Is It Political Suicide ?

In your opinion. But you asked why they would seemingly risk political suicide. I answered using own words and beliefs, which they have not been shy about.

a reply to: Liquesence

Your right , and I respect your response.

It's called the "party line." When you belong to a party, you do what the party says you need to do. It's exactly what happened when Trump started outperforming his old-school Republican candidates. A huge number of Republicans were getting ready to abandon the party, but when Trump became the nominee, they eventually sucked it up and went with the party even though privately they thought it was terrible.

That's what you get when you join a party. You get some of the campaign money, but you gotta do what they say. It's a little old thing they like to call "politics."

a reply to: Liquesence

Let's be completely honest here. The left has been trying to de-seat the duly elected president since before his inauguration. There is no evidence of crimes. It's just a giant hissy fit, and it's unamerican and embarrassing. Grow the hell up. Elect people who do their jobs. God damn, the amount of tax payer dollars we've wasted on this utter crap. Jesus. May as well be a tissue fund to wipe away your tears. Grow. The. Hell. Up.

ETA: how's that budget coming along? Oh yeah, they didn't pass one. Again. Yeah, Trump is the problem...

a reply to: IAMTAT

And thats really all its about now. They had a hey we can get away with it mentality, and what do we have to lose attitude...so when they are unable to force him out, at least they can play to their low IQ base and at least call him names. IMPEACHED!

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

What I can't seem to wrap my head around is this, why would so many Democrats be so willing to follow one another off the cliff to political suicide? These are career politicians we are talking about here , who when you sweep aside all the bull all they care about is re-election.

Very simple, actually.

They feel that they will ultimately be on the right side of history, in the long run, by standing up for democracy and the Constitution, rather than their Republican counterparts who seem to care more about maintaining power and putting their party over country in support of Trump at all costs, which is a reason so many are so spineless to oppose the Trumpublican Party.

That is why they are risking "political "suicide" as you call it, because they claim to care more about country and its founding principles than their own re-election—yet they ultimately hope they will get through to the people in order to be reelected, *because* they put country over party.

Simple.

I refuse to believe you actually believe this.

It's just so 180 degrees from reality. It's the Democrats that are violating the constitution, making up lies, ignoring due process and abusing their power.

The democrats are the ones that are trying to impeach without a crime. They are the ones making up big fat lies like trump said article 2 gives him permission to be a dictator. Just in case you don't know what he actually said - he said article 2 gives him the power to fire Mueller if he wanted to - it does - but he didn't do it.

For god's sake schiff is saying we have to impeach him for stuff he is going to do in the future!!! They have tried 3 years to search his whole past for actual crimes - couldn't find any so now they are saying he is going to do something in the future.

Do you not see where that leads? Since nobody can tell the future it means anybody can be impeached at any time. Tell me you really think the Democrats are acting honorably when they say crap like that.

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It's really a simple answer. People don't think rationally when they are consumed by hate.

Nor when consumed by blind enthusiasm and/or adoration.

a reply to: proximo

I refuse to believe you actually believe this.

You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs.

I'm simply using their own words and beliefs in answering the OP's question.

a reply to: Liquesence

Yes, let the blind enthusiasm and/or adoration flow through you!

Because in this day and age, it isn’t political suicide. At the foundation of the country such a stunt would have resulted in the offenders gathered up and offered the choice of a bullet or a boat and told that either way the motto of the country for them is ...and stay out.

Today, with people parading around in vagina costumes as not only acceptable public behavior but that said costumed crusade has a valid opinion on the Constitution as a scholar, it isn’t so suicidal.

Normal people don’t stand up for themselves so much as cower and pray that they are not ostracized and have more rights taken away. The death spiral started long ago, this is just further evidence that the US wont celebrate the 250th in six years so much as mourn what could had been.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I used to think that those in seats of power and leadership were somehow wiser, smarter than the rest of us.

I don't any longer.

To put it bluntly, the average IQ is 100. If those in the seats of power are a fair representative of the general population, then there are those in power with an average or below average IQ.

Really? They aren't very smart.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: PurpleFox
They are too far consumed by the bubble that they live in, they actually think they are doing the right thing.

