be able to understand what it's talking about.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: jamespond

Because a lot of supposed contactees talk about beings being inter dimensional.

And how would said contactees know the difference between interdimensional and some fancy technology that we don't understand?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

So those extra dimensions in string or M theory are useless for the interdimensional UFO hypothesis.

Hear, hear!

Do string (or M) theory provide any provable predictions which would contradict Einsteinian (or even Newtownian) theory?

If not, what's the point? Newton is fully functional for all practical applications. Beyond that, Einstein fits the bill.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: jamespond

Because a lot of supposed contactees talk about beings being inter dimensional.

And how would said contactees know the difference between interdimensional and some fancy technology that we don't understand?

That's a good way to think about it. One could hypothesize types of "cloaking technologies" some of which are actively being researched which might make UFOs or aliens appear to fade in and out of existence, which would be a more sound idea than "interdimensional pseudoscience".

originally posted by: Phage
Do string (or M) theory provide any provable predictions which would contradict Einsteinian (or even Newtownian) theory?

As far as I'm aware, they've never provided any provable predictions about anything, ever, at least not anything that can be proven true. There have been numerous predictions proven false as explained by Peter Woit:

Why String Theory Is Still Not Even Wrong

Experimental results from the Large Hadron Collider show no evidence of the extra dimensions or supersymmetry that string theorists had argued for as "predictions" of string theory. The internal problems of the theory are even more serious after another decade of research. These include the complexity, ugliness and lack of explanatory power of models designed to connect string theory with known phenomena, as well as the continuing failure to come up with a consistent formulation of the theory.

So in large part I think the summary of string theory in my signature is as accurate than ever.

If not, what's the point? Newton is fully functional for all practical applications. Beyond that, Einstein fits the bill.

Yes, there are copious numbers experiments consistent with Einstein's 4 dimensional model, and if there were 5 or more dimensions, as the article I linked in my previous post says, one can demonstrate that experiments would not be consistent with a 4 dimensional model. So in that sense we do have copious amounts of evidence of 4 dimensions and lack of additional dimensions as explained in the link.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes, I know it's pseudoscience based on a movie, but I think time itself could be a 4th dimension, one we still have yet to discover.

We have already discovered time dilation, so we know it can be altered based upon our own perception of time. The question would be does that dilation ever cross a boundary of excess that could be manipulated to reverse? We speculate that dark matter was a net negative which allowed for the rapid expansion of the universe and creation of matter itself. Even that is just speculated theory based upon observations. What if dark energy was discovered and could negate time itself by being itself. Create negative pockets in time when it overwhelms matter. Relativity does not define a direction, only a constant.

Given the little we know in the grand picture, couldn't there be a 4th dimension (time) that we just don't know, and don't know how it works?

I do agree for sure that they wouldn't be extra-dimensional beings, like Phage said, that word is misused a lot.

And this is why I love ATS, I get to spiel my sci-fi theories and eventually a guy that knows more than me will reply