George Zimmerman Sue's Trayvon Martin's Family for $100 mil

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

He doesn't have to obey. The only reason anyone died is because Trayvon attacked him like a thug. If you follow me you won't have to shoot me, want to know why, I won't attack you.

He should have obeyed.
This whole situation would have been avoided, if he did.
Like he was supposed to.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

He doesn't have to obey. The only reason anyone died is because Trayvon attacked him like a thug. If you follow me you won't have to shoot me, want to know why, I won't attack you.

He should have obeyed.
This whole situation would have been avoided, if he did.
Like he was supposed to.

A persistent myth is that he followed him after he was told not to... If you look at the map, timeline, transcript that I posted you will see that what actually happened is that when Zimmerman was going to meet the police, his path took him near where Trayvon had circle around/ran away.

This was all laid out in court and supported by witnesses, timeline, locations, etc.

Zimmerman clearly is suffering from PSTD from this event. Imagine being the most hated man in America. However, he is around the wrong people. If he were smart, he'd just move to Alaska or somewhere low key and just blend in / go off grid.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

He doesn't have to obey. The only reason anyone died is because Trayvon attacked him like a thug. If you follow me you won't have to shoot me, want to know why, I won't attack you.

He should have obeyed.
This whole situation would have been avoided, if he did.
Like he was supposed to.

Sorry, the situation is avoided by Trayvon not attacking someone like a thug. You seem to be suggesting that Trayvon was such a violent dangerous person that Zimmerman should have known he would have been assaulted by Trayvon because Trayvon is incapable of controlling his violent tendencies.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I suspect you won't take the time to read it in detail...

Is there really a need to be disrespectful and rude?

Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?

(Sound of Truck Door Opening/Closing)

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. [E]

To me, this is where it all went sideways. There was no need to chase after Martin.
Especially since Zimmerman says, he suspected that Martin was running to the other entrance of the neighborhood.
(aka leaving the neighborhood)

Zimmerman is a foolish, wanna be vigilante, who stalked a teenager and got beat up for it.
That, in turn, resulted in a shooting death.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

You seem to be suggesting that Trayvon was such a violent dangerous person that Zimmerman should have known he would have been assaulted by Trayvon because Trayvon is incapable of controlling his violent tendencies.

That is the dumbest thing I have read all day.

I'm suggesting, that Zimmerman should not have chased somebody, that he himself deemed 'suspicious'

By the way, How many times in a row are you going to call him a thug?
we get it, you don't like certain teenagers in hoodies...
sheesh

originally posted by: Edumakated

A persistent myth is that he followed him after he was told not to... If you look at the map, timeline, transcript that I posted you will see that what actually happened is that when Zimmerman was going to meet the police, his path took him near where Trayvon had circle around/ran away.

I thought that myth to be true, until going over what you linked.
We can agree that he did follow/pursue him, though. The 911 begins in the car and ends down the road.
In my opinion, he made a terrible mistake that cost someone their life by doing so.

Of course, Martin should not have beat him up, but Zimmerman should not have been chasing him.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: LSU2018

Sneak attacked?
Come on.

How can someone sneak attack the very person who is following/chasing them?

If Zimmerman would have done his duties properly, no one would have been shot.
That much is undeniable.

When Zimmerman parked his truck and got out of it to walk around, Martin his behind a bush that was five steps from his dad's front door. 60+ seconds went by as he sat there and waited. Then once Zimmerman got past him, Martin jumped on Zimmerman from behind. I don't know if you listened to the trial or not, but they went into great detail. Zimmerman called 911 as instructed, and tried to keep an eye on Martin until he went inside or the police got there. Martin was absolutely the aggressor here.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

You seem to be suggesting that Trayvon was such a violent dangerous person that Zimmerman should have known he would have been assaulted by Trayvon because Trayvon is incapable of controlling his violent tendencies.

That is the dumbest thing I have read all day.

I'm suggesting, that Zimmerman should not have chased somebody, that he himself deemed 'suspicious'

By the way, How many times in a row are you going to call him a thug?
we get it, you don't like certain teenagers in hoodies...
sheesh

No one ever gets hurt by having someone walk behind them.

Hoodies don't make you a thug, violently assaulting someone for no reason does.

I get it, he's black so he can't be held responsible for being violent in your eyes. No matter how many times you say something different this entire situation occurred because an assault happened, an assault Trayvon initiated for no valid reason.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

I get it, he's black so he can't be held responsible for being violent in your eyes.