These people are stupid.

They can't be that stupid.

I think this is far more sinister then any of us can imagine.

You know, I was thinking...
if Trump/Pence wins 2020, and then gets arkancided... Pence takes over.
If pence gets arkancided too, none other than Pelosi herself becomes the POTUS.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Blaine91555
It's all moot. The decision will be made at the next election. Partisans will vote party line, like they always do, and the Independents will decide who wins or loses.

Hand wringing and mud slinging won't change that. The smart people are ignoring this whole show, not being dumb enough to let a party lead them around by the nose.

The cry from all of us should be - LET WE THE PEOPLE DECIDE AT THE NEXT ELECTION - but they can't have that. It would mean we really are led by a government of We the People, for the People, by the People.

Trump may not be a desirable person to have as President, but if he were to be taken down this way, it seals in stone that no outsider will ever be allowed to hold the highest office.

Oh, if they manage to remove him, they won't stop there with their lesson and message to anyone who dares interfere with their power. These Washngton types are as vindictive as they come.

Both parties are capable and willing to do things that hurt us or take our power away. One is as bad as the other.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I used to think that those in seats of power and leadership were somehow wiser, smarter than the rest of us.

I don't any longer.

To put it bluntly, the average IQ is 100. If those in the seats of power are a fair representative of the general population, then there are those in power with an average or below average IQ.

Really? They aren't very smart.

Oh, they are plenty smart. They count on voters being dumb and in fact rely on it. In reality both Dem's and Republicans consider we voters to be stupid.

We poor dumb voters can't be trusted.

originally posted by: lordcomac
For the next 11 months or so, all we'll get to hear from them is "but we voted to impeach, and he's still there!"
"Vote for us and we'll vote to impeach again!"
etc etc

its all they have to run on, they've done nothing but waste tax dollars for three full years now.

They didn't find time to vote themselves a raise at least.

a reply to: Blaine91555

While that is the case, thinking you are smarter than someone does not make you smarter than someone.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
In reality both Dem's and Republicans consider we voters to be stupid.

Certainly, the hardcore folks from both parties consider the average person to be a little on the stupid side. The difference, of course, is that liberals think people in general are good but dumb because they weren't given enough opportunities by "The Man," so they feel that since they're so much more enlightened they need to help these poor dumb people out. Conservatives feel that people are generally bad and stupid because the average guy is just another dumb animal who needs strict guidance and control.

And how do they both intend to help us poor, stupid people out? By taking as much of our tax money as possible. They both very truly believe in getting our money. And they do. So maybe they're right.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blaine91555

While that is the case, thinking you are smarter than someone does not make you smarter than someone.

No it does not. Personally I consider belonging to either party to be naive.

a reply to: Blaine91555

T'is why I just go by the Constitution. I swore two oaths in my life.

One to my bride and one to uphold and defend the US Constitution.

I take both seriously and have for the past 30 years.

When I was younger, I believed it was a good idea to impeach Clinton. After all, he lied in federal court, under oath and should have been prosecuted. Right? It was a stupid thing to do over an affair, why risk it? To stand there at proclaim to the entire nation that he didn't have an affair with Lewinsky was very, very poor judgement. He should have lost almost all of his supporters for that act alone. The Republicans had every right to do it, we can't let a president get away with that. That hurts the nation when our president has an affair in the Whitehouse and lies about it in court.

Boy did I underestimate the Democrats.

They not only supported him but they bought that poor excuse of an apology and he barely got punished at all. To top it off, his support increased! What??? From that day the Dems have been focusing on ruining the lives of anyone that disagrees with them. We've seen it over and over and over, it's like the beast was unleashed and it came in the Democrat party.

The truth is those feelings were always there, they just never had a real good reason to let them all out. Well that changed and the political climate in our country changed in a big way. The Bush 2 election was fought over in court because the Broward Country idiots couldn't mark their ballots correctly and it went south (no pun intended) from there. Democrats got bolder, less cooperative and more insistent that it was their way or the highway no matter who suffered.

