IG report damning on FBI abuse regarding Page Fisa Warrant

a reply to: neo96

just saw a report FBI agents supported trump , time to have an investigation into them

a reply to: nataliep

Then we should get them to investigate those criminals that falsfied FISA warrants.

Well, this just proves that you can cherry-pick almost anything to prove whatever you want to, eh?

From the report linked at justice.gov

As we describe in Chapter Three, the FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane on July 31, 2016, just days after its receipt of information from a Friendly Foreign Government (FFG) reporting that, in May 2016, during a meeting with the FFG, then Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama)." The FBI Electronic Communication (EC) opening the Crossfire Hurricane investigation stated that, based on the FFG information, "this investigation is being opened to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia." We did not find information in FBI or Department ECs, emails, or other documents, or through witness testimony, indicating that any information other than the FFG information was relied upon to predicate the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

Emphasis mine. So, not even TWO PAGES into the report, we find that the Steele Dossier was in fact NOT used to “open the Crossfire Hurricane” investigation.

Gee, that was easy.

And look, on page iii ..

As we describe in the report, all of the investigative actions taken by the Crossfire Hurricane team, from the date the case was opened on July 31 until October 21 (the date of the first FISA order) would have been permitted whether the case was opened as a Preliminary or Full Investigation.

Look ma, no “spying.”

Still on PAGE 3 (iii)...

Additionally, given the low threshold for predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG, we concluded that the FFG information, provided by a government the United States Intelligence Community (USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand account from an FFG employee of a conversation with Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the investigation. This information provided the FBI with an articulable factual basis that, iftrue, reasonably indicated activity constituting either a federal crime or a threat to national security, or both, may have occurred or may be occurring. For similar reasons, as we detail in Chapter Three, we concluded that the quantum of information articulated by the FBI to open the individual investigations on Papadopou los, Page, Flynn, and Manafort in August 2016 was sufficient to satisfy the low threshold established by the Department and the FBI.

So ... the information that the investigation was based on was the CREDIBLE intelligence passed on by the Austrailian Ambassador regarding little Popadoupouos is shown conclusively BY THE IG REPORT that was supposed to damn the entire Obama Administration was the trigger to start ALL of the investigations that followed.

You guys just don’t try very hard to make a convincing case ... do ya?

And from PAGE 5 of the full report ...

On October 21, 2016, NSD submitted the Carter Page FISA application to the FISC, asserting that there was probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of the Russian government. The application relied on, among other things:
• The information provided by the FFG about its interaction with Papadopoulos;
• Information from the FBI's previously opened counterintelligence investigation relating to Page arising from his contacts with Russian intelligence officers;
• Information from Steele's reports that pertained specifically to Carter Page; and
• Information from a meeting between Page and an FBI CHS that was consensually monitored by Crossfire Hurricane investigators.

How much more conclusively do you have to hear that the investigation in general and the FISA Warrants specifically DID NOT DEPEND SOLEY ON STEELE???

Meanwhile, media is blatantly lying to people telling them the IG report showed the FBI was above board. This is why the media are despised. It's not because Trump calls them "fake news" it's because they're partisan scum and everyone knows it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

If anyone is claiming that the dossier was the cause for opening the investigation, they're mixing up the timeline.

We've known for quite a while now that the Mifsud>PapaD>Downer events are the official reason for opening the investigation. The interactions between PapaD and Mifsud weren't a part of Horowitz's investigation. That's where things might get very interesting. If Mifsud is linked back to WESTERN intelligence, it blows up the whole story. Barr/Durham apparently have two of Mifsud's blackberries. Sydney Powell has also requested these devices be produced in Flynn's case.
Barr/Durham have been to Italy at least twice now. It's where he supposedly went into hiding when he realized he was being painted as a russian asset by the FBI/Mueller.

The claim about the dossier is that the FBI was aware of Steele's bias and credibility issues, they knew that it was paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign, they knew that it was unverified, and they knew that some of it was easily proven false. They didn't reveal these glaring issues to the FISA court. On top of that, they used the dossier as the primary justification for the Page warrant.

Last year, this was a very contentious point. Nunes put out the memo pretty much stating what I just did above and he was attacked relentlessly. He was called a liar and mocked by politicians and the media alike. The loudest being Adam Schiff. In his competing report, he basically claimed none of what Nunes said was true. Turns out Schiff, after seeing the exact same documents Nunes did, lied his ass off to anyone who would listen.

Plenty of members of the media followed his lead:

twitter.com... ww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Ftechnofogs-giant-list-msm-hacks-who-swore-fbi-didnt-rely-steele-dossier


If anyone was vindicated yesterday, It was Devin Nunes.

a reply to: elDooberino

The IG Report addresses your quibbles directly and states that there was no indication that the investigation was opened for political reasons. No matter how much some of you WANT to believe that, it is not true.