Not true.
Why would you even think that?
Projecting?

a reply to: LSU2018

Fair to call Martin the aggressor of the attack, absolutely.
My point, is that the whole thing should have been avoided, by Zimmerman not pursuing.
He had already done his duty. His mistake led to vigilante justice, for a crime that was not even committed.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

I get it, he's black so he can't be held responsible for being violent in your eyes.

Not true.
Why would you even think that?
Projecting?

So we agree he was the violent one and the only one responsible. Following someone does not cause harm or injury, violently attacking someone does.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

We agree that the was the violent one, for sure.
Not the only one responsible, though.

It all could have been avoided. That starts with Zimmerman.

a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I know. Both could have avoided this all together. In my opinion, once Zimmerman was attacked from behind, he became the victim. He wasn't out looking for a fight. Martin had a chip on his shoulder, that was his problem, his attitude. He was a juvenile delinquent and a thief. He lived by the street and died by the street, no different than the people who get shot down in Chicago every week. We'd never know this guy's name if Zimmerman was a different color. I don't know if you'll remember this or not, but once the news said Zimmerman was Hispanic and not white, the drama and the story disappeared.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

We agree that the was the violent one, for sure.
Not the only one responsible, though.

It all could have been avoided. That starts with Zimmerman.

Driving down the street does not make me responsible when someone road rages and hits my car because I was driving behind them.

There is no crime in following someone you believe is suspicious while waiting for the cops to get there. In fact I did it just the other day when I was behind someone I thought was driving drunk. The only criminal is Trayvon.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I know. Both could have avoided this all together. In my opinion, once Zimmerman was attacked from behind, he became the victim. He wasn't out looking for a fight. Martin had a chip on his shoulder, that was his problem, his attitude. He was a juvenile delinquent and a thief. He lived by the street and died by the street, no different than the people who get shot down in Chicago every week. We'd never know this guy's name if Zimmerman was a different color. I don't know if you'll remember this or not, but once the news said Zimmerman was Hispanic and not white, the drama and the story disappeared.

Not here. They kept calling him White the whole time.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

We agree that the was the violent one, for sure.
Not the only one responsible, though.

It all could have been avoided. That starts with Zimmerman.

Both of them were idiots.

I think Zimmerman should have just approached Trayvon and simply stated he was neighborhood watch and didn't recognize Trayvon. Trayvon may have just stated he was staying at a certain unit and it would have been the end of it. Trayvon could have just as easily approached Zimmerman and been like "WTF you following me around..." Regardless, neither party actually talked to each other to assess the situation.

Neither did that...

With that said, given the complex had been recently burglarized multiple times, Zimmerman may have been afraid, so I can kind of see why he may not have wanted to confront someone suspicious but observe them and call police, which is exactly what he did.

At the end of the day, Trayvon is at fault. Just because someone may be following you, looking at you wrong, or whatever, does not give you the right to sneak attack MMA pound them.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I know. Both could have avoided this all together. In my opinion, once Zimmerman was attacked from behind, he became the victim. He wasn't out looking for a fight. Martin had a chip on his shoulder, that was his problem, his attitude. He was a juvenile delinquent and a thief. He lived by the street and died by the street, no different than the people who get shot down in Chicago every week. We'd never know this guy's name if Zimmerman was a different color. I don't know if you'll remember this or not, but once the news said Zimmerman was Hispanic and not white, the drama and the story disappeared.

Not here. They kept calling him White the whole time.

Yeah, the media initially tried to make it out to seem like he was white.. jewish at first because of his last name. Then it was discovered he was Hispanic and they tried to save face with that "White Hispanic" bullsh*t....

Then it came out he had a black girlfriend at one time. Did a lot of community work as well. None of the racist angle actually stuck.

a reply to: Edumakated

Zimmerman was definitely dumb. Stupid is not a crime. The reason you don't follow people is because if they are a criminal as you fear, they may attack you, which is what happened.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I thought they stopped talking about it... I know for a fact that the NBPP withdrew the bounty they had for him.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I thought they stopped talking about it... I know for a fact that the NBPP withdrew the bounty they had for him.

I live in an area with a large black population. People here literally wouldn't even believe me when I told them he was not white, because it was all over the TV he was white the whole time. CNN and MSNBC.