Despite the plethora of facts of illegal and immoral acts by Obama, and the feeble attempts by some Republicans to impeach him that went nowhere, he remained the most untouchable president in history. I'm not even going there as to why, that's another discussion. No impeachment for Barry.

Fast-forward to July 2016. When Trump was nominated as the Republican candidate, the Dems' rejoiced because they knew they would beat him into the ground and Hillary would be hoisted up to get her crown. Oops. I would love to have been a fly on the wall to see and hear her reaction when the People AND the EC decided otherwise. I'm not going to debate the actual count, that's not relevant in the end. Dem's heads collectively exploded across the country and the motion was set to remove him from office as soon as humanly possible. And it hasn't stopped. Even with today's results, which were all based on extreme hatred of a man who interrupted the Leftist's plans of turning our REPUBLIC into a socialist democracy - or worse. The have been beating that horse since the day after the election and some of our elected officials have made the most vile, disturbing comments toward him that no one should ever have to put up with. Not to mention the illegal spying, the propaganda, the media industry parroting whatever lie the Democrats want to spew, and the flat-out ridiculous hate every time they had access to a camera.

I remember the Clinton impeachment, it was nothing like this. I also remember the divisiveness of the Obama administration and how badly it affected and still affects our nation, but Republicans did not and do not have the same level of hatred towards him. We despised his policies and his smooth talking BS, but I never saw the hate that I see out of Democrats toward Trump and we supporters. Especially from elected officials in Washington. It's unbelievable.

So apparently the Democrats have gotten part of their wish - they look to be voting to impeach. This is the culmination of their work over the last three years. A disgusting show of pettiness and as I think most of us know, them covering their asses for some illegal past activities that I'm sure a great many of them have committed. Hopefully The Durham and Barr investigations will expose the real criminals in both parties and there will be indictments galore. I'm not holding out too much hope, but maybe they will surprise us.

The Democrats, in my opinion, have underestimated the strength, resilience and memory of Trump supporters. We will not let this go by without a response, but our response will not be riots, it won't be intimidation, it will be at the ballot box next November. I hope with everything I have in me that there will be sweeping changes, removing bitter, hateful Democrats and Republican swamp-dwellers. Our government needs a cleaning like it likely has never had. Democrats will fight it with everything they have, legal and illegal, to make sure they retain power. That's what it is all about if you had any questions - power. Power over the People. They've wanted it for as long as we've had a government, that's why the Founders put so many safeguards in the Constitution. It's too bad that so many of our elected ignore that important piece of paper and disregarded it so long ago.

Listening to some of their two-minute speeches today repulsed me. Democrats actually bringing up our Founding Fathers and their impeachment rules, few as they are, and stating their belief in them. These same Democrats didn't believe so in 1998. These Democrats were vehemently against Clinton's impeachment, as I know believe they should have been back then given the circumstances. Yet they totally disregard the same thing they believed in because of their hatred for the man that was elected in place of their goddess. This is about power - and revenge. Don't ever doubt that if you do right now. You don't make up rules that are partisan and eliminate the other side from participating in a process like this because it is so important. If it's that important and you believe you have all the evidence needed to impeach, then you perform it according to ethical and legal standards. Doing anything other than that exposes your bias and unwillingness to be fair as we saw with both Schiff and Nadler. Both claimed Trump broke the law and obstructed congress but neither was willing to offer him the legal rights he would have in a court of law since they were claiming their process was in fact lawful. You can't have it both ways and I believe it will backfire on them. In reality it is my view after watching the hearings that Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi abused their congressional power far more than I have ever seen in my lifetime. Not behind the scenes, but blatantly out in the open for the world to see, as if saying, daring anyone to stop them.

This was a very long answer to the OP's question of why - why would Democrats risk their seats and go through this process? Because the only thing that matters to them right now, at this moment, is removing Trump from office. That's it. Nothing else is important. Save for the very very few that disagree, I think maybe two or three?

I'm out all day interacting with the public. Everyone is dismissing this impeachment as a nothing-burger.

It's only a big deal to Politicians, the Media, and the few Americans that hate President Trump. (About 1 out of every 100)