Yes, and in-depth combing over of a million pages of evidence demonstrated FBI lapses in procedure ... but there is NOTHING HERE that justifies these ridiculous claims being made here. There is no investigation in the HISTORY of the FBI or any other law enforcement organization that an IG couldn’t find something wrong with, and you guys know that.

Devin Nunes was vindicated? LOL ... That’s a good one. How do you figure?

a reply to: Gryphon66
Hahaha
You forgot we know the fbi planted info to pops.
Then made sure friendlys asked him about it.
Its commonly called entrapment.
Its a set up.
You pretending its not at THIS point is so delicious.

The jig is up.

a reply to: [post=24808142]Grambler[/po



The Page File Needs more RAM .......

a reply to: Gryphon66

Lapse in procedure? They flat out lied and fabricated information. They (an FBI lawyer) got the warrant by altering an email to make it appear Page was not a source (based on todays Horowirz testimony). Then, when the case fell apart in January as it was revealed to "higher ups) that hed lied they didnt disclose to FISC.

Instead they said they met with the email author (who kept saying "i never said that") and simply summarized the conversation with "they appeared truthful".

Do you understand this? They reported to FISC that they appeared truthful....and that the entire basis of the warrant being made up/lied about was concealed.

Who cares why they did it....they did it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The IG Report addresses your quibbles directly and states that there was no indication that the investigation was opened for political reasons. No matter how much some of you WANT to believe that, it is not true.

You're not understanding.

Horowitz is only the Inspector General for the DOJ. His scope only included the FBI, it's opening of crossfire hurricane, it's application for the Carter Page FISA warrant and all subsequent renewals. Officially, the FBI didn't get involved until months after PapaD met Mifsud and Downer. That means the Horowitz investigation didn't extend back to the time period I'm talking about. The FBI claims they began the investigation because Downer sent them a letter outlining his experience with PapaD. As far as Horowitz's investigation is concerned, that's accurate. He says he identified no material or testimonial evidence that proved political bias in that decision. That shouldn't be extremely surprising but it doesn't speak to any of the activity that preceded the FBI's official involvement.

It's worth noting that someone else IS investigating that time frame prior to the opening of crossfire hurricane. Coincidentally, he issued a statement of disagreement with the IG's conclusion on this point. Who would've guessed? The guy with no limits on agency, time frame or scope of his investigation knows more about the bigger picture.

Yes, and in-depth combing over of a million pages of evidence demonstrated FBI lapses in procedure ... but there is NOTHING HERE that justifies these ridiculous claims being made here. There is no investigation in the HISTORY of the FBI or any other law enforcement organization that an IG couldn’t find something wrong with, and you guys know that.

This comment alone exposes you as being either ill informed on the report or willfully dishonest.

Which "ridiculous claims"? Be specific.

Are you really going with the "this is all just a bunch of procedural nonsense" argument?
The lead FBI attorney working on the Page FISA process ALTERED AN EXCULPATORY DOCUMENT and then provided it to the court. If left unaltered, it would have identified Page as a CIA informant who helped in the investigation and prosecution of russians. Not exactly the Russian spy they were wanting him to look like.

There were, I believe, roughly 50 woods violations. Some of these included lack of evidence to back up certain assertions as well as making statements to the court that were directly contradicted by evidence in the case file. They also omitted exculpatory info.

They knew the dossier was paid for by Clinton and didn't disclose it to the court.

They knew the dossier itself lacked credibility, was largely unverified and in some instances was easily proven false. Not only did they not disclose this to the court, they used it as the foundation and centerpiece for the warrant 4 TIMES, even after learning that one of steele's sources told the FBI it was bullsh!t.

Devin Nunes was vindicated? LOL ... That’s a good one. How do you figure?

What do you mean, how do I figure? I spelled it out for you pretty clearly.

Nunes told us almost all of this close to 2 years ago. Schiff had access to the same documents, yet his account completely contradicted Nunes's. Nunes's main point being that the dossier, the one everyone knew was bull# but didn't tell the court, was central to the Page FISA warrant. Naturally, the media trumpeted Schiff's version. They mocked and attacked Nunes. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you did too.

Funny part being, Nunes was right the whole time and Adam Schiff was lying his ass off.

It doesn't sound like you've really dug into this. You may want to do some more reading. Cheers

Amazingly, small (but important?) changes were made to I.G. Horowitz's FISA-abuse report today...2 days after it was published.

Apparently, former Attorney General Jeff Sessions set a "Leak Trap" that today's IG Report modifications reveal, according to:

theconservativetreehouse.